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Any evidence of Bp Fellay in Roman Rota?
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  • From Fr. Chazal --
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    Bishop Fellay as an assessor in the Roman Rota
    In my conversation with Dr Dollera, i mentioned bishop Fellay as a member of the Roman rotten Rota.
    How can we prove that?
    If it is true, it means they are more involved with the novus ordo than before, and this whole Kabuki theater with Fernandez is just that.
    You can perhaps ask the forum what proof there is. It would be useful.
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    Re: Any evidence of Bp Fellay in Roman Rota?
    « Reply #1 on: Yesterday at 01:29:57 AM »
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  • From Fr. Chazal --
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    Bishop Fellay as an assessor in the Roman Rota
    In my conversation with Dr Dollera, i mentioned bishop Fellay as a member of the Roman rotten Rota.
    How can we prove that?
    If it is true, it means they are more involved with the novus ordo than before, and this whole Kabuki theater with Fernandez is just that.
    You can perhaps ask the forum what proof there is. It would be useful.
    In Iesu et Maria,
    Fc+
    +fellay admits this on video, see beginning of this clip, he states "the congregation of the faith appoints me as judge"

    In video description says: See also : "Vatican confirms appointment of Bp. Fellay to judge SSPX priests" : https://web.archive.org/web/20150804071437/https://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/the-vatican/detail/articolo/lefebvriani-lefebvrians-lefebvrianos-41514/



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    Re: Any evidence of Bp Fellay in Roman Rota?
    « Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 07:37:49 AM »
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  • If this is indeed the case, then it is one more reason the SSPX cannot be considered "schismatic", even by Newchurch standards.  Just as you don't give schismatics faculties, neither do you appoint their bishops to the Roman Rota.

    If Rome proclaims latae sententiae excommunication of Fellay et al in July, I would assume he will lose this job.  The faculties are probably also in jeopardy, at least for the bishops involved (as I understand it, LS excommunication wouldn't percolate down to SSPX priests, in that they aren't the ones doing the consecrating, nor are they receiving it aside from the priests chosen to be consecrated).

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    Re: Any evidence of Bp Fellay in Roman Rota?
    « Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 11:26:58 AM »
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  • It was common knowledge in 2015:
    Excerpt:


    Catholic World News
    Vatican names Bishop Fellay to hear canonical charge against SSPX priest, despite bishop's suspension

    June 04, 2015
    Bishop Bernard Fellay, the head(...) Society of St. Pius X (SSPX), reports that he has been appointed by the Vatican as judge in the canonical trial of an SSPX priest.
    Bishop Fellay observed that the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which handles serious accusations against clerics, named him to hear the case although he is suspended from active ministry and the Vatican does not recognize the SSPX. It is “a beautiful contradiction indeed,” he said.

      The Vatican’s decision to give Bishop Fellay canonical jurisdiction in the case could also be seen as a sign that the Holy See continues to hope for reconciliation of the SSPX. Archbishop Guido Pozzo, the secretary of the Ecclesia Dei commission, told Vatican Insider: “I see no contradiction here, but rather a step toward reconciliation.”

    Fr. Matthew Salenave would know first hand if +F has that faculty from Rome...He was tried by some type of judges from neoSSPX .  They used the 1983 Code ie. condemn without proof required.

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    And when in 2024 AD. they send a priest to the Golden Prison, well, isn't that approved by Rome too? Interesting question.

    https://www.cathinfo.com/members-only/neosspx-condemns-a-priest-to-golden-prison-july-2024-a-d/msg974017/#msg974017
    ( I could probably find that link / reference if you really need it)
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    https://www.cath.ch/newsf/le-vatican-mandate-mgr-fellay-pour-juger-un-pretre-lefebvriste/
    Vatican mandates Bishop Fellay to judge lefebvrist priest.

    AI translation: unofficial

    Rome, June 5, 2015 (Apic) The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) has mandated Bishop Bernard Fellay, Superior of the Schismatic Fraternity St-Pie-X (FSSPX), a trial judge for the trial of a lefebvrist priest accused of serious crime.
    Bishop Fellay himself announced the news, during a sermon in California, last May, reports on June 3, 2015 the website “Vatican Insider”. The Valais bishop presented the fact as an example of the Holy See’s “contradictions” regarding his relations with the Separate Brotherhood of Rome since 1988.

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    Note Vatican Insider  web didn't work for me.

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    Re: Any evidence of Bp Fellay in Roman Rota?
    « Reply #4 on: Yesterday at 08:18:06 PM »
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  • From Fr. Chazal --
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    Bishop Fellay as an assessor in the Roman Rota
    In my conversation with Dr Dollera, i mentioned bishop Fellay as a member of the Roman rotten Rota.
    How can we prove that?
    If it is true, it means they are more involved with the novus ordo than before, and this whole Kabuki theater with Fernandez is just that.
    You can perhaps ask the forum what proof there is. It would be useful.
    In Iesu et Maria,
    Fc+

    I posted on CathInfo the Gloria TV interview with Mr. James Bogle, a lawyer and previous head of Una Voce Int. In the interview, very sympathetic to the SSPX, Mr. Bogle said that Bishop Fellay told him that he was a Judge of the Roman Rota and that he personally contacted the Roman Rota and they confirmed it. A few hours later, that statement by Mr. Bogle had been cut from the video but In the comments below the video someone quoted Mr. Bogle saying that. Now,all the links to the interview have been taken down.

    It is very simple, Mr. Bogle can be contacted directly and asked. I will try to find the thread where I posted the transcript with the video interview. In the meantime, I remember clearly a statement by Bishop Fellay about being allowed to judge his own priests. It would not be hard to find.
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    Re: Any evidence of Bp Fellay in Roman Rota?
    « Reply #5 on: Yesterday at 08:36:47 PM »
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  • I found This:


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    https://gloria.tv/post/UQSBkni1bnxe32f4NhJHwXocM


    Pope Francis Has Fully Regularized the SSPX - James Bogle
    Aug 5, 2019

    Pope Francis has fully regularized the Society of St Pius X (SSPX), James Bogle, the ex-president of Una Voce International, told Gloria.tv (video below).

    Bogle stressed that the SSPX and the sacraments administrated by them, including marriages and confessions, have been formally recognized by Francis. The Society is also allowed to ordain to the priesthood whomever they see fit.

    Francis further appointed SSPX Bishop Bernard Fellay as a judge at the Rota Romana, the highest appellate tribunal of the Church, thus recognizing his authority.

    "I don't see how much more regular you can get than that," Bogle concludes. He acknowledges, however, that there are a lot of intolerant bishops who still treat the SSPX as if it were irregular.

    To them, Bogle answers that those who do not like the integration of the SSPX "better have the argument with Pope Francis."

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    Re: Any evidence of Bp Fellay in Roman Rota?
    « Reply #6 on: Yesterday at 08:57:41 PM »
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  • Here is the comment I mentioned from the article:


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    https://gloria.tv/post/UQSBkni1bnxe32f4NhJHwXocM
    Ray Sunshine's quote of Mr. Bogle exactly what I heard in the video interview:

    Aug 18, 2019
    Ray Sunshine
    Bishop Fellay told me himself in May 2015 and I confirmed it with the Rota.
    You seem to be saying here that Bishop Fellay has now been one of the judges ("Uditori") of the Rota Romana for over four years. Have I understood you correctly?


    Oct 18, 2019
    James Bogle
    No. He has been appointed by Pope Francis a first instance tribunal judge to handle SSPX cases. The very great significance of this is that it means the Pope recognises SSPX marriages since, if he did not, he could not appoint Bishop Fellay (or anyone) to preside, as a judge, over SSPX matrimonial cases. If the marriages were never valid in the first place then there would



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    Re:James Bogle, Gloria TV, Any evidence of Bp Fellay in Roman Rota?
    « Reply #7 on: Yesterday at 09:20:04 PM »
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  • Sorry if there is an overlap..but for the sake of the timeline:

    https://gloria.tv/post/UQSBkni1bnxe32f4NhJHwXocM/replies

    Aug 5, 2019
    Pope Francis Has Fully Regularized the SSPX - James Bogle
    Pope Francis has fully regularized the Society of St Pius X (SSPX), James Bogle, the ex-president of Una Voce International, told Gloria.tv (video below).
    Bogle stressed that the SSPX and the sacraments administrated by them, including marriages and confessions, have been formally recognized by Francis. The Society is also allowed to ordain to the priesthood whomever they see fit.
    Francis further appointed SSPX Bishop Bernard Fellay as a judge at the Rota Romana, the highest appellate tribunal of the Church, thus recognizing his authority.
    "I don't see how much more regular you can get than that," Bogle concludes. He acknowledges, however, that there are a lot of intolerant bishops who still treat the SSPX as if it were irregular.
    To them, Bogle answers that those who do not like the integration of the SSPX "better have the argument with Pope Francis."
    #newsDoikpjaqer

    James Bogle
    Aug 6, 2019
    Bishop Fellay told me himself in May 2015 and I confirmed it with the CDF. SSPX has not chosen to publicise it doubtless because of those who would use it merely to disparage.

    James Bogle
    Oct 18, 2019
    No. He has been appointed by Pope Francis a first instance tribunal judge to handle SSPX cases. The very great significance of this is that it means the Pope recognises SSPX marriages since, if he did not, he could not appoint Bishop Fellay (or anyone) to preside, as a judge, over SSPX matrimonial cases. If the marriages were never valid in the first place then there would be nothing to judge or annul.



    James Bogle
    Mar 17, 2021
    No need to be sorry - it is a complex subject often unnecessarily obfuscated by prelates with secondary motives. The docuмents issued by Pope Francis recognising SSPX confessions, and appointing Bishop Fellay a judge legally imply regularization when added to the still valid docuмent formally establishing the Society in 1970. So - there are docuмents but one does not legally require a docuмent to state - baldly - "you are regularised" for that nevertheless to be the case. The other pontifical docuмents already imply it...

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    Re: Any evidence of Bp Fellay in Roman Rota?
    « Reply #8 on: Yesterday at 10:10:14 PM »
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  • It is interesting that Bishop Fellay told Mr. Bogle he was a judge of the Roman Rota in "May 2015" because the SSPX was regularized "In Argentina" April 13, 2015, just the month before. According to the Legal analysis by the Argentinian lawyer, it is impossible to be regularized in Argentina and not in the rest of the world and that it would have required the signature of Menzingen. We also know from the multiple statements from the Vatican Cardinals that "regularization" could not be done without the signing of the "Doctrinal Preamble" rejected by ABL which consists of the new (JPII's) "Profession of faith and the Oath of Fidelity to the Pope".

    That has to be another secret of +Fellay that involves the Argentinian members (+de Galarreta, Fr. Bouchacourt and Fr. Pagliarani) who had to be familiar with Argentinian Law because they were either Argentinian or resided there for a long time. The same trio that became the new leadership ratified by Rome and friendly with Bergoglio as AB of Buenos Aires.

    It is time for SSPX members to ask +Fellay, When did you sign the "Doctrinal Preamble? And demand an answer. After all, he Kept
    GREC secret for a long time.
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    Re: Any evidence of Bp Fellay in Roman Rota?
    « Reply #9 on: Today at 12:04:56 AM »
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  • Now that I think of it, this whole consecration drama might be just the right occasion for them to become officially and explicitly recognized by the Modernists.

    Publicizing the deal with a cartoonish ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ such as Tucho will be the icing on the cake.

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    Re: Any evidence of Bp Fellay in Roman Rota?
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  • Here is + Fellay speaking about this privilege he had,  Sept 3, 2018 - short Video :

    https://www.cathinfo.com/the-library/sept-3-2018-conference-by-sspx-bishop-4-min-video-st-joseph-priory-phili/

    TIMESTAMP 1:43

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    That day was the Great Feast of St.Pius X, from what I can see...So, did he still retain this arrangement when he was no longer the Superior General? (July 11, 2018)
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