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  • http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/11/another-bishop-excommunicates-faithful.html


    Another Bishop "excommunicates" faithful who go to SSPX Masses - now in Argentina!

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    After the Pope's close friend and secretary of his Papal Council of Nine Cardinals did this days ago, now another Bishop threatens with "excommunication" the faithful who go to masses of the Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX).

    Where? In Argentina...

    In all honesty, Bishop Sarlinga is considered a "conservative"*, closely linked to Opus Dei (though not a member), and for that reason was widely regarded in the Argentinian Church as someone deeply despised by the former Archbishop of Buenos Aires, of whom he was considered an "ideological" adversary.

    His letter is much longer, but with the same references to the Letters of Benedict XVI following the removal of excommunications, so we translate below just the relevant conclusion.

       Óscar Domingo Sarlinga
        by the Grace of God and of the Apostolic See
        Bishop of Zárate-Campana


        Diocesan Decree 27/14

       ...
        By way of the present letter, I declare:

        - The priests of the "Society of Saint Pius X" must not celebrate in churches, oratories, and other places of Catholic worship in our diocese of Zárate-Campana. It is not licit to them, either, to offer or dispense to Catholic faithful the celebration of the other sacraments, including reconciliation (Cf. C[anon] 966) and the celebration of marriages (cf. C. 1108), of which the latter would additionally be invalid, by the reason of their not having the faculties that are required.

        -It is not licit for the Catholic faithful to take part in the celebration of Mass in these conditions, neither to request nor to receive sacraments from the priests of the aforementioned "Society of Saint Pius X", including in private places turned into places of worship, without excluding, in case of obstinacy, also the ferendae sententiae penalties that may apply, according to the ecclesial spirit and that of protection of the faithful.

        - In the case of the rupture of ecclesiastical communion by the above-mentioned founded motives, in order to be later readmitted to the Catholic Church, a personal path of reconciliation (and eventually of removal of the canonical censure) will be required, according to the discipline advised by the Holy See and the [diocese's] own, established by the diocesan bishop.

        I express the sincere and ardent desire that we let ourselves be enlightened by the Holy Spirit "so that the world may believe" (cf. Jn 17:21) and so that dialogue in Truth and Love may arise again, and that "the charity of Christ that compels us" may come first, as Saint Paul the Apostle taught us, due to which I beg the powerful help of the Virgin Mother of God, Mother of the Church.

        Let it be made public and archived.

        Given in Campana, Episcopal See, on the 3rd November 2014.

        + Óscar Sarlinga
         -By order of the His Excellency-

        [Fr.] Guillermo Eduardo Díaz
        Secretary Chancellor



    [Full Spanish text of the letter here.  / *Sarlinga has applied Summorum Pontificum in his diocese and invited an institute dedicated to the Traditional Mass to establish itself in his diocese, as we reported earlier this year. / Tip: Reader E.]
    Labels: Argentina, SSPX under Pope Francis, The New "Mercy"
    Posted by New Catholic at 11/03/2014 09:27:00 PM
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    Another Bishop "excommunicates" faithful who go to SSPX Masses
    « Reply #1 on: November 03, 2014, 07:51:05 PM »
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  • The letter translated on R.C. only has the last part. Here is the whole letter in Spanish:

    http://obispadodezaratecampana.org/?p=7741

    I'm very curious about this paragraph:
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    -Que la “Fraternidad Sacerdotal San Pío X” no cuenta al presente con una “posición canónica” en la Iglesia y que por ello no ha de ponerse en su misma situación a quienes en la diócesis de Zárate-Campana se acogen conforme a las normas del derecho a la forma extraordinaria del rito romano, de la carta de S.S. Benedicto XVI dada motu proprio“Sumorum Pontificum”.


    It is very difficult for me to translate it properly.  Anyone? Elsa? Can you translate it properly? It seems to be saying that since the SSPX has no canonical status, they do not have the right to the "EF" (?)
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    Another Bishop "excommunicates" faithful who go to SSPX Masses
    « Reply #2 on: November 03, 2014, 08:09:23 PM »
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    -Que la “Fraternidad Sacerdotal San Pío X” no cuenta al presente con una “posición canónica” en la Iglesia y que por ello no ha de ponerse en su misma situación a quienes en la diócesis de Zárate-Campana se acogen conforme a las normas del derecho a la forma extraordinaria del rito romano, de la carta de S.S. Benedicto XVI dada motu proprio“Sumorum Pontificum”.


    I think it's pretty straightforward.  Paraphrased it reads something like this:

    The SSPX does not at present have a "canonical position" in the Church, and for that reason, (their priests)  can not be placed in the same situation as those (priests?) in the diocese of Zarate-Campana who do conform to the norms established under the extraordinary form of the Roman rite,  rfrom the letter of Benedict XVI given in (his) motu proprio Sumorum Pontificum


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    Another Bishop "excommunicates" faithful who go to SSPX Masses
    « Reply #3 on: November 03, 2014, 08:10:00 PM »
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  • That's what I'm getting out of it, that because they are not diocesan, the bishop does not think they have right to the Latin Mass.
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    « Reply #4 on: November 03, 2014, 08:24:39 PM »
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  • Quote  It is not licit to them, either, to offer or dispense to Catholic faithful the celebration of the other sacraments, including reconciliation (Cf. C[anon] 966)unquote

    Does that mean that because the SSPX doesn't offer the same sacraments as the Novus Ordo it doesn't really apply?  We don't have reconciliation, we have confession and extreme unction which they don't have.
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    Another Bishop "excommunicates" faithful who go to SSPX Masses
    « Reply #5 on: November 03, 2014, 09:19:52 PM »
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  • Quote from: hollingsworth
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    -Que la “Fraternidad Sacerdotal San Pío X” no cuenta al presente con una “posición canónica” en la Iglesia y que por ello no ha de ponerse en su misma situación a quienes en la diócesis de Zárate-Campana se acogen conforme a las normas del derecho a la forma extraordinaria del rito romano, de la carta de S.S. Benedicto XVI dada motu proprio“Sumorum Pontificum”.


    I think it's pretty straightforward.  Paraphrased it reads something like this:

    The SSPX does not at present have a "canonical position" in the Church, and for that reason, (their priests)  can not be placed in the same situation as those (priests?) in the diocese of Zarate-Campana who do conform to the norms established under the extraordinary form of the Roman rite,  rfrom the letter of Benedict XVI given in (his) motu proprio Sumorum Pontificum

    Yes, that's what it intends to express.  But the way it was redacted in Spanish is really bad.

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    « Reply #6 on: November 04, 2014, 05:39:18 AM »
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    -Que la “Fraternidad Sacerdotal San Pío X” no cuenta al presente con una “posición canónica” en la Iglesia y que por ello no ha de ponerse en su misma situación a quienes en la diócesis de Zárate-Campana se acogen conforme a las normas del derecho a la forma extraordinaria del rito romano, de la carta de S.S. Benedicto XVI dada motu proprio“Sumorum Pontificum”.


    I think it's pretty straightforward.  Paraphrased it reads something like this:

    The SSPX does not at present have a "canonical position" in the Church, and for that reason, (their priests)  can not be placed in the same situation as those (priests?) in the diocese of Zarate-Campana who do conform to the norms established under the extraordinary form of the Roman rite,  rfrom the letter of Benedict XVI given in (his) motu proprio Sumorum Pontificum

    Yes, that's what it intends to express.  But the way it was redacted in Spanish is really bad.


    The part that caught my attention is:
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    -Que la “Fraternidad Sacerdotal San Pío X” no cuenta al presente con una “posición canónica” en la Iglesia y que por ello no ha de ponerse en su misma situación a quienes en la diócesis de Zárate-Campana se acogen conforme a las normas del derecho a la forma extraordinaria del rito romano, de la carta de S.S. Benedicto XVI dada motu proprio“Sumorum Pontificum”.


     It seems to be saying that since the SSPX has no canonical status, they do not have the right to the "EF" according to the norms of SP.
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    Another Bishop "excommunicates" faithful who go to SSPX Masses
    « Reply #7 on: November 04, 2014, 08:10:00 PM »
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  • Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora
    The part that caught my attention is:
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    -Que la “Fraternidad Sacerdotal San Pío X” no cuenta al presente con una “posición canónica” en la Iglesia y que por ello no ha de ponerse en su misma situación a quienes en la diócesis de Zárate-Campana se acogen conforme a las normas del derecho a la forma extraordinaria del rito romano, de la carta de S.S. Benedicto XVI dada motu proprio“Sumorum Pontificum”.


     It seems to be saying that since the SSPX has no canonical status, they do not have the right to the "EF" according to the norms of SP.


    Well, in some sense, that is what the document says: that, since the SSPX currently does not have a "canonical position" in the Church, it cannot place itself in the same situation (or at the same level, to say so) of the diocesan priests, who do conform to the norms established under the EF.


     

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