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Offline Incredulous

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« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2013, 12:37:13 PM »
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  • To get back on the topic,
    Does anyone know if Bp. Fellay sent ExSPX representative(s) to WYD ?

    The purpose would be for diplomatic dialogue, of course.

    If that occurred, it would be a bombshell in the making.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    « Reply #16 on: August 01, 2013, 10:51:30 PM »
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  • Quote from: Incredulous
    To get back on the topic,
    Does anyone know if Bp. Fellay sent ExSPX representative(s) to WYD ?

    The purpose would be for diplomatic dialogue, of course.

    If that occurred, it would be a bombshell in the making.



    For +F to send a delegation - or even ONE - priest to WYD,
    would be equivalent to the UN sending a panel - or a delegate -
    to the ZOO to make friends with the monkeys.  


    I'd be surprised if he did, because he has far too many
    problems already.  What would he be trying to accomplish?  
    Give the Resistance MORE fodder for our cannons?   We've
    got plenty of fodder already, and we've got lots of gunpowder.  
    We just need a new shipment of cannons!  




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    (an episcopal consecration or two would be real nice, too!)  


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    « Reply #17 on: August 02, 2013, 12:13:37 AM »
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  • Well, sending an SSPX delegate to WYD is not so far fetched is it?

    Hasn't Bp. Fellay & company been telling us they were going to convert the Conciliar church from within ?

    Why not a little missionary work?
    Send in Fr. Themann to evangelize the novus ordo rockers ?

    He's young, friendly and has a theological degree.

    Besides, the kids might dig his spin on Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.


    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #18 on: August 02, 2013, 12:25:59 AM »
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    Those who join a pagan organization submitting to blood-curdling oaths to cover up the misdeeds of others are objectively sinning.

    A knowledgeable priest wouldn't pretend it's something men get caught up in without having any awareness of it being wrong.  


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    « Reply #19 on: August 02, 2013, 01:24:57 AM »
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  • Quote from: Incredulous
    Well, sending an SSPX delegate to WYD is not so far fetched is it?

    Hasn't Bp. Fellay & company been telling us they were going to convert the Conciliar church from within ?

    Why not a little missionary work?
    Send in Fr. Themann to evangelize the novus ordo rockers ?

    He's young, friendly and has a theological degree.

    Besides, the kids might dig his spin on Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.




    Wow, how times have changed. Leo XIII or Pius X would have had him cleaning trash cans in the Vatican if that statement could be verified.
    I heard  during Pius X's reign there was a seminary director in NY state who invited a Protestant minister in to talk to the students. When Pius X's Vatican got confirmation he was directly dismissed without even telling the local Bishop.

    Now we get college Jesuits encouraging reversions to Islam and Catholic Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ advocates  :facepalm:
    "The most evident mark of God's anger, and the most terrible castigation He can inflict upon the world, is manifest when He permits His people to fall into the hands of a clergy who are more in name than in deed, priests who practice the cruelty of raveni


    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #20 on: August 02, 2013, 06:49:57 AM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
    Quote from: Incredulous

    Well, sending an SSPX delegate to WYD is not so far fetched is it?

    Hasn't Bp. Fellay & company been telling us they were going to convert the Conciliar church from within ?

    Why not a little missionary work?



    I agree, if they were consistent, they would send a delegate to WYD.  

    But they're not consistent.  The Menzingen-denizens only pursue their
    OWN agenda, on THEIR terms, and common sense is not a factor.  In
    fact, they RELY on their followers to have thrown common sense out
    the window.  


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    Send in Fr. Themann to evangelize the novus ordo rockers ?

    He's young, friendly and has a theological degree.

    Besides, the kids might dig his spin on Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. [/color]



    Those who join a pagan organization submitting to blood-curdling oaths to cover up the misdeeds of others are objectively sinning.

    A knowledgeable priest wouldn't pretend it's something men get caught up in without having any awareness of it being wrong.  




    What about Fr. Themann -- what about the sin of lying about the
    culpability of Freemasons?  He would do himself a favor if he were
    to go to confession to a Resistance priest!!


    This is no different from the problem the Jesuits had after Vat.II
    -- I knew one who liked to tell penitents in the confessional that
    they had not committed any sins, and that they were wasting his
    time by coming in there.  It was as if his objective was to make
    the lines for the confessional shorter and shorter -- and if so,
    then he was "successful" because under his "care" the lines
    disappeared over a period of two or three years around 1997-99.  
    He went by "Father Bill" but his real name was Rev. Andrew Diviney,
    S.J. (I found a listing here of "Diviney, Rev. Andrew (Billy) S.J,
    d. 26 May 2006, late Milltown Park 6" - but I'm not sure if that's
    the same priest.)


    He passed away a few years ago.  May God have mercy on his soul.


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    « Reply #21 on: August 02, 2013, 12:17:46 PM »
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  • Neil Obstat scrivened

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    But they're not consistent.  The Menzingen-denizens only pursue their
    OWN agenda, on THEIR terms, and common sense is not a factor.  In
    fact, they RELY on their followers to have thrown common sense out
    the window.


    I do ask myself, are those who are still following +BF the TotallyAwesome really all that blind and stupid as to at least not give the situation at hand more than a cursory glance? I found with my experiences in SSPX circles there to be more than a hint of anti-intellectualism amongst the laity. Faith AND Reason must go together. Fideism is alive and well alas.

    If indeed common sense has been defenestrated (love that word), then the sheep who follow, well, they might as well jump. Just go ahead and jump. :smirk:

    (Did you get the Split Enz reference to leaky boats Neil of the Obstat? :wink:)
    Da pacem Domine in diebus nostris
    Qui non est alius
    Qui pugnet pro nobis
    Nisi  tu Deus noster

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    « Reply #22 on: August 14, 2013, 07:41:01 AM »
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    Neil Obstat scrivened

     I found with my experiences in SSPX circles there to be more than a hint of anti-intellectualism amongst the laity. Faith AND Reason must go together. Fideism is alive and well alas.


    Yes it is true. Especially the people of Europe feel it.


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    « Reply #23 on: August 14, 2013, 08:29:10 AM »
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    Regardless, Bishops should behave accordingly, whether at a liturgical event or not. Which leads to the conclusion:  Are they Bishops?

     :confused1: :confused1: :confused1:


    Yet another angle on sedevacantism  :laugh2:

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    « Reply #24 on: August 14, 2013, 08:30:27 AM »
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    Takes one to know one?

    or was that

    Ask one to be one?

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    « Reply #25 on: August 14, 2013, 08:32:09 AM »
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  • Father Themann's perspective undoubtedly comes from the subjectivist school, the Dignitatis Humanae school, along the lines that sin is just a purely subjective thing, which is why he says "Most" freemasons don't sin ... because they think it's OK.


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    « Reply #26 on: August 14, 2013, 09:19:40 AM »
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  • Quote from: Ladislaus
    Quote from: Incredulous


    Takes one to know one?

    or was that

    Ask one to be one?


    Here's the video:

    [youtube]http://gloria.tv/?mediafile=FK7P4q_YuYU7V0JNa_zTlTbyGYMmsRyuPF20pajcdL0CKqzkWg[/youtube]
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    « Reply #27 on: August 15, 2013, 02:32:03 PM »
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  • That link I provided seems not to be working now, but all you have to do is move the bar over, and search the word "Themann" in the search box and it'll take you to the link. Just go there and it'll start.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    « Reply #28 on: August 16, 2013, 02:13:39 PM »
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  • Recently had a few minutes so I thought I'd look at the SSPX website and DICI.  I saw their article on World Youth Day.  By the looks of it, you'd think it wasn't such a bad event.  They follow Francis and report on what he has said and done.  Sadly however, they turned a blind eye to the rampant sacrileges and rampant immodesty (to say the least) in front of the very altar where the "Mass" was to be offered.  This immodesty permeated the event.  (see below)Who are they (SSPX) trying to please with this report?  Where is the OUTRAGE?   SAD...SAD...SAD!

    This is not the same SSPX founded by the holy Archbishop!

    I believe it was St. Augustine who compared a priest to a barking guard dog.   When the priest / dog stops barking you can be sure the enemy will not be far away.  The SSPX is no longer barking.

    In my opinion, better for them to have not reported on the event at all then to pretend as if nothing immoral or sacrileges occurred.
     
    VIVA CHRISTO REY!
    death rather than compromise!
     
    Bl Jose Sanchez Del Rio...Pray for us!

    See photos at links below,  

    Scroll half way down http://www.novusordowatch.org/wire/index.htm


    WARNING some bikini clad "Youts" may be offensive

    http://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A533-Bikini-2.htm

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    From: mstrohecker@hotmail.com
    To: mstrohecker@hotmail.com
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    Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 12:22:56 -0400


    "Sacrilege" is soo yesterday...

    "Sacrilege" is soo yesterday...

     
     



     



     



     



     




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    « Reply #29 on: August 16, 2013, 07:16:24 PM »
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  • Quote from: Ekim
    Recently had a few minutes so I thought I'd look at the SSPX website and DICI.  I saw their article on World Youth Day.  By the looks of it, you'd think it wasn't such a bad event.  They follow Francis and report on what he has said and done.  Sadly however, they turned a blind eye to the rampant sacrileges and rampant immodesty (to say the least) in front of the very altar where the "Mass" was to be offered.  This immodesty permeated the event.  (see below)Who are they (SSPX) trying to please with this report?  Where is the OUTRAGE?   SAD...SAD...SAD!

    This is not the same SSPX founded by the holy Archbishop!

    I believe it was St. Augustine who compared a priest to a barking guard dog.   When the priest / dog stops barking you can be sure the enemy will not be far away.  The SSPX is no longer barking.

    In my opinion, better for them to have not reported on the event at all then to pretend as if nothing immoral or sacrileges occurred.
     
    VIVA CHRISTO REY!
    death rather than compromise!
     
    Bl Jose Sanchez Del Rio...Pray for us!

    See photos at links below,  

    Scroll half way down http://www.novusordowatch.org/wire/index.htm


    WARNING some bikini clad "Youts" may be offensive

    http://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A533-Bikini-2.htm

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    From: mstrohecker@hotmail.com
    To: mstrohecker@hotmail.com
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    Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 12:22:56 -0400


    "Sacrilege" is soo yesterday...

    "Sacrilege" is soo yesterday...


    Excellent observations and post Ekim!
     
     



     



     



     



     



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