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Pablo · « **on:** September 17, 2012, 01:02:47 PM »

Dear Mrs. XXXXX,

The problem with the neo-SSPX is twofold. 1. A doctrinal neo-modernist shift, or doctrinal slide, combined with a consequent moral slide so that SSPX teaching and praxis are now prevelantly very different than 10 or more years ago. and 2. The determination to agree to be under modernist Rome's authority if modernist Rome meets 3 of the 6 lame conditions of the General Chapter 2012. The 2nd problem is the one seemingly on hold for now, Why? because of Rome's non-acquiescence at present to SSPX bad conditions. Hence, no change of SSPX problem number two.---that still remains the same. "we haven't signed the deal." True, but why not? Answer because Rome won't let us. ( It is like a man visiting a brothel house but returns home without commintting Adultery. (Good?) but why, because the prostitutes wouldn't accept his money. (Holy husband?)

The 1st Problem is the essential one from which the 2nd is only a consequence. This 1st problem has been developing over at least 12 years in the SSPX and grows daily. E.g. Married man is encouraged by SSPX priest to separate from wife. (Modernist advice.), Many SSPX priest now promote NFP to many couples without grave reasons commanded by Pius XII. In France, SSPX priests (some are using Luminous Mysteries) and also doing marriages mixed with Indult and SSPX priest together. Some SSPX priests now say that it is OK to attend indult/Summorum Pontificuм Masses. SSPX pulpits in recent years almost never condemn the errors of Vatican II and the New Mass. Our Apostolic way is now cruel, cold, indifferent to the needs and cares of the flock much like the present norm of Novus Ordo parishes. Most Importantly, However, the official organs of SSPX such as Dici.org, and sspx.org are now promoting the "good things" coming out of Vatican and Modernist Rome without correction or Catholic Commentary. Bishop Fellay's comments of the last several months excuse Vatican II of real error and heresy. Now VII only is twisted into heretical meanings by the bad guys after the Council. etc. etc. etc. and no longer heresy itself as we used to teach in the days of Archbishop Lefebvre.

On the Negative side, if there is no change in SSPX teaching, then why are those of us priests (about 50) who have spoken to our flocks openly about the grave dangers of Compromise with Rome and the death of Catholic Faith in our flock that would result from a false merger, still being silenced and or expelled? Why continue to command our silence about a deal that isn't going to happen anyway? Maybe it is because Menzingen still intends a deal with Rome and needs to purge the remainder of the strong opposition against the deal, so that it can proceed forward in the near future with such a deal? I am still commanded to remain silent on criticizing a deal with Rome or anything related to such a deal. This silence includes not only direct criticism but also anything that may be perceived to be critical. Why keep myself and the other priests silent, if they now agree with us that there should be no deal with Rome?

I am now forbidden even to celebrate private Masses in any of our Churches in my District of Asia. Fr. Couture instructed the priests of the Philippines to refuse Fr. Chazal and myself absolution, if we go to confession to them. They must have recourse to Bishop Fellay to absolve us. (Bishop Fellay has no jurisdiction and cannot give it to them anyway). I write you now from my quarenteened Library in our house in Manila. Another priest is in the Atrium working on his computer, lest he catch the contagion of being in the presence of a Leper like myself. We cannot eat meals with the priests in the refectory--but out of charity they bring food to us in our place of confinement. The brothers of the house are instructed not to speak with us. The back of the Church has a notice of our "self expulsion" because of our presence here. Is all this a sign of reconcilliation, peace and harmony? The priests, with one exception do not wish to speak to us. These priests are our SSPX confreres.

Fr. Chazal and I are not upset at these things. We are at peace. However, they are signs that our confreres are agitated, and not at peace themselves. Christ said "do good to those who hate you." These are signs to us that the problems of our Society which we love with all our hearts are not diminishing at this time. Hence, we must continue to speak out under the banner of Our Holy Mother Mary, upon whose protection we wholly depend,

in Christ,

Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer

Columba · « **Reply #1 on:** September 17, 2012, 01:19:34 PM »

Quote from: Pablo

I write you now from my quarenteened Library in our house in Manila.

Fr. Pfeiffer resides at his Philippines priory and is not AWOL in Boston, KY as alleged by his detractors. Will they still insist on his expulsion for daring to speak the truth?

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #2 on:** September 17, 2012, 03:18:57 PM »

My apologies, for I found other things I would like to see how they look here, so
don't think this is unnecessary duplication, it's just proofing the copy, as they say....

If you must delete one or the other, I think the other would be less missed...

I'm pretty excited about this letter because it goes directly to the problem that
I have been facing with my friends who are reluctant to face these issues. Here
we have a short list of the doctrinal and practical compromises that have been
creeping into Society chapels worldwide, at a slow rate, such that they are not
perceived. I have some friends who are model traditionalists who have made
excuses to me over any individual, specific accretions in rubrics since the 40's
for example, and my reply to them is that any one of these, alone might not seem
like a big deal, but if you accept one, and then another and then another, pretty
soon you have a big pile of changes, and voila! a new religion is born!!!

Can someone please let me know if I can make a PDF of this letter to print out
and give to a few friends who really need to see it? I think I know people who are
a lot like "Mrs. 5X" (Is she really that HUGE?? hahahahahaha). I have made a few
typo corrections so have a look and let me know, okay?

:reporter: :drillsergeant: :whistleblower:

September 16th, 2012, Sixteenth Sunday after Pentecost, Manila, Philippines
[Is this date correct?]

Dear Mrs. XXXXX,

The problem with the neo-SSPX is twofold.
1. A doctrinal neo-modernist shift, or doctrinal slide, combined with a consequent moral slide so that SSPX teaching and praxis are now [prevalently] very different than 10 or more years ago, and,
2. The determination to agree to be under modernist Rome's authority if modernist Rome meets 3 of the 6 lame conditions of the General Chapter 2012.

The 2nd problem is the one seemingly on hold for now. Why? Because of Rome's non-acquiescence at present to SSPX bad conditions. Hence, no change of SSPX problem number two --- that still remains the same: "We haven't signed the deal." True, but why not? Answer: because Rome won't let us. {It's like a man visiting a brothel house but returns home without [committing] adultery: (Good, no?) But why did he not? Because, the prostitutes wouldn't accept his money! (Holy husband?!?!)}

The 1st Problem is the essential one from which the 2nd is only a consequence. This 1st problem has been developing over at least 12 years in the SSPX and grows daily. E.g..,

A married man is encouraged by an SSPX priest to separate from his wife. (Modernist advice.)

Many SSPX priests now promote NFP to many couples without grave reasons commanded by Pius XII. [Citation needed]

In France, SSPX priests (some are using Luminous Mysteries) and also doing marriages mixed with Indult and SSPX priest together. [Is this a concelebrated Novus Ordo service, or what??]

Some SSPX priests now say that it's OK to attend indult/Summorum Pontificuм Masses.

SSPX pulpits in recent years almost never condemn the errors of Vatican II and the New Mass.

Our Apostolic way is now cruel, cold, indifferent to the needs and cares of the flock, much like the present norm of Novus Ordo parishes.

Most Importantly, however, the official organs of SSPX -- such as Dici.org, and sspx.org, are now promoting the "good things" coming out of Vatican and Modernist Rome, without correction or Catholic Commentary.

Bishop Fellay's comments of the last several months excuse Vatican II of real error and heresy.

Now Vat.II is only "twisted into heretical meanings by the bad guys after the Council," etc., etc., etc., and no longer heresy itself, as we used to teach in the days of Archbishop Lefebvre.

On the Negative side, if there is no change in SSPX teaching, then why are those of us priests (about 50) who have spoken to our flocks openly about the grave dangers of Compromise with Rome and the death of Catholic Faith in our flock that would result from a false merger, still being silenced and or expelled?

Why continue to command our silence about a deal that isn't going to happen anyway?

Maybe it is because Menzingen still intends a deal with Rome and needs to purge the remainder of the strong opposition against the deal, so that it can proceed forward in the near future with such a deal?

I am still commanded to remain silent on criticizing a deal with Rome or anything related to such a deal.

This silence includes not only direct criticism but also anything that may be perceived to be critical.

Why keep myself and the other priests silent, if they now agree with us that there should be no deal with Rome?

I am now forbidden even to celebrate private Masses in any of our Churches in my District of Asia.
Fr. Couture instructed the priests of the Philippines to refuse Fr. Chazal and myself absolution, if we go to confession to them.
They must have recourse to Bishop Fellay to absolve us. (Bishop Fellay has no jurisdiction and cannot give it to them anyway).
I write you now from my [quarantined] Library in our house in Manila.
Another priest is in the Atrium working on his computer, lest he catch the contagion of being in the presence of a Leper like myself.
We cannot eat meals with the priests in the refectory---but out of charity they bring food to us in our place of confinement.
The brothers of the house are instructed not to speak with us.
The back of the Church has a notice of our "self expulsion" because of our presence here.
Is all this a sign of [reconciliation], peace and harmony?
The priests, with one exception, do not wish to speak to us. These priests are our SSPX confreres.

Fr. Chazal and I are not upset at these things. We are at peace. However, they are signs that our confreres are agitated, and not at peace themselves. Christ said, "Do good to those who hate you." These are signs to us that the problems of our Society which we love with all our hearts are not diminishing at this time. Hence, we must continue to speak out under the banner of Our Holy Mother Mary, upon whose protection we wholly depend,

in Christ,

Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #3 on:** September 17, 2012, 04:38:48 PM »

For clarification, I would like to say a few things about this letter, and about the
two different versions I have offered to make a PDF for, so members can print it
out:

This dynamic letter contains a very crucial distinction that is key to understanding
our current situation. Fr. Pfeiffer is a student of St. Thomas Aquinas, and he is
familiar with the overriding principle, "We distinguish but we do not separate." It
gives me great joy to see this principle in action here to great potency and
promising effect. We shall see, however.

The distinction of which I speak is his points 1. and 2. at the beginning. It is a
two-fold problem, and we tend to be focused on the second part, but that second
part is merely a consequence of the first part, and it is therefore the first part
that is the real problem. It is the problem that the vast majority of Trad Catholics
on planet earth right now are reluctant to acknowledge. I had been noticing this
reality as I have been going around talking to others about it, which I am wont
to do anyway, and this curious, quasi-deliberate pollyanna outlook was bothersome
to me. But that was before I understood where it comes from. Now, thanks to Fr.
Pfeiffer, I am starting to get a real grasp of the situation. But I'm just starting.

I'm missing a lot of details, and I suppose that's partially my own fault for I have
not been prone to pay attention to all the half-baked bad news stories going on.

But Fr. gives us a short list of these:

The 1st Problem is the essential one from which the 2nd is only a consequence. This 1st problem has been developing over at least 12 years in the SSPX and grows daily. E.g..,

A married man is encouraged by an SSPX priest to separate from his wife. (Modernist advice.)

Many SSPX priests now promote NFP to many couples without grave reasons commanded by Pius XII. [Citation needed]

In France, SSPX priests (some are using Luminous Mysteries) and also doing marriages mixed with Indult and SSPX priest together. [Is this a concelebrated Novus Ordo service, or what??]

Some SSPX priests now say that it's OK to attend Indult/Summorum Pontificuм Masses.

SSPX pulpits in recent years almost never condemn the errors of Vatican II and the New Mass.

Our Apostolic way is now cruel, cold and indifferent to the needs and cares of the flock, much like the present norm of Novus Ordo parishes.

Most Importantly, however, the official organs of SSPX -- such as Dici.org, and sspx.org, are now promoting the "good things" coming out of the Vatican and Modernist Rome, without correction or Catholic Commentary.

Bishop Fellay's comments of the last several months excuse Vatican II of real error and heresy.

Now Vat.II is only "twisted into heretical meanings by the bad guys after the Council," etc., etc., etc., and no longer heresy itself, as we used to teach in the days of Archbishop Lefebvre.

[please forgive my notes in brackets, but I need resolutions to these notes]

Secondly, I would like to point out how it is much easier to refer to and discuss
and think about the various sentences above in this list when the items are
separated into mini-paragraphs of their own, instead of in a block of text as
follows:

Quote

The 1st Problem is the essential one from which the 2nd is only a consequence. This 1st problem has been developing over at least 12 years in the SSPX and grows daily. E.g. Married man is encouraged by SSPX priest to separate from wife. (Modernist advice.), Many SSPX priest now promote NFP to many couples without grave reasons commanded by Pius XII. In France, SSPX priests (some are using Luminous Mysteries) and also doing marriages mixed with Indult and SSPX priest together. Some SSPX priests now say that it is OK to attend indult/Summorum Pontificuм Masses. SSPX pulpits in recent years almost never condemn the errors of Vatican II and the New Mass. Our Apostolic way is now cruel, cold, indifferent to the needs and cares of the flock much like the present norm of Novus Ordo parishes. Most Importantly, However, the official organs of SSPX such as Dici.org, and sspx.org are now promoting the "good things" coming out of Vatican and Modernist Rome without correction or Catholic Commentary. Bishop Fellay's comments of the last several months excuse Vatican II of real error and heresy. Now VII only is twisted into heretical meanings by the bad guys after the Council. etc. etc. etc. and no longer heresy itself as we used to teach in the days of Archbishop Lefebvre.

Tell me, how would you compare, for example, the practice of SSPX priests and
Indult priests together, conducting a marriage ceremony, with the changed outlook
on what is "coming out of the Vatican" these days, by looking at this block-text
paragraph directly above, which is what Pablo produced here?

Don't get me wrong, I do not fault Pablo for this format, because he is doing a
great thing by providing the material. I'm asking if anyone is like me here and
would like to see a more expanded view in this letter.

magdalena · « **Reply #4 on:** September 17, 2012, 07:03:32 PM »

It's an incredible letter. And Fr. Pfeiffer sees things so clearly. We must thank the dear Lord for the priests of the "resistance", and pray that we are sent more such priests for the salvation of souls.

:cry: