Author Topic: Angelus Press Sells NO Music? (Read 4064 times)

stevusmagnus · « **on:** July 18, 2012, 09:27:47 PM »

Since when do Traditional Catholics recognize "Ordinary Time?"

I thought that was only in the NO calendar.

http://angeluspress.org/Audio-Video/Sundays-in-Ordinary-Time

Ferdinand · « **Reply #1 on:** July 18, 2012, 10:41:18 PM »

Quote from: stevusmagnus

Since when do Traditional Catholics recognize "Ordinary Time?"

I thought that was only in the NO calendar.

http://angeluspress.org/Audio-Video/Sundays-in-Ordinary-Time

From the Angelus Site:

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This release delivers a stirring collection of Gregorian chants, celebrating "Ordinary Time" - the season of the liturgical year between the Feast of the Baptism of Our Lord and Lent, and from Pentecost Sunday until the beginning of the Advent season.

Ordinary Time is the thread of the liturgical year, commemorating each Sunday with the Resurrection and the Paschal mystery.

Expertly sung by the world-renowned monastic choir of Solesmes, France, this recording enables listeners to participate in a rich experience of the church's liturgical year.

The monastic apostate choir of Solesmes!

Catholics don't sell Catholics modern recordings from "Solesmes".

Nefarious Ordo recordings from the formerly Catholic "monastery" of Solesmes is more offensive than Christmas Carols from the Mormon Tabernacle Choir.

Our Lady of La Salette, Ora Pro Nobis!

trento · « **Reply #2 on:** July 18, 2012, 11:13:02 PM »

Most of the chants used in the NO 'Ordinary Time' can also be found in the Traditional calendar. I wouldn't make a fuss about that. It is disconcerting however to say Mormons are more acceptable than Solesmes. On the other hand, I highly recommend the recordings by Schola Bellarmina, also sold by Angelus Press.

Sunbeam · « **Reply #3 on:** July 19, 2012, 06:03:04 AM »

Seems like its for Ordinary Time in the Muslim Rite!

John Grace · « **Reply #4 on:** July 19, 2012, 06:16:34 AM »

Angelus Press admit it was an 'oversight' on their part and removed it. Now it is back on their website for sale. I wouldn't make any purchases from Angelus Press but this is just a personal opinion of mine.

http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=10232

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And here's where I mentioned it, in Sept 2010.

laudamus te contacted Angelus Press, and got this reply:
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This was an oversight on our part. We have been adding certain selections from the Solesmes collection to our website, and one of our employees accidentally added this one unknowingly.

Thank you for your e-mail. The CD has been removed from the site.

John Grace · « **Reply #5 on:** July 19, 2012, 06:21:43 AM »

In their statement on the General Chapter mentioned on another thread they state clearly "We have determined and approved the necessary conditions for an eventual canonical normalization".

It will be quite normal for Angelus Press to be selling such products. The SSPX will have to sell products associated with 'Ordinary Time'. They will have no choice in the matter.

TKGS · « **Reply #6 on:** July 19, 2012, 07:03:59 AM »

I found this incredible, but I was curious to see for myself. So I went to the link provided and this item definitely started to come up on the internet. Then it simply stopped loading all the way. Since I'm on a dial-up connection, this is not so unusual. Normally, I just have to refresh once or twice before the webpage fully loads, but when I clicked the refresh button, a new page came up saying that the item was not found.

This occurred at about 7:45 a.m., EDT. So apparently, the SSPX took action to remove the product at that time.

However, Angelus Press does have an item called: "SET: The Solesmes Collection" which contains 19 discs. The webpage does not list all 19 discs and the photo only shows a few of the discs. The only way to discover if the "Ordinary Time" disc is included in the set is, most likely, to purchase the entire set.

I think I'll pass on that. If someone is looking for CDs of chants, there is a website called Chant CD (at http://www.chantcd.com/) that, perhaps, would be better. There does not seem to be any Ordinary Time CDs from Solesmes Monastery there.

ultrarigorist · « **Reply #7 on:** July 19, 2012, 07:17:57 AM »

Yep, Angelus pulled the page for that offering.

What a surprise.

For all those "sermons" about staying off internet fora, Menzigen seems to be watching them like a hawk.

John Grace · « **Reply #8 on:** July 19, 2012, 07:28:07 AM »

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So apparently, the SSPX took action to remove the product at that time.

As they did in 2010. So why was it placed on the website in the first place? Who placed it there and who removed it?

John Grace · « **Reply #9 on:** July 19, 2012, 07:35:06 AM »

I can't find the reply I received from Louis Tofari from a couple of years ago. His reply was far from convincing. Why are these items added to the website in the first place? With the Fr Rostand "Against the Rumours" videos, I'm not so surprised regarding the American District and Angelus Press.

John Grace · « **Reply #10 on:** July 19, 2012, 08:59:36 AM »

The reply from Louis Tofari from 2010.

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Though a somewhat contemporary term, there is really nothing objectionable to using "Sundays in Ordinary Time", to describe the periods encompassed by the Sundays after Epiphany and Sundays after Pentecost; in fact, the term "Per annum" (through the year) was often used to denote these periods.

Furthermore, there is an authentic notion of the Paschal Mystery, which as the CD's text rightly states, is the celebration of the Our Lord's Resurrection on every Sunday (which is a feast of that redemptive mystery). The problem with the liberal notion of the Paschal Mystery is that it diminishes the necessary conjoined focus, or memorial, of Our Lord's Passion. However, the CD's wording is not conforming to the modernist notion.

John Grace · « **Reply #11 on:** July 19, 2012, 09:10:43 AM »

http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=10232

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They already removed Fr. Fahey's works, didn't they? I don't pay that much attention to their catalog, but if anyone does, have they noticed more of this trend? And like MC says, has anyone called to see if they're just out of stock?

I checked earlier and whilst nothing comes up in the search box of the Angelus Press website, they do list The Kingship of Christ and Organised Naturalism under books on Social Doctrine.

http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=10232

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Well, I just phoned Angelus press. All that the rather nervous-sounding young man on the phone could tell me is that I Accuse the Council is out of stock and they therefore removed it from their website. He said that he could not offer any time-frame for when they would be printing more and recommended that I contact Society chapels with bookstores near me to see if I can get a copy from them. I did not get the impression that it will be reprinted any time soon since he said it has not been scheduled for a reprinting at this time.

I may try following-up with the editor Mr. Vogel, although I was met with stony silence the last time I wrote to him (complaining about the over-the-top "nαzιsm is the worse evil ever in the history of the universe" articles by some German chap) so I am not overly optimistic I'll get a response.

http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=10232

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I have now emailed Mr. Vogel, the editor of Angelus Press (also of "Against the Rumours" fame). We'll see what response, if any, I receive.

Ferdinand · « **Reply #12 on:** July 19, 2012, 11:41:51 AM »

Now is the time to keep your wits about you.

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But yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth?
~ Luke 18:8

Traditional Catholicism is fading fast. The plague of ignorance is neutralizing the resistance. Ignorance begets a multitude of evils, not the least of which is false obedience. The fight is negligible with new the generation and many of the old guard have either been brainwashed over the past 20+ years or were only as good as the leadership of yesteryear.

There are some well intentioned "trad" souls (albeit ignorant) who will attend the NO if they can't find a valid Mass on Sunday.

The Nefarious Ordo, in Latin, in a Gothic Cathedral (or Monastery in France, or St. Peter's in Rome) with all the bells and smells is more odious in its effects than "Fr." Bob's guitar "mass".

An analogy would be the harlot in fine clothing. Appearing as a something she isn't (namely a lady), she is more likely to overcome her noble victim (the Faith).

If you haven't read "A Vindication of the Bull 'Apostolicae Curae'"A letter on Anglican Orders by the Cardinal Archbishop and Bishops of the Province of Westminster[/i]", you must. If you've read it, read it again, and as a spiritual work of mercy, forward it on to everyone on your mailing list. It is only 68 pages (including the title page). It is truly a docuмent for these times, as +Fellay and his ilk continue to drive the herd to market/rome.

http://www.angelfire.com/nj/malleus/PDFs/Vindication-AC.pdf

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #13 on:** July 19, 2012, 02:11:47 PM »

I really appreciate these updates, because having specific information like this is helpful to inform others.

It is still quite common to find traditional Catholics who think the SSPX is beyond
any risk of modernizing, since the priests are all so good, and they would never
do anything like that.

We should be keeping a running list of the facts they should be told -- the things they
don't want to hear:

~ +Fellay unlawfully banned +Williamson from the GCs
~ The GC unlawfully voted 29 to 9 in favor of upholding the unlawful ban
~ +Fellay has been giving messages of equivocation toward Vatican II
~ Any SSPX priest who speaks about these things is punished immediately
~ The faithful who protect such priests are being expelled from the SSPX
~ Angelus Press has removed I Accuse the Council from their catalog
~ I Accuse the Council is not scheduled for re-printing
~ Sundays in Ordinary Time is used to describe products, and defended by Angelus Press
~ When asked telling questions, Angelus Press equivocates or does not answern

Don't be surprised, that when you tell them these things, and they ask you where
you heard about it, and you tell them "on the Internet," that they would then
laugh, and tell you not to believe what you see on the Internet!

I have one friend who told me that, and I asked him, "Do you have a minute?"
And he said, "Sure." I then pulled out my cell phone and told him I have a person
to whom he might like to speak, available by phone, who can describe how Fr.
Cardozo was expelled from the SSPX for denouncing the "deal" with a Modernist
Rome, and then when the faithful have offered him help, just like our faithful did
for our own Fr. Schell in 1975, then the SSPX District Superior has gone out of his
way to expel those faithful from the Society. He didn't want to use my phone. All I
have to do now, is hold up my cell phone and he stops laughing at "the Internet."

Incredulous · « **Reply #14 on:** July 19, 2012, 02:20:41 PM »

Quote from: John Grace

The reply from Louis Tofari from 2010.
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Though a somewhat contemporary term, there is really nothing objectionable to using "Sundays in Ordinary Time", to describe the periods encompassed by the Sundays after Epiphany and Sundays after Pentecost; in fact, the term "Per annum" (through the year) was often used to denote these periods.

Furthermore, there is an authentic notion of the Paschal Mystery, which as the CD's text rightly states, is the celebration of the Our Lord's Resurrection on every Sunday (which is a feast of that redemptive mystery). The problem with the liberal notion of the Paschal Mystery is that it diminishes the necessary conjoined focus, or memorial, of Our Lord's Passion. However, the CD's wording is not conforming to the modernist notion.

Mr. Tofari is one of the SSPX's "lay spin guys".
He's previously tried to justify Bp. Fellay's hiring of the Jєωιѕн zio-lawyer, Max Krah, by claiming the SG had the right to bring-in professional help.

Bp. Fellay opened the doors to the the Conciliar Church infection and the speed of which the contagion is spreading within the Society is amazing.

Funny, how the SSPX soft-liner (sell-outs) have to "watch their backs" by tracking criticisms of their actions on CatholicInfo and similar forums.
I wonder if they have trouble sleeping at night?