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Another leaked Docuмent
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2012, 04:15:01 PM »
Don't forget that when Scripture speaks of fornication or adultery or unfaithfulness
in regards to the practice of religion or the priest of the Church, it is saying that
any corruption of the Faith or corroboration with false religions or "serving of idols"
is the unfaithfulness tantamount to adultery. One is unfaithfulness to one's spouse
and to God in the sight of God, the other is unfaithfulness to God directly and in
His face, as it were, an open insult to the Highest Almighty in His presence. The
analogy of a brothel, then is perfectly appropriate.

In years to come we will look back and see how we should have recognized this
opportunity to make some improvements. It all depends on us now; what will we
do? Fr. is one priest. He is doing what he can with what he has to work with. Do
you think he should somehow be doing more? The Menzingen-denizens have been
caught knocking at the door of the unfaithful NewRome, where the unclean spirit
of Vatican II reigns supreme, where the Faith of our Fathers is subject to spiritual
prostitution,
and the door was opened, but they would not allow a transaction to
take place ............. yet.

Tell me, for where the good Father was reluctant to draw the necessary conclusion,
I won't be so restrained: if you were that man's wife, the man who tried to do a
"deal" with the prostitutes, and you heard about his charade, would you be then
eager to trust your husband in what he says about the failed "attempt at a deal?"

Are we going to just sit on our laurels and wait for the next attempt? Are we going
to repeat the mantra, "EGBOK, EGBOK, EGBOK?" Are we going to presume that
our virtue consists in remaining "faithful" to what they would lead you to believe is
the same Society founded by the holy Archbishop who left it in the hands of a
mixed bag of priests, some of whom apparently had ulterior motives? Or, are we
forbidden from accepting the notion that anything could be wrong here?

Speaking of "cracking open a book," you ought to crack open AA-1025 the
Memoirs of an Anti-Apostle
, by Marie Carre; TAN Books, $6 each, 5 @ $4 each,
100 @ $3 each.

About 20 years ago, I met Protestants who asked me, with trepidation, if there
was any problem going on in the Catholic Church. For them, you see, they might
be unwilling to be Catholic, but they still claim to be Christian, and they take
comfort from being assured that Everything's Going to Be O. K. in the great,
unassailable megalith institution. They derive stability by proxy, so to say, they
borrow their peace of mind from afar, and without permission, as it were. I told
them that yes, there is a big problem in the Catholic Church, and they were
distraught. Today, if I were to tell them that there is a big problem in the SSPX,
they wouldn't know what I'm talking about. Too many Catholics I speak to don't
know what the SSPX is.

I'm sorry but too many Catholics today remind me of those Protestants of 20
years ago. Because when I tell them there is something wrong in the SSPX, they
go into shell-shock. They grope at possible explanations for how I must be mis-
informed. They blame it on the unreliability of the Internet. Actually, I've got to
hand it to the Protestants, because they took the bad news 20 years ago at face
value. At least they didn't murmur (as far as I knew at the time) that no, no, it
couldn't be so.



Another leaked Docuмent
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2012, 06:21:10 PM »
Neil Obstat, you will not disagree there is a lot of chicanery going on right now as the devil wants to seek, kill and destroy.  He always has.  I have a disdain for so called leaked docuмents.  Some in the fight take zeal in producing fresh meat for forums to feed on.  This is not an emotional battle, but a spiritual one however emotions can get the best of us all.  If Pablo says this letter is genuine at is stands and was written by Fr. Pfeiffer himself, so be it.  Given the docuмent as it was posted, I believe it to be phony, a compilation, call it what you will.  My opinion.  


Another leaked Docuмent
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2012, 01:04:56 AM »
Quote from: Nickolas
Neil Obstat, you will not disagree there is a lot of chicanery going on right now as the devil wants to seek, kill and destroy.  He always has.  I have a disdain for so called leaked docuмents.  Some in the fight take zeal in producing fresh meat for forums to feed on.  This is not an emotional battle, but a spiritual one however emotions can get the best of us all.  If Pablo says this letter is genuine at is stands and was written by Fr. Pfeiffer himself, so be it.  Given the docuмent as it was posted, I believe it to be phony, a compilation, call it what you will.  My opinion.  



Nickolas, I have no doubts that people seem to have a heightened inclination to
sin lately, as if the devil is in overdrive, racing toward the finish line, so to speak.

As regards this letter, I regret it does not have more credibility. There must be an
explanation, but at least for now, we don't have it. We could waste a lot of time
with speculation, but to what purpose? That could be the source of more spinoff
rumors. What we do know is that Frs. Pfeiffer and Chazal are both in quasi-exile, a
sort of quarantine within the priory at Manila, reduced to saying Mass on the street
because they're forbidden from saying Mass in the SSPX chapels. And, at least so
far, the faithful have not invited them into their homes to say Mass. The
Menzingen-denizens are terrorizing the faithful into non-support of these good
priests! So they are not able to openly say what they want to say, which would
include this letter's contents. As a private letter to a private person (Mrs. XXXXX),
however, it cannot be pinned specifically to Fr. Pfeiffer, as it could be getting
around by some kind of mistake. No? There we go with speculation again.



There is something else to support my previous post's message about faithfulness:

Don't forget that when Scripture speaks of fornication or adultery or unfaithfulness
in regards to the practice of religion or the priest of the Church, it is saying that
any corruption of the Faith or corroboration with false religions or "serving of idols"
is the unfaithfulness tantamount to adultery. One is unfaithfulness to one's spouse
and to God in the sight of God, the other is unfaithfulness to God directly and in
His face, as it were, an open insult to the Highest Almighty in His presence. The
analogy of a brothel, then is perfectly appropriate.

In years to come we will look back and see how we should have recognized this
opportunity to make some improvements. It all depends on us now; what will we
do? Fr. is one priest. He is doing what he can with what he has to work with. Do
you think he should somehow be doing more? The Menzingen-denizens have been
caught knocking at the door of the unfaithful NewRome, where the unclean spirit
of Vatican II reigns supreme, where the Faith of our Fathers is subject to spiritual
prostitution,
and the door was opened, but they would not allow a transaction to
take place ............. yet.

Tell me, for where the good Father was reluctant to draw the necessary conclusion,
I won't be so restrained: if you were that man's wife, the man who tried to do a
"deal" with the prostitutes, and you heard about his charade, would you be then
eager to trust your husband in what he says about the failed "attempt at a deal?"


What did ABL have to say about this?





Did Archbishop Lefebvre question the validity of the  new rites of Mass, ordination
and episcopal consecration?

1. “This union which liberal Catholics want between the Church and the Revolution
is an adulterous union – adulterous. This adulterous union can only beget bastards.
Where are these bastards? They are [the new] rites. The [new] rite of Mass is a  
bastard rite. The sacraments are bastard sacraments. We no longer know whether
they are sacraments that give grace. We no longer know if this Mass gives us the  
Body and the Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ. (…) The priests emerging from the
seminaries are bastard priests.” (Homily preached at Lille, August 29, 1976, before a
crowd of some 12,000)

2. “If we think that this reformed liturgy is heretical and invalid, whether because of
modifications made in the matter and form or because of the reformers’ intention
inscribed in the new rite in opposition to the intention of the Catholic Church, evidently
we cannot  participate in these reformed rites because we should be taking part in a  
sacrilegious act. This opinion is founded on serious reasons…” (Ecône, February 24,
1977, Answers to Various Burning Questions)

3. “The  radical and extensive changes made in the Roman Rite of the Holy Sacrifice
of  the Mass and their resemblance to the modifications made by Luther oblige
Catholics who remain loyal to their faith to question the validity of this new rite. Who
better than the Reverend Father Guérard des Lauriers to make an informed
contribution to resolving this problem…?” (Foreword contributed to a book in favor of
the thesis of invalidity by Fr Guérard des Lauriers. Écône, February 2, 1977)

4. Moreover, Archbishop Lefebvre personally conditionally re-ordained many priests
who had been ordained in the 1968 rite and re-confirmed those purportedly confirmed
in the new rite or by the new bishops.



Another leaked Docuмent
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2012, 01:42:02 AM »


Nickolas, you really ought to take a gander at this other letter from Fr. Pfeiffer to

Fr. Couture. It has some of the same typos as this one to Mrs. XXXXX:


http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Father-Joseph-Pfeiffer-letter

Another leaked Docuмent
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2012, 09:36:31 AM »
Neil Obstat, I appreciate the effort and your hard work on this forum.  Thank you.