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Angelus Press blog takes a swipe at Resistance
« on: April 04, 2013, 04:43:58 PM »
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  • I figured something like this was coming. Have a look at this rubbish:

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    The following is written by Fr. Francois Laisney, originally appearing on http://sspxasia.com, and is published with permission.
     
    For some time now, certain persons have been publishing the most grievous accusations against the superiors of the SSPX to an almost obsessive degree without realising that they themselves have lost contact with reality; they have fallen into errors which I will call “pseudo-anti-liberal”, because they pretend to be anti-liberal, though they themselves fall into the very defect they condemn, as wrote St Paul: “Wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou dost the same things which thou judgest” (Rom. 2:1).
     
    A CANONICAL REGULARISATION – SOMETHING GOOD IN ITSELF
     
    After having defined the notion of a liberal – someone who rejects the authority of God and of His Law – in order to conclude that the authorities of the SSPX are liberal, they logically need to prove that these authorities have rejected God and His Law. Now, not only have they failed to prove that Bishop Fellay and the authorities of the SSPX reject God and His Law, they have also failed to recognise that is precisely in order to obey the Law of God that – following the example of Archbishop Lefebvre (who always rejected sedevacantism) – these authorities are attached to the Catholic Church, as it is concretely today (sadly disfigured by modernism and liberalism as Christ was disfigured on the Cross), but remaining nonetheless the Catholic Church founded by Christ on Peter and against which the gates of Hell shall not prevail. St Thomas Aquinas explains that all law is essentially an order, ordo rationis: this submission to the Law of God therefore implies necessarily the love of order, and thus the desire to be in order within the Church of God; a canonical regularisation has no other purpose. There is therefore nothing liberal in this, on the contrary.
     
    DISTINCTION: SUBMISSION TO THE SUCCESSOR OF PETER
     
    Where is the problem then? It comes from the fact that many of those who possess authority in the Church today are infected by liberalism to diverse degrees. This neither Bishop Fellay nor any priest of the SSPX denies. But, while Bishop Fellay and the faithful priests of the SSPX, following the example of Archbishop Lefebvre, make the distinction between being subject to the successor of Peter as successor of Peter and not as liberal, nay, while resisting his liberalism, those who oppose Bishop Fellay seems to be viscerally unable to make such distinction and persevere in their ignorance of the teaching of St Augustine against the Donatists: in the Catholic Church communion with the bad ones does not harm the good ones so long as they do not consent to their evilness. The words bad ones translate the Latin mali. Put liberals in place of bad ones, since liberalism is bad, and the principle of St Augustine is exactly the position of Bishop Fellay and the refutation of those who oppose him: in the Catholic Church, communion with the liberals does not harm the good ones so long as they do not consent with their liberalism.
     
    To understand the principle of St Augustine, one must remember the great truth which Father Calmel often recalled: the head of the Church is Christ; the Pope is only his vicar. It is because the communion with the members of the Church is first of all communion with Christ that it does not harm the goods, so long as they do not consent to the evil. And it is because they forget Christ at the head of the Church that certain persons are so afraid of this communion, paying attention only to the human side of the Church and forgetting the Sacred Heart who is in control of everything in His  Church. Their zeal so bitter – so opposed to the spirit of Archbishop Lefebvre – manifests this neglect  of the Sacred Heart. Let us pray for them.
     


    DEGREES OF LIBERALISM
     
    Archbishop Lefebvre often pointed out that there are many degrees of liberalism. Some reject  systematically the very principle of any law and any obligation: such liberals have clearly not the true  Faith. Others, while recognising God and His Law, and all the truths of the Catholic Faith, do not apply them sufficiently to concrete situations or don’t have the courage to recognise their consequences in modern society; and among these liberals there are also many degrees. These still have the Faith, though they deserve this reproach of Our Lord to His Apostles: “Oh ye of little faith!” (Mt. 8:26, 17:16, etc.) One must not therefore indifferently condemn all those infected by liberalism, as if they were all equally guilty of the most horrible crime, viz. to be at war with God. Moreover one ought not systematically to interpret every action of a liberal as evil; in the 19th century, some great anti-liberal Catholics such as Pope Pius IX or Cardinal Pie did not fear to praise the good done by some liberals such as Mgr Dupanloup or the Count Montalembert, while vigorously denouncing their liberalism.
     
    THE VISIBLE CHURCH
     
    Moreover there is a surprising dearth of logic in the Bishop Fellay’s accusers. I quote: “They say we must rejoin the visible Church because that is the Catholic Church. But the Anglican ‘church’ is still visible, all over England. Does that make it Catholic?” This argument would stand only if the leaders of the SSPX would have said: “because it is visible, it is Catholic,” or “all visible churches are Catholic.” But they evidently have not said anything like this; thus the pretended rebuttal (‘But the Anglican…’) is a mere sophism.
     
    The truth upon which Bishop Fellay and the authorities of the SSPX insist is that the Catholic Church is visible, not only yesterday but also today. It was this visible, concrete, Roman, Catholic Church which yesterday was acknowledged by Archbishop Lefebvre and which today is recognised by Bishop Fellay and the SSPX (of which we have been living members from its beginning in 1970, and in which our duty is to be “in order”). There is nothing liberal in all that.
     
    If those who oppose Bishop Fellay today reject this visible, concrete, Roman Catholic Church, which church is theirs? Where is it? Is it visible? Or is it like their “loose association”, without authority nor obligations? Such a concept has nothing Catholic about it! Not that I think that this is their idea of the Church. But it seems to me that their error consists in considering the unity of the Church as secondary and accessory with regards to the Faith, as if having the Faith would dispense them from ecclesiastical communion with other members of the Church if these be liberals. Indubitably, one ought to hold fast to the Faith in all its purity, because “without faith it is impossible to please God” (Heb. 11:6); but faith without charity does not profit anything (1 Cor. 13:2). It is charity, “the bond of perfection” (Col. 3:14), which obliges use to keep that bond of communion, as St Augustine often explained (Archbishop di Noia has given some beautiful passages on this matter, and one could easily find a great number of similar ones). Here is a real and odd danger: to save the traditional faith, they lean towards the sola fide?
     
    Three months ago, I wrote in a text entitled Various churches? : “One can read [in one of their articles]: ‘That part alone of the visible Church is Catholic which is one, holy, universal and apostolic. The rest is various sorts of rot.’ Immediately the question is raised: is the Catholic Church merely ‘a part of the visible Church’? And this leads to another more fundamental question: is it legitimate to distinguish between the Catholic Church, Christ’s Church and the visible Church? On the contrary, does not the Catholic Faith oblige us to profess the identity between Christ’s Church, the CatholicChurch and the visible Church? Yes! Christ’s Church is the Catholic Church, and this Church is visible!” Such was the faith of Archbishop Lefebvre.
     
    THE FIGHT AGAINST ‘CONCILIAR ROME’
     
    It seems to me that those who “never understood the faith of Archbishop Lefebvre” are truly those who reject this visible, concrete, Roman Catholic Church, in which Archbishop Lefebvre believed and to which he devoted his whole life, his last years included. Another accusation against Bishop Fellay is that he “uses his authority to oblige his inferiors to follow a direction contrary to that which they had when they joined the SSPX, i.e. the refusal of the fight against the Conciliar Rome.” From the start, one must clarify the expression conciliar Rome: if by that they mean the conciliar spirit, the errors of Vatican II and their multiple applications, such an accusation is a calumny, i.e. it is false and grievously offending to the reputation of Bishop Fellay. The very choice of the SSPX members for the theological discussions with Rome shows that Bishop Fellay wanted no weakness in the defence of the Catholic truth against the conciliar novelties, and at the very beginning of last year he clearly set as his first principle: no compromise on the Faith! And the following months only proved that he was faithful to this principle, in spite of the false prophecies announcing that he would compromise the SSPX. If on the contrary one means by conciliar Rome another ecclesial structure than that of the Catholic Church, then one must say that such persons had a wrong conception of the crisis of the Church, a conception other than that of Archbishop Lefebvre! No, Bishop Fellay is not a “depraved father”, but rather a faithful father (with a small number of rebel children!)
     
    FOR CATHOLIC ROME
     
    Let us add, and this is a fundamental argument, that the essential position of Archbishop Lefebvre is not primarily a position against but rather a position for. It was because he was for a total fidelity to the Catholic Faith of all times, that Archbishop Lefebvre was against the conciliar novelties. Such an attitude first of all for and then against is very clear in his famous Declaration: “We adhere with our whole heart, and with our whole soul to Catholic Rome, the Guardian of the Catholic Faith and of those traditions necessary for the maintenance of that Faith, to eternal Rome, Mistress of Wisdom and Truth. On the contrary we refuse and have always refused to follow the Rome of neo Modernist and neo Protestant tendencies, such as were clearly manifested during the Second Vatican Council, and after the Council in all the resulting reforms.” But those who set themselves primarily against a situation of triumphant modernism as that of the 70s and 80s, can no longer position themselves in a different situation, as under Benedict XVI where there was an effort (incomplete but real) to correct some evident deviations and to return to a more traditional approach to liturgy and the life of the Church. They do not know how to position themselves because they did not have (or forgot) the superior positive principle, which itself remains valid in every situation.
     
    INEPT RESISTANCE
     
    There is another all too frequent illusion among these critics: they compare their resistance to Bishop Fellay with the resistance of Archbishop Lefebvre to the conciliar novelties; we hear them put in parallel “the conciliar revolution and the accordist revolution.” But this comparison rather shows the inanity of their position. Nay, this comparison turns out to be rather a striking contrast. We can consider three aspects. First, Archbishop Lefebvre resisted the conciliar novelties after they were introduced: it was after the Council and after the New Mas that he started his work at Ecône; it was after Assisi that he did the Consecrations. On the contrary, it was before any compromise, in the fear of a future compromise which never came that these critics attack bishop Fellay. Secondly, let us consider the magnitude of the cause: on one hand, the Council, the New Mass (and the whole liturgical reform, since no sacrament was spared), and Assisi: these are huge scandals, causingimmense damages to millions of souls. On the other side, they put forth a few words in an impromptu interview and on a few other occasions that one can count on one’s hand. There is here such a contrast that one can but wonder at the blindness of those who do not see it. Thirdly Archbishop Lefebvre never requested the resignation of Paul VI in spite of the gravity of the conciliar and liturgical reforms, nor of John Paul II in spite of the gravity of Assisi; but these critics request the resignation of Bishop Fellay. St Augustine teaches that it is not suffering and death that makes the martyr, but first and foremost his cause: Archbishop Lefebvre had a just and proportionate cause for his resistance to the conciliar and liturgical novelties, but Bishop Fellay’s critics have no proportion for their resistance which is bare rebellion.
     
    LIBERAL ANTI-LIBERALS
     
    I wrote at the beginning that “they pretend to be anti-liberal, though they themselves fall into the very defect they condemn.” Indeed, the characteristic of liberals is the refusal of authority, be it the authority of dogmatic truth, of divine law or ecclesiastical authority. “The liberal is a fanatic of independence, he promotes it even to the point of absurdity, in all domains”, this is how Canon Roussel defined him, quoted by Archbishop Lefebvre (They have uncrowned Him, p.14). And now, behold our great anti-liberals are proposing “independent cells”, i.e. a loose association among them… without authority! Because they have not known how to obey, now they know not how to command. And since authority comes from above, having cut themselves from their legitimate superiors, they have lost all authority. On the contrary, Archbishop Lefebvre founded his Society, as a living branch well rooted in the trunk of the Church by the canonical approval of Mgr Charrière, and thus with a legitimate line of authority, as any truly Catholic work… not so among our critics.
     
    Archbishop Lefebvre himself knew how to exercise this authority (among other examples, by expelling the sedevacantists). Here again one sees the contrast between the legitimate resistance of Archbishop Lefebvre and the rebellion of our critics, who, by their refusal of authority, have fallen in the very fault that they criticised.
     
    There is a great illusion in pretending to “rely on a model of paternity (which includes authority) and not on an authoritative structure as such”, because precisely by rejecting that authoritative structure they fall back willy-nilly on a paternity without authority, typical of liberalism. They say: “if it weren’t contradictory, I would envisage a structure without authority, but with paternity, yes, with paternity! This is indispensable!” Unfortunately for them, it is contradictory! The very word authority comes from the word author; a father who would not be the author of his children would not really be father! A father who would refuse to have a true authority on his children would be… a liberal father! There is no true paternity without authority. They do well to denounce liberalism as “a religion with no rules except their own will.” But why then are they making a free association of priests, association with no rules except their own will?
     
    Let us pray that they correct themselves and humbly ask to be readmitted in the Society of St Pius X. May St Joseph obtain this grace for them!
     
    Fr. François Laisney
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.


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    Fc+ letter to Fr Laisney from Fr Chazal


    L’ILLUSION LIBERALE  

    MAASIN 27-03-2013

    Dear Fr Laisney.



    As you helped our cause in the past, I was surprised to see that your latest attempt against our little (1 Bishop, 50 priests (including 6 more just in the month of march ), 3 monasteries and one Carmel in Germany) resistance to the sspx Vatican II was recommended from the pulpit of Fr. Couture himself. It is a sign that liberalism is spreading with the blessing of authorities.

    I am very grateful that you kept your sophistications to three pages, that are a good summary of the fallacies thrown at us.



    SOPHISM # 1: IT IS GOOD TO BE REGULARIZED NOW.

    So you start by saying that we have failed to prove Bishop Fellay wrong ….. Fine! But prove it!

    Most of what we do is to quote him. If you say that the April 15th is a calumny, you’ll be the first to believe it is a fiction. The double-speech of Menzingen is an ongoing and well docuмented process; based on the idea that the Vatican II and the new mass are fixable and therefore, we cannot demand the novus ordo to condemn them .>>> Feb 15th interview at “Nouvelles de France”.

    Regularization is like a toothpick, indifferent, which means, I can spoke the eye of my little sister with it. A priest doesn’t need to be regularized by with Robespierre but with the good Pope Pius VI. But no, you say we must be in order, because the law is order. Order !!...sayest the speaker in the House of the Parliament in Great Britain. Unfortunately, the Novus Ordo is an order by name only, and the Archbishop told us “to submit to evil out of obedience is a sin … in the Day of Judgment Our Lord will not ask us if we obeyed our (devious) superiors”. (August 09th 1986).

    Why do you fail to inform the faithful about the rest of the definition of the law? That is not fair. A law is an ordinance of reason for the common good by the one who has care of the community.

    Is it reasonable to be in order with the demolishers of the Church? What happened to the common good of Campos, the IBP, ICK, FSP?

    In the case of danger for the Faith, Canon Law provides regularity to those who simply want not to swim with the sharks. Hence….. another sophism on the horizon is necessary.



    SOPHISM # 2: THE NEW POPES ARE BAD OR LIBERALS, NOT HERETICS.

    To be in communion with the sharks, one must prove that they are charitable sharks, taking us, their prey, as we are, while we make a clear distinction between what is good legitimate in them, and what is a bit cruel in them.

    Here again you should have told us, ignorant readers, what is Donatism (a rigorist heresy: that people in sin must be altogether avoided and cannot perform any valid sacraments)

    But no, liberals, novus ordo and non-catholics are welcome to talk to us and to attend our Masses, while we condemn the errors of their ways. This is what we do; I think its Catholic. Ours being a club of sinners , trying to intricate themselves by the grace of God, and welcoming sinners, including liberals, I don’t see how you make us Donatists except because you cannot stomach our refusal to call a heretic spade a heretic spade. All sinners are not heretics, but heretics are a very particular and dangerous kind of sinner and heretics do need to be avoided (do I need to prove that?).

    For you, the best solution to avoid seeing heretics is to avoid seeing heresies, by preventing for instance the publication (in English) of Bishop Tissier’s book, a best seller in France, that proves Benedict XVI to be a heretic. Our channels of information have stopped to make a full investigation of today’s Rome. I should have thought about it before: if a better Rome is what we want, all we need to say is that these are no super heresies and focus on the “traditional” actions of Benedict XVI while carefully avoiding to mention that he blessed an Islamic center in Rome, appointed a Mason in the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, prayed vespers with Protestants at St. Paul outside of the walls, prepared to beatify Paul VI, etc. …. More of these things are not to be found on DICI & SSPX.ORG, but they must be painfully gathered from elsewhere.

    So how can you say that you are resisting liberalism when you refuse to expose heresies (something much graver)? How can the General Chapter claim to keep the liberty to rebuke errors when, even before a regularization, all we have is a deafening silence about the scandals of today’s Papacy.



    SOPHISM # 3 : THE NEW POPES ARE NOT THAT LIBERAL.

    “Sisinono” used to call Cardinal Ratzinger “a Prefect of the Congregation for the Faith without the Faith”. All those who have pored over his writings conclude the same. He is not of the same degree as a Dupanloup and Montalembert. But thankfully, we have now Pope Francis Ist. Desperating about DICI & SSPX.ORG, I watched his inaugural mass on Youtube…. there it was, the new religion: women doing readings, communion for pro abortion Joe Biden & Nancy Peℓσѕι, world religions closest to the altar, on the Gospel side, ring of Paul VI, prayer at the tomb of St. Peter with the schismatic Patriarch, novusordo vestments, liturgical abuses of all kinds, leftist sermon, allegiance standing etc.

    I am not talking of the other aspects of this Jesuit Pope, they are plenty and far exceeding the little report of Fr. Bouchacourt.

    While you can count on many people in the pews not to check for the facts, I still think that Pope Francis is going to make it really hard for you to prove that Rome has changed, except for the worse. If you persevere in this liberal blindness, (a lower of degree than other degrees of liberalism,) expect the SSPX crisis to continue. Do you really want more priests to join us?

    If I were Bishop Fellay, I would humbly say that “I misrepresented the situation and the spread of heresy in Rome “ or “Rome is getting worse and worse, we denounce it and exclude all deal with it for the time being.” But there is no sign of that. God is helping you to see with this new Pope, who is much less dangerous to us because he is less ambiguous. The label corresponds to what is in the bottle; while with Benedict XVI, we even had the red shoes.



    SOPHISM # 4 : WE MUST REJOIN THE VISIBLE CHURCH.

    Your next paragraph is a bit convoluted, and the arguments of Anglicanism is far fetched, I admit. But it remains that your reasoning, which is a repeat of Bishop Fellay’s April 14th infamous letter, is that flawed reasoning used by Dom Gerard to abandon Archbishop Lefebvre in 1988. As you quote later so brilliantly, a new Church has “clearly manifested itself” after Vatican II. What we have is a complete entanglement of Truth and error, still good people having the Faith and rotten members. In case of such entanglement, as for the wheat and the chaff, what do we do? Do we go on the field? No! God knows how and will disentangle everything in the time of his choosing.

    In the meantime, we keep whatever attachment to the visible Catholic Church as possible, like praying and recognizing Pope(s) and Bishops, showing courtesy to the local novus ordo priests, getting sometime the permission to use beautiful churches and refraining to say that all novus ordo people are bad.

    But for you liberals, like insane Galatians of old, it is salvation by mush, as Bishop Williamson says. You want to come canonically in into this visibly undisentanglable marshmallowish mush. Nothing has been learned from the past experiences and the worsening of the situation in Rome (Pope Francis, Muller, Kasper, Bertone, etc…) is not changing your reasoning. Good luck to you !! You shall be placed in this Parliament of religions before being trampled underfoot, like the Redemptorist of Papa Stronsay.

    There is something more to life than to get our papers in order, and we lament on the confusion of the visible Church quite bitterly: because mankind its visible means of salvation, because the visible Church has lost its missionary identity at Vatican II, countless souls are going to hell, like snowflakes.

    No Father, we love the visible Church more than you think. It is visible to teach the Faith to all nations as Our Lord said.

    It is very sad to see that you follow the false assumptions of Archbishop di Noia.



    SOPHISM # 5: BISHOP FELLAY FIGHTS VATICAN II

    How can you reconcile what you say next with the June 1976 declaration of Archbishop Lefebvre: “Inasmuch as one unites himself to this Conciliar Church, he separates himself from the Church of Our Lord Jesus Christ”. In the very months where you say he was faithful, Bishop Fellay wrote carefully his doctrinal preamble which could be the doctrinal manifesto of any other Ecclesia Dei contraptions. Amazingly, the Pope couldn’t accept it, for political reasons that we don’t yet know; or because he was not confident to catch the Society as a whole.

    Had he accepted the offer, we would now recognize Vatican II, the validity and legitimacy of the new Mass, the validity of all novus ordo sacraments; even dubious ones like Confirmation and Holy Orders. We would endorse the profession of Faith of 1989 that entails submission to Vatican II and would be following today’s magisterium, as per the terms of Lumen Gentium 25. We would say that religious liberty is reconciliable with Tradition (albeit with difficulty). We would make ours the New Code of Canon Law, without even a mention of the Old Code that the Archbishop told us to follow……

    The whole sell out is there, but much to this grief, as his brother said, the Pope couldn’t buy us.

    But then the General Chapter put a big “FOR SALE” sign at the General Chapter….on July 14th !

    Look up the past worrying statements, the various interviews, especially on CNS, the letter of April 14th, the six conditions, the talks of both assistants, and the case is made: Bishop Fellay fights Vatican II with ¼ of his heart, maybe.



    SOPHISM # 6: ROME IS MOVING TOWARDS TRADITION.

    The triumphant election and installation of Francis 1st confirms perfectly that this ”real effort” to return to Tradition, on the part of Rome, was just a phase of Revolution. One often needs to step backwards to jump better. Are you going to learn the lessons of Pope Francis and be more careful? Looking at the muteness of the official SSPX channels, I fear not. But I promise that it will buy us some time for the good and antiliberal priests still in the official SSPX (and there are many) to open their eyes, if you intend to make your reconciliationnal recognition with a Triumphantly modernist new Rome. We need more time to make the ship ready and I think Francis I will hold off Bishop Fellay, hopefully.



    SOPHISM # 7: IT IS BETTER TO HEAL THAN TO PREVENT THE DISEASE.

    You want us to wait until the New Mass arrives in our chapel, Vatican II and its paraphernalia. You want us to be fooled again and swim into another boat only once the ship is at the bottom of the ocean.

    But, Father, we were fooled once, and in a mighty way, at the Council. We have studied the process, and we have seen the same process with those who abandoned the fight of the Archbishop in the past. Do you really want us to be fooled again? All we need to see before taking any action is the official endorsement of Vatican II, wrapped, it is true, in double speech and apparent backpedalling.

    But if I may say it is precisely this double speech that make us more determined to take action, lest the simple ones be utterly misled in the end.

    Our task is not easy, and inept to your eyes, but we have to make sure that there is going to be a fair sized remnant once the reconciliation that you long for so much, actually takes place.

    Your resolve into going back to the Novus Ordo Official Church feeds in turn our own resolve.



    SOPHISM # 8: PRAY, PAY & OBEY.

    Your last paragraph is directly aimed at Bishop Williamson, the present leader of the resistance.

    I don’t know if you realize, Father, but obedience is your main weapon, exactly like the novus ordo towards the SSPX; and the 50 of us are painfully aware that it is the main answer we receive to these questions of doctrine.

    Therefore, one can understand the perplexity of Bishop Williamson in creating a tight network of obedience, because this is the second time in a lifetime that obedience is used to disobey God.

    It remains that some of us want to establish a Corps, an army, like the Jesuits of old, but His Lordship is not in favor of it – or will not join the Corps personally, neither will he direct a seminary. Our faithful, on the contrary, yearn for the security of an organized body of Priests, they want soldiers down the pipe and a whole worldwide grid, so what do we do? Guess what? We obey Bishop Williamson, confident that the necessity of a “Marian Corps” will gradually emerge from the bonds of Charity that exists among us and the necessity of sacraments and priestly assistance for catholic families. Regional leaders are already emerging, like Fr Pfeiffer in North America, Dom Thomas Aquinas is South America, and Fr Nicolas Pinaud in France. Fr Ringrose is a great leader of his kind, Fr Ortiz works under him very happily. I am sending the doubles of my canonical files to Our Lady of Mount Carmel already.

    Note well that it has been prophesized that “They are going to frizzle”, “They are not going to stick together”. The facts belie all this, we are all in touch and mutually supportive, doctrinally, financially and spiritually. Therefore, no, it is not chaos amongst us, just a nascent organization.

    Our contenders would like us to make a hasty decision as to how we are going to operate exactly, but for the time being, really, we are just thrown away SSPX priests, recovering from the shock, of strict survivance. The oaths and promises we have taken, we fulfill then now in great sorrows thanks to the homeless programs begun last year. We have nothing in the bank.

    It is also difficult for the faithful to get their bearings after this new breach of trust on the part of the authorities. (Authority should also try, a bit sometimes, to earn some trust from its subjects). Some of those faithful are ostracized, others can’t take any more the local liberalism that has trickled down to their local clergy… they have now to make do with rare visits of overextended missionaries. But we have the lucky ones in Vienna Virginia, Los Angeles (Fr Perez), Florida, Brazil, etc.

    So don’t worry Father, if we have not yet come with a clear frame, it is out of compliance and in order to think about a better structure. Just think about it: two 12 years’ terms….That is a quarter of a century!

    To finish on something funny, let’s talk about the bitter zeal. Several questions: Who left the meal in bitterness before the end because he could not contain his anger and repeated the experience elsewhere? Who denies us absolution? Who tells little villagers that we are schismatics? Who wants us to eat in the library and say the Mass in our bedrooms? Who refuses to talk, even to iron out our lines of argumentation in private? Who told us that it is illegal for us to step in SSPX chapels and properties? Who excommunicates faithful in the US and Italy? Who told Fr. Cyprian to throw Fr. Raphael out?....

    No Father, because you act delusionally, I will not deny you my absolution, nor refrain to offer you the kind of beer that I like(the bitter, Guinness type, I confess), come any time to my table, or hang out with me in front of an ice cream. I don’t think you are going to hell all that much, and if you don’t scrounge on me I can drain some of your whiskeys at the Singapore Priory, for the official SSPX has still some good bottles!

    Yours most bottly, battly and unbitterly.

    In Iesu et Maria,

    François Chazal+


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    I figured something like this was coming. Have a look at this rubbish:

    http://angeluspress.org/blog/?p=108

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    Indeed it is rubbish.

    I also find it interesting that when Fr. Rostand went on a "rampage" for a year in condemning anyone who goes on a "blog" to discuss the sspx crisis, that when Fr. Rostand couldn't defeat the "Truth" out there on the internet concerning the treasonous acts of the SSPX leaders, Fr. Rostand then starts a blog himself on his AngelusPress.org/blog; and to boot, he PAYS one of his employees (the editor - Mr. James Vogel) to run it, and PAYS him to "blog" in reply to anyone who does not tote the n-sspx party line.

    The hypocrisy becomes more and more blatant.  Especially, now that the "genie" is out of the bottle.

    To add to this, remember when Mr. Vogel did those Employee interviews with Fr. Rostand in the "against the rumors", yes Mr. Vogel is an employee of Fr. Rostand, but Mr. Vogel did want everyone to think that he was asking some "tough" questions; however, we now see Mr. Vogel on the "Angelus Press Blog" very much at bat in defending the n-sspx party line - more hypocrisy!

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  • The Angelus Press blog is really just Rostand's blog.  A vehicle of propaganda.  
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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  • This is explosive stuff.   Anyone who can't SMELL THE SKUNK is really dense.  



    There is going to be an explosion.  We are practically at critical mass already,
    and as Fr. Chazal says, when Bishop Tissier de Mallerais explodes, he goes
    nuclear.  Heads up.  


    We are in for a ROUGH RIDE - words of H.E. Williamson.




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  • This thing of Fr. Laisney is like a block of Swiss cheese - it's all full of holes.  

    Here is one of the hole-zones, right in the middle of the block:

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    Three months ago, I wrote in a text entitled Various churches? : “One can read [in one of their articles]: ‘That part alone of the visible Church is Catholic which is one, holy, universal and apostolic. The rest is various sorts of rot.’ Immediately the question is raised: is the Catholic Church merely ‘a part of the visible Church’? And this leads to another more fundamental question: is it legitimate to distinguish between the Catholic Church, Christ’s Church and the visible Church? On the contrary, does not the Catholic Faith oblige us to profess the identity between Christ’s Church, the CatholicChurch and the visible Church? Yes! Christ’s Church is the Catholic Church, and this Church is visible!” Such was the faith of Archbishop Lefebvre.



    Let's take a closer look.

    Fr. Laisney says he wrote a "text entitled Various churches?"  But Various
    Churches
    was the title of Eleison Comments CCLXXXI (281) 1 Dec. 2012.  

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    Three months ago, I wrote in a text entitled Various churches? : “One can read [in one of their articles]: ‘That part alone of the visible Church is Catholic which is one, holy, universal and apostolic. The rest is various sorts of rot.’


    That would be the EC of Fr. Laisney's senior bishop, +Williamson, to whom Fr.
    Laisney smugly refrains from identifying.  Gee.  I wonder why??

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    Immediately the question is raised: is the Catholic Church merely ‘a part of the visible Church’?


    This is fabulous.  Here Fr. Laisney and his Menzingen-denizens are hob-nobbing
    with the heretic authors of Vat.II which in DV8 it says this very thing, that, "The
    Church of Christ ... subsists in the Catholic Church," and here he is attempting
    to hurl this blasphemous epithet at +Williamson?  I hope he has a good confessor.

    That would be EC #281 "Various Churches":
    ...
    “Conciliar Church” means the God-centred Catholic Church as fallen and still falling under the sway of the man-centred Second Vatican Council. Conciliarism (the distilled error of Vatican II) bears the same relation to the true Church of Christ as the rot of a rotten apple bears to the apple which it is rotting. Just as rot occupies the apple, depends on the apple, cannot exist without the apple, yet is quite different from the apple (as uneatable is different from eatable), so man-centred Conciliarism so occupies Christ’s Church that little of the Church is not more or less rotten, yet Conciliarism is so different from Catholicism that one can truly say that the Conciliar Church is not the Catholic Church. But the Catholic Church is visible. Isn’t the Conciliar Church also visible ?

    “Visible Church” means all the buildings, officials and people of the Church that we can see with our eyes. But to say that the Catholic Church is visible, therefore the visible Church is the Catholic Church, is as foolish as to say that all lions are animals so all animals are lions. That part alone of the visible Church is Catholic which is one, holy, universal and apostolic. The rest is various sorts of rot.

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    And this leads to another more fundamental question: is it legitimate to distinguish between the Catholic Church, Christ’s Church and the visible Church? On the contrary, does not the Catholic Faith oblige us to profess the identity between Christ’s Church, the Catholic Church and the visible Church? Yes! Christ’s Church is the Catholic Church, and this Church is visible!” Such was the faith of Archbishop Lefebvre.



    But Bishop Williamson was not denying this.  Fr. Laisney is constructing a straw
    man that he then attacks, but it has nothing to do with the words of +W.





    Here is a fascinating tidbit:

    When I try to access the angelus press link,

    http://angeluspress.org/blog/?p=108

    ..my antivirus blocks access, with the warning:  

    Threat: HTML/ScrInject.B.Gen virus
    Information: connection terminated - quarantined


    I tried this several times and I get the same results consistently so it's not
    just a fluke.  I cannot access this page without a virus threat.

    If you are accessing the page, you are probably picking up the virus.  So
    get ready for consequences with your computer.


    So it looks like angelus Press is putting out a virus that will
    spy on what you do with your computer, then perhaps report back
    to them so they can give the information to Menzingen.




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    Indeed it is rubbish.


    Well stated.

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  • Neil Obstat

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    This is explosive stuff.  Anyone who can't SMELL THE SKUNK is really dense


    Who really believes it but I caution you on calling people dense. I had a phone call when I stated SSPX folk were stupid. It transpires  that folk were not aware of certain information yet I was hectored on the phone. How was I to know people had not informed themselves about happenings? It was a case of miscommunication.


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  • Of course  Fr Laisney became part of 'El Krahgate'. Did Fr Laisney ever answer the questions put to him by Veitas1961.

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    Dear Fr Laisney,
    I guess that it is fifteen years or more since we spoke together. I still have fond memories of that meeting, and I thank you once again for the small gift that you presented to me on that occasion. I wish you to bear in mind these opening lines given that you may take what comes after as an attack on your person or your integrity or both. I emphasise now that neither one nor the other is being called into question.
    There follows what is alleged to be a letter from you to an unknown correspondent. It was posted on the English language forum, Ignis Ardens, by “Credo” on December 16, 2010, at 04:07 PM. In posting this purported letter from you, “Credo” made it clear that it had been sent to him anonymously with the request that it be posted on the internet. Viewing the content and deeming it worthy of posting, he did so but he did not guarantee its authenticity for the good reason that ONLY YOU could guarantee that it was your work. After its posting, I took direct communication with “Credo” and asked him did he have any knowledge of either the unknown correspondent or the anonymous person requesting its posting. The answer to both questions was in the negative. In his defence, he pointed out that you were a known figure in the SSPX, that you had addressed a subject that was a major issue in Tradition right now, and he saw nothing that smacked of rumour, hearsay or bad faith in the posting. I would also point out that Ignis Ardens has been in existence for a good number of years and it has earned, unlike other forums in Tradition, a reputation for moderation in expression as well as a deep loyalty to the Catholic heritage handed down by Archbishop Lefebvre.


    My first request of you, then, is to ask you to read the unedited letter below:
    I am apalled at the art to raise unsubstantiated suspicions and calumnies! I quote: "Two of his fellow senior Bishops, Bishop Williamson and Bishop Tissier de Mallerais do not appear to be on any boards representing SSPX assets, which indeed appears odd." Bishop Williamson used to be a member of our association at Winona so long as he was the superior there; he was also on several local associations in the N.E. USA so long as they were served by the seminary. Bishop Tissier was in many companies when he was secretary general. And I was also in many companies when I was district superior in USA, or bursar general. But in the SSPX, we hold positions in companies by virtue of our office in the SSPX, not in our personal name; so when we change office, our successor takes our place in these companies. NOTHING ODD there at all, on the contrary! This is precisely the spirit of poverty and detachment befitting priests and ministers of Christ. Another example of calumnies: "The fact that the SSPX appears to be involved in international financial markets..." Sorry, this is simply not true. Assets management was the purpose of the company mentioned at the previous paragraph; how did "asset management" become "involvement in international financial markets" is precisely how calumnies start... Again, as previous bursar general, I can testify that the SSPX is NOT involved in financial markets speculation or usury of any kind! On the contrary, we strive to avoid the financial world; thus if a chapel has some savings, we organise that it be lent to another chapel that had a debt, either at no interest at all, or at low interest to offset devaluation. Thus even that low interest that one chapel pays still goes to help another chapel's future projects: the collections of the faithful do not go to feed the bankers, but rather to foster good Catholic projects. Maximilian Krah is one of our faithful, and an competent attorney that has helped us many times before in cases mainly dealing with legacies in our favour, contested by others. He successfully defended our rights. He gives us competent "legal counsels" especially in matters of legacies in the German speaking world; there is nothing unusual at that at all, on the contrary (we have similar legal counsels in each big district: France, USA... usually our faithful. Honesty and competence is the criteria, not political views). Note that Mr. Krah's involvement with the CDU consisted in a donation to a convent (Kloster St Marienthal): if that is the only thing you found against him, that is not much to worry... Mr Krah is not a Jєω, though he may have some Jєωιѕн friends, which is not uncommon in the legal world. If DICI said that Wolfram Nahrath was linked to neo-nαzιs, it was not because of his link with the NPD, but rather with his link with two other groups (Bishop Fellay told me the names, but I don't remember, one of them has the word "viking" in it), one of them has already been condemned in Germany for being neo-nαzι. Bishop Fellay did the right thing in requesting that he be dismissed. Bishop Williamson obeyed; this also was the right thing. Deo gratias. "Our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places" (Eph 6:12). We fight for the Faith, for the Mass, for the supernatural truth and grace, relying on the testimony of God. Historical facts are not at that level, they rely on the testimony of men, we leave that to the historians. May Our Lady of Fatima help us not to be sidetracked from our duty. Father François Laisney


    A FEW QUESTIONS
    1. Can you please confirm for me that you are the author of this letter?
    2. If the answer is in the negative, can you explain why anybody would undertake to write a letter in your name given that hitherto your name had not been mentioned in the matter of what is now known as “Krahgate”?
    If you did not write this letter, your reply will be put into “The Complete Krahgate File” which is to be found highlighted in red under the “Pinned Threads” section of the “General Discussion” category of Ignis Ardens at http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/i...php?showforum=1 Should you not be the author of the letter, you may rest assured that members of Ignis Ardens and others will begin an exhaustive search for the perpetrator of this wanton lie.


    However, knowing you, I believe that the language and content does appear to coincide with your style, while some of the information given in this letter demonstrates knowledge that was not previously in the public arena and therefore demands explanation. I will as a result present a list of questions to you based exclusively on “your” letter and invite you to reply publicly to them. If I prove to be wrong in this matter of authorship, I will apologise to you on this forum without any kind of mental reservation, and offer a rosary for your intentions by way of reparation.
    1. The opening sentence begins: “I am apalled at the art to raise unsubstantiated suspicions and calumnies!” Forgive me, Father, but I have to ask you to highlight the alleged “calumnies.” In “The Complete Krahgate File,” there are no calumnies of any kind. What has been laid out, by myself and others, are facts that are IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN, CAN BE ACCESSED BY ANYONE ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD, ARE SITES ABOVE SUSPICION OF ANY KIND (no blogs, no questionable websites etc) AND HENCE ARE IRREFUTABLE. It is upon these substantiated facts (please note, Father, the word “substantiated”) that a series of important questions have been directed towards the final authority in the SSPX, Bishop Fellay. Furthermore these questions have avoided accusation, smear, charge, personal denigration, slander or defamation. Indeed the original posting by “William of Norwich” on this matter at the end of November 2010 ended with this statement: “There is no malice meant or intended in this communication. There is quite simply a tremendous fear for the future of the SSPX and its direction.” Respectful questioning of authority, based upon public docuмentation of unquestionable authenticity and transparency, does not in Catholic moral teaching amount to “calumny.” So: please substantiate by proofs, by examples, not assertions, that these docuмents posted by faithful members of Catholic Tradition contained calumnies.


    2. The second sentence states: “Two of his fellow senior Bishops, Bishop Williamson and Bishop Tissier de Mallerais do not appear to be on any boards representing SSPX assets, which indeed appears odd.” I have used the “Find” function on my computer to seek this sentence within the docuмentation that comprises “The Complete Krahgate File” and I can find it only once: in the letter that you purportedly wrote and which was placed under the heading “Putative Replies.” I can only assume that this phrase appeared in some comment or other of the many hundreds of comments that have been made on Ignis Ardens, or that you have seen this phrase elsewhere in the blogosphere. If it came in such a comment on Ignis Ardens, I have no memory of it. But the issue is that it is only that: a comment and no more. It no more comprises the information brought to light on a number of vital matters concerning the SSPX than your statement that “calumny” appears as information. So: perhaps you can identify the source of this phrase for us?


    3. More importantly, however, is a statement that you make: “But in the SSPX, we hold positions in companies by virtue of our office in the SSPX, not in our personal name; so when we change office, our successor takes our place in these companies. NOTHING ODD there at all, on the contrary!” I think, Father, that you have misunderstood the concerns of the faithful in a number of ways. First, nobody has questioned the need for the SSPX to possess legally established structures to protect its assets so as to further the mission of the Society. Second, most of us who have been SSPX supporters for decades are well aware of the fact that such structures have existed for decades as well. Third, nobody has suggested that there was or is anything irregular in SSPX personnel holding office at different times, for differing durations, and in different legal structures. What is being questioned, and which you have studiously avoided in my honest but respectful opinion, are the following points: First, why is someone like Mr Krah, a layman, of only a few years attendance at SSPX masses, who has a known political profile in Germany, and who has questionable contacts for someone who describes himself as “an unimpeachable catholic” in a position of such important authority? Second, and more importantly, the questions posed about business structures were directed almost exclusively to discovering something about two legal structures, Dello Sarto and the Jaidhofer Privatstiftung, in which Mr Krah is involved, whose role in both is vague at best, and both of which structures are of very recent origin. Dello Sarto was established in 2009 and the Jaidhofer Privatstiftung in 2006, the timeframe during which Mr Krah appeared on the SSPX scene. That you chose not to address these questions, THE ESSENTIAL QUESTIONS OF THE WHOLE KRAHGATE AFFAIR, but talked about various small legal associations in different districts, has not calmed the fears among the faithful worldwide at all. On the contrary, the apparent evasion of such questions has heightened the very “suspicions” that you have deplored! It may be, naturally, that you read the essential posts rapidly and fired off your reply to your unknown correspondent too rapidly. If that is so, you have the opportunity now to present a more considered response to these important matters, and I would urge you to do so because silence will only encourage further speculation – something that is not desired nor desirable.


    4. You state: “Another example of calumnies: “The fact that the SSPX appears to be involved in international financial markets...” Sorry, this is simply not true.” I take it that you mean that the SSPX is NOT involved in international financial markets, and for that information we are both grateful and relieved. However, there was no calumny involved at all. The poster, “William of Norwich,” just said that it “appears to be.” This is NOT a statement of fact, it is a CONDITIONAL statement based on what was found at Link: Dello Sarto AG
    http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl...D813%26prmd%3Db


    5. However another question logically arises. If Dello Sarto is only concerned with “asset management” in the limited sense that you give it, why was the company so recently set up at all and which employed the services of a Zurich based law firm? Their website, http://www.internationallawoffice.com/dire...47-4d5d5e739909 shows that this company is large, high-powered and clearly expensive. It seems to an outsider something like overkill. Moreover, another question remains: why were none of the other “asset management” companies set up years ago by the SSPX not used? What is it about the purpose of Dello Sarto that none of the other structures could cover? And what in the nature of Dello Sarto necessitated the employment of Mr Krah as its manager? Could not a suitably qualified cleric have done this job? After all your description of the work involved - “we strive to avoid the financial world; thus if a chapel has some savings, we organise that it be lent to another chapel that had a debt, either at no interest at all, or at low interest to offset devaluation. Thus even that low interest that one chapel pays still goes to help another chapel's future projects” - does not strike me as particularly onerous nor requiring the services of an internationally connected law firm. Perhaps you would like to clarify these matters in order that we, the faithful, the people who actually supply the money to the SSPX to allow “asset management” to become necessary, have our minds put to rest?



    6. You make this statement: “Again, as previous bursar general, I can testify that the SSPX is NOT involved in financial markets speculation or usury of any kind!” With all due respect, I am sorry to tell you Father that that is not something that you can substantiate. You can certainly say that there was no speculation or usury DURING YOUR TIME as bursar, but you CANNOT testify to something after your bursarship finished. How long has it been since you ceased to be bursar? Five years? Eight years? Ten years? This is not an attack on you, it is only to say that NO PERSON once he has left any post can testify to what happened AFTER his departure. Your good faith is NOT being called into question here. What is being called into question is your competence to make such a wide-ranging assertion.


    7. In reference to Mr Krah you say: “He gives us competent "legal counsels" especially in matters of legacies in the German speaking world.” Upon what do you base this statement regarding his alleged competence? Is it upon what you have personally witnessed through interaction with him, or is it based only upon what you have been told?


    8. You write:“Mr Krah is not a Jєω, though he may have some Jєωιѕн friends, which is not uncommon in the legal world.” What is the basis of your statement that Mr Krah is not a Jєω? Mr Krah in a statement posted on December 28 2010, at 02:12 PM on Ignis Ardens made a number of statements, but at no point did he deny that he was a Jєω? He only asserted that he was a Catholic. Well, Cardinal Lustiger called himself a Catholic, did he not, but he equally asserted that he was a Jєω? Given that this was one of the more astonishing statements made by “William of Norwich” does it not strike you as significant that Mr Krah did not make plain his – according to you – non-Jєωιѕн status? It could hardly be construed as the oversight of a very minor detail can it? Moreover, while you assert that Mr Krah is not a Jєω, you give no evidence, circuмstantial or otherwise, to support this assertion. You cannot say that he denied it, because in his one and only public statement he has not done so. Nor can you retort that “William of Norwich” is in the same boat as you: making an assertion without any kind of evidence. “William of Norwich” gave the following link by way of support: Link: American Friends of Tel Aviv University
    http://www.aftau.org/site/PageServer?pagen...0_AlumniAuction If you would care to look carefully at all of the photographs available at this link, you will see that every person has been named. I do not believe that one has to be an expert in family names to recognise that they are all Jєωιѕн, at a Jєωιѕн event, in the city with the highest Jєωιѕн population in the world (Israel notwithstanding), and supporting the work of an Israeli university that is dominated by the Israeli security forces which have a long history of anti-Catholic and anti-Christian activity of the most murderous kind. Is it really credible, in the absence of a forthright denial by Mr Krah of being Jєωιѕн, to believe, as you clearly believe, that he was the only NON-Jєω present?

    9. A small but related question: You said that “ he MAY have some Jєωιѕн friends.” “William of Norwich” showed beyond any doubt that he DOES through the link just cited. One question, since I assume that you must know Mr Krah to make these statements, is this: would he happen to be a friend of Mischa Morgenbesser, a lawyer with BADERTSCHER Rechtsanwälte AG (Zurich), who is the sole Hebrew speaker with the firm, the firm that advises the SSPX in relation to Dello Sarto? Do you know if this firm was suggested by Mr Krah to the leadership of the SSPX?


    10. In your letter you comment: “Note that Mr. Krah's involvement with the CDU consisted in a donation to a convent (Kloster St Marienthal): if that is the only thing you found against him, that is not much to worry.” My dear Father Laisney, this one sentence alone leads to several questions and which, at the same time, raises questions about your actual knowledge and intimacy with the whole affair. Let me explain. Mr Krah’s involvement with the CDU was NOT limited to seeking a donation for the convent of St. Marienthal. If you went to the link given by “William of Norwich” concerning Mr Krah and his actual relations with the CDU, you would see that according to the “Journal of the Dresdener Union” (the July/August 2005 number) Mr Krah was elected the Pressesprecher, Press Officer, for Dresden’s CDU governing committee in June 2005 with 81.66% of the branch’s membership. Moreover, the May 2006 number of the same “Journal” reveals that he had by then become a member of the editorial board of the “Journal.” Mr Krah’s involvement with politics does not concern me greatly beyond the fact that the CDU is neither Christian in any sense worthy of the name, nor is it democratic in any profound sense. But it is clearly anti-Catholic when it wishes to be, as the occasion when Angela Merkel publicly rebuked the Pope about the so-called “rehabilitation” of Mgr Williamson demonstrates – a public scandal about which the SSPX has said little or nothing, made all the more worrying given the cant of the CDU about the “benefits” of the separation of Church and State. I would invite you to check these details for yourself, but since “William of Norwich” posted the CDU/Krah link it has mysteriously disappeared from the internet. However, one brave Catholic soul had the foresight to save the two files about the CDU cited, and they will be posted to”The Complete Krahgate File” in the near future so that you and others may see the facts for yourself.


    11. There is, however, one surprising thing in your sentence. You make reference to the Kloster St. Marienthal and say that Krah’s only involvement in the CDU was to seek donations for it. Let us leave aside the fact that the St. Marienthal Convent, the oldest women’s Cistercian monastery in Germany, is a conciliar structure and seems to be more a place for hosting conferences on “Justice, Peace, Ecology” and the rest of the conciliar agenda, than a place full of nuns working out their salvation in prayer and sacrifice; let us leave aside also the fact that one wonders why a person who claims to be a traditional Catholic would seek to raise money for a conciliar structure when undoubtedly there are better claims to be made for SSPX structures in Germany; let us leave aside as well that the Convent in question is less than a hour’s drive from Krah’s home, is incredibly beautiful, a glory to the faith, clearly worth a financial fortune if put on the market, and is run by a “Board of Trustees,” the composition of which I have not been able to identify as yet, and come to one crucial question. At NO POINT in “The Complete Krahgate File” or anywhere else on Ignis Ardens was ANY REFERENCE MADE TO THIS CONVENT AND KRAH MAKING AN APPEAL FOR FUNDS FOR IT! The convent is not mentioned in either of the two CDU files that were available online until they disappeared. So your statement is a piece of information that none of us were aware of, and we would invite you to let us know how you came across this information? It may be of little importance, but given that Mr Krah appears to have many fingers in many pies, one can never be sure that that is so.


    12. Although I could ask you another half dozen questions on the basis of your short letter, I will confine myself to just one more. You say in relation to Mr Krah, and by implication to others, that when the SSPX requires legal advice and assistance that “Honesty and competence is the criteria, not political views.” To that I am sure that I speak for all supporters of the SSPX when I say “Amen.” Thus, Mr Krah, if he were both honest and competent and available to the SSPX, would be a good choice irrespective of his political affiliation – and no traditionalist could or would argue with that decision. The problem, however, is twofold. First, Mr Krah’s choice of Matthias Lossmann as counsel for Mgr. Williamson in the trial of April 2010 did not show competence at all. What it demonstrated was a woeful inability or will to find someone who would address the issues pertaining to Williamson’s case: namely the manifest deficiency of German law as it pertained to this particular case. It had nothing effectively to do with so-called “h0Ɩ0cαųst denial” but everything to do with whether or not Mgr. Williamson fell within the bounds of the law being evoked by the Regensburg court. That woeful decision cost Mgr. Williamson a great deal, and we can only speculate as to whether Mr Krah’s clear incompetence was honest or dishonest. On that God alone knows. The second problem with your position of “Honesty and competence is the criteria, not political views” is contradicted by actual facts. Put simply if Mr Krah, appointed by Mgr. Fellay, was good enough for the job, in theory, to deal with Mgr. Williamson’s case in the first instance, despite his open affiliation with the CDU, why was Mr Nahrath, chosen by Williamson in the second instance, unacceptable to Mgr. Fellay. It cannot be seriously argued that Mr Nahrath was not competent in such delicate [in Germany] matters, for his success in Germany, even in 2010, in such questions is a matter of public record. Neither can his honesty be seriously impugned since it is evident that, unlike Messrs. Krah and Lossmann, he risks in a very real way his liberty every time he takes on a “controversial case.” You say that Mr Nahrath was not unacceptable, not because of his affiliation with the NPD, a legal political party in Germany, but with something called “Viking” though you could not remember the name that Mgr. Fellay mentioned to you. The name is, of course, “Viking Youth” which any Google search would have given you. What is remarkable is that Mgr. Fellay should make Nahrath’s political leadership of the Viking Youth the pretext for denying Mgr. Williamson good, honest and legal counsel. The Viking Youth was banned in 1994, sixteen years ago! Would anyone suggest that Fr. Schmidberger was unfit to hold high office in the SSPX because of his activity in a sedevacantist youth group many years ago? Would anyone suggest that Mgr. Lefebvre was unfit to be the founder of the SSPX because he praised Marshal Petain and a number of other political figures, now regarded as “politically incorrect”? I do not think so. Does it not strike you, my dear father, that what Mgr. Williamson required was a decent lawyer; and does it not strike you as unacceptable, as shown in “The Complete Krahgate File”, that Mr Krah – the self-confessed “unimpeachable catholic” - should have made Nahrath’s appointment known to Der Spiegel within the hour of his appointment?


    My dear Father Laisney, I suspect that while you may believe what you have written in this letter, you are acting upon the basis of third hand information. If it was designed to bring serenity to Catholic souls it failed completely. The information and related questions outlined in this email prove, I believe, that there is much still to be unmasked in the Krahgate Affair in the quest for the truth, a truth that the praying, obeying and paying faithful have an absolute right to receive.
    I reiterate what I said at the outset. There is no intention to accuse you of anything improper or immoral. Indeed your entry into the picture with your letter was a surprise to everybody since you had never been mentioned in connection with Krahgate. What I would exhort you to do is to furnish the faithful with answers to the above queries, and to the best of your knowledge and ability. Failing that, perhaps you could ask the SSPX leadership to answer these and other questions in order to bring a peaceful end to what is, quite frankly, one of the most disturbing episodes in the life of Society in decades.

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    This is explosive stuff.  Anyone who can't SMELL THE SKUNK is really dense


    Who really believes it but I caution you on calling people dense. I had a phone call when I stated SSPX folk were stupid. It transpires  that folk were not aware of certain information yet I was hectored on the phone. How was I to know people had not informed themselves about happenings? It was a case of miscommunication.


    Okay, it might be unfair to say they're dense.  But I think "uninformed" is not
    really fair either.  In this age of Internet and Google, anyone who continues to
    be uninformed has to be willfully so.  Ultimately, it comes down to the
    Machiavellian tactics (more lately referred to as "KGB" tactics), employed by
    the Menzingen-denizens, who are bent on keeping the sheeple dumbed-down.....
    or is it the Machiavellian-KGB-Menzingen-denizens?

    Maybe I should get a phone call for calling people that!  

    But that would presume the Machiavellian-KGB-Menzingen-denizens have my
    phone number!    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA














    Let Father Rostand come on CI right here,
    and explain his penchant to me.

    (But he won't, and out of a concern for the readers I won't say why he won't.)



    Like Buggs Bunny could say, I'M ALL EARS!




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    Okay, it might be unfair to say they're dense.  But I think "uninformed" is not
    really fair either.  In this age of Internet and Google, anyone who continues to
    be uninformed has to be willfully so


    I agree of course and at this stage it is a case of "Which Side Are You On?" One is either for an agreement or not.

    I was admonished for judging. You can't win, can you? I made the point some will stick with Bishop Fellay regardless. It's better to stick within a comfort zone than launch out into the deep.

    Apart from pray for them, there is not much more you can do for those who want an agreement. It is not as if you can physically beat it into them.

    You can give them a copy of  The Recusant, inform them about the Carmel, the priests in France etc etc. It's rather repetitive though to be fair very few want an agreement.

    How anyone can be for the deal beggars belief? Offer it up for them. I don't get it.


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  • That's what I get for posting in haste.  It should say Fr. Laisney, not Rostand.

    Whatever.


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    Okay, it might be unfair to say they're dense.  But I think "uninformed" is not
    really fair either.  In this age of Internet and Google, anyone who continues to
    be uninformed has to be willfully so


    I agree of course and at this stage it is a case of "Which Side Are You On?" One is either for an agreement or not.

    I was admonished for judging. You can't win, can you? I made the point some will stick with Bishop Fellay regardless. It's better to stick within a comfort zone than launch out into the deep.

    Apart from pray for them, there is not much more you can do for those who want an agreement. It is not as if you can physically beat it into them.

    You can give them a copy of  The Recusant, inform them about the Carmel, the priests in France etc etc. It's rather repetitive though to be fair very few want an agreement.

    How anyone can be for the deal beggars belief? Offer it up for them. I don't get it.


    I concur.  I don't get it either.  It boggles the mind.  Like Fr. Gruner says, there
    must be some key fact, or some number of facts that they don't know, and if
    they did, it would make a world of difference.  That's what he figures must be
    in the Third Secret - some key fact that blows the Deception sky high.

    As for "very few want an agreement," I suspect you're right.  As for the rest
    who somehow refrain from thinking about it, like Scarlet O'Hara, or worse,
    those few who say "a practical agreement," as though it was a workable idea,
    I believe they simply have not thought through the consequences.  

    They have not got to the point of imagining what being subject to the local
    jurisdiction of the Novordien lunatics would be like.  Nor are they willing to
    even "go there."  

    This should be a project.  I don't think I'm qualified.  But someone needs to
    put together a list of consequences to being under the local bishop's jurisdiction.

    This fantasy of the SSPX having their own durable jurisdiction after an
    apostolic administration practical agreement is a bunch of rubbish, just like the
    block of Swiss cheese in the OP is.



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    Okay, it might be unfair to say they're dense.  But I think "uninformed" is not
    really fair either.  In this age of Internet and Google, anyone who continues to
    be uninformed has to be willfully so


    I agree of course and at this stage it is a case of "Which Side Are You On?" One is either for an agreement or not.

    I was admonished for judging. You can't win, can you? I made the point some will stick with Bishop Fellay regardless. It's better to stick within a comfort zone than launch out into the deep.

    Apart from pray for them, there is not much more you can do for those who want an agreement. It is not as if you can physically beat it into them.

    You can give them a copy of  The Recusant, inform them about the Carmel, the priests in France etc etc. It's rather repetitive though to be fair very few want an agreement.

    How anyone can be for the deal beggars belief? Offer it up for them. I don't get it.


    I concur.  I don't get it either.  It boggles the mind.  Like Fr. Gruner says, there
    must be some key fact, or some number of facts that they don't know, and if
    they did, it would make a world of difference.  That's what he figures must be
    in the Third Secret - some key fact that blows the Deception sky high.

    As for "very few want an agreement," I suspect you're right.  As for the rest
    who somehow refrain from thinking about it, like Scarlet O'Hara, or worse,
    those few who say "a practical agreement," as though it was a workable idea,
    I believe they simply have not thought through the consequences.  

    They have not got to the point of imagining what being subject to the local
    jurisdiction of the Novordien lunatics would be like.  Nor are they willing to
    even "go there."  

    This should be a project.  I don't think I'm qualified.  But someone needs to
    put together a list of consequences to being under the local bishop's jurisdiction.

    This fantasy of the SSPX having their own durable jurisdiction after an
    apostolic administration practical agreement is a bunch of rubbish, just like the
    block of Swiss cheese in the OP is.





    I haven't encountered people, who are for an agreement or speak favourably of Bishop Fellay. I prefer the company of "Rad-Trads".

    What I do regret though is avoiding people because I assumed they are pro-deal. I was informed they are anti.

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    Dear Fr Laisney,
    I guess that it is fifteen years or more since we spoke together. I still have fond memories of that meeting, and I thank you once again for the small gift that you presented to me on that occasion. I wish you to bear in mind these opening lines given that you may take what comes after as an attack on your person or your integrity or both. I emphasise now that neither one nor the other is being called into question.
    There follows what is alleged to be a letter from you to an unknown correspondent. It was posted on the English language forum, Ignis Ardens, by “Credo” on December 16, 2010, at 04:07 PM. In posting this purported letter from you, “Credo” made it clear that it had been sent to him anonymously with the request that it be posted on the internet. Viewing the content and deeming it worthy of posting, he did so but he did not guarantee its authenticity for the good reason that ONLY YOU could guarantee that it was your work. After its posting, I took direct communication with “Credo” and asked him did he have any knowledge of either the unknown correspondent or the anonymous person requesting its posting. The answer to both questions was in the negative. In his defence, he pointed out that you were a known figure in the SSPX, that you had addressed a subject that was a major issue in Tradition right now, and he saw nothing that smacked of rumour, hearsay or bad faith in the posting. I would also point out that Ignis Ardens has been in existence for a good number of years and it has earned, unlike other forums in Tradition, a reputation for moderation in expression as well as a deep loyalty to the Catholic heritage handed down by Archbishop Lefebvre.


    My first request of you, then, is to ask you to read the unedited letter below:
    I am apalled at the art to raise unsubstantiated suspicions and calumnies! I quote: "Two of his fellow senior Bishops, Bishop Williamson and Bishop Tissier de Mallerais do not appear to be on any boards representing SSPX assets, which indeed appears odd." Bishop Williamson used to be a member of our association at Winona so long as he was the superior there; he was also on several local associations in the N.E. USA so long as they were served by the seminary. Bishop Tissier was in many companies when he was secretary general. And I was also in many companies when I was district superior in USA, or bursar general. But in the SSPX, we hold positions in companies by virtue of our office in the SSPX, not in our personal name; so when we change office, our successor takes our place in these companies. NOTHING ODD there at all, on the contrary! This is precisely the spirit of poverty and detachment befitting priests and ministers of Christ. Another example of calumnies: "The fact that the SSPX appears to be involved in international financial markets..." Sorry, this is simply not true. Assets management was the purpose of the company mentioned at the previous paragraph; how did "asset management" become "involvement in international financial markets" is precisely how calumnies start... Again, as previous bursar general, I can testify that the SSPX is NOT involved in financial markets speculation or usury of any kind! On the contrary, we strive to avoid the financial world; thus if a chapel has some savings, we organise that it be lent to another chapel that had a debt, either at no interest at all, or at low interest to offset devaluation. Thus even that low interest that one chapel pays still goes to help another chapel's future projects: the collections of the faithful do not go to feed the bankers, but rather to foster good Catholic projects. Maximilian Krah is one of our faithful, and an competent attorney that has helped us many times before in cases mainly dealing with legacies in our favour, contested by others. He successfully defended our rights. He gives us competent "legal counsels" especially in matters of legacies in the German speaking world; there is nothing unusual at that at all, on the contrary (we have similar legal counsels in each big district: France, USA... usually our faithful. Honesty and competence is the criteria, not political views). Note that Mr. Krah's involvement with the CDU consisted in a donation to a convent (Kloster St Marienthal): if that is the only thing you found against him, that is not much to worry... Mr Krah is not a Jєω, though he may have some Jєωιѕн friends, which is not uncommon in the legal world. If DICI said that Wolfram Nahrath was linked to neo-nαzιs, it was not because of his link with the NPD, but rather with his link with two other groups (Bishop Fellay told me the names, but I don't remember, one of them has the word "viking" in it), one of them has already been condemned in Germany for being neo-nαzι. Bishop Fellay did the right thing in requesting that he be dismissed. Bishop Williamson obeyed; this also was the right thing. Deo gratias. "Our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places" (Eph 6:12). We fight for the Faith, for the Mass, for the supernatural truth and grace, relying on the testimony of God. Historical facts are not at that level, they rely on the testimony of men, we leave that to the historians. May Our Lady of Fatima help us not to be sidetracked from our duty. Father François Laisney


    A FEW QUESTIONS
    1. Can you please confirm for me that you are the author of this letter?
    2. If the answer is in the negative, can you explain why anybody would undertake to write a letter in your name given that hitherto your name had not been mentioned in the matter of what is now known as “Krahgate”?
    If you did not write this letter, your reply will be put into “The Complete Krahgate File” which is to be found highlighted in red under the “Pinned Threads” section of the “General Discussion” category of Ignis Ardens at http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/i...php?showforum=1 Should you not be the author of the letter, you may rest assured that members of Ignis Ardens and others will begin an exhaustive search for the perpetrator of this wanton lie.


    However, knowing you, I believe that the language and content does appear to coincide with your style, while some of the information given in this letter demonstrates knowledge that was not previously in the public arena and therefore demands explanation. I will as a result present a list of questions to you based exclusively on “your” letter and invite you to reply publicly to them. If I prove to be wrong in this matter of authorship, I will apologise to you on this forum without any kind of mental reservation, and offer a rosary for your intentions by way of reparation.
    1. The opening sentence begins: “I am apalled at the art to raise unsubstantiated suspicions and calumnies!” Forgive me, Father, but I have to ask you to highlight the alleged “calumnies.” In “The Complete Krahgate File,” there are no calumnies of any kind. What has been laid out, by myself and others, are facts that are IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN, CAN BE ACCESSED BY ANYONE ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD, ARE SITES ABOVE SUSPICION OF ANY KIND (no blogs, no questionable websites etc) AND HENCE ARE IRREFUTABLE. It is upon these substantiated facts (please note, Father, the word “substantiated”) that a series of important questions have been directed towards the final authority in the SSPX, Bishop Fellay. Furthermore these questions have avoided accusation, smear, charge, personal denigration, slander or defamation. Indeed the original posting by “William of Norwich” on this matter at the end of November 2010 ended with this statement: “There is no malice meant or intended in this communication. There is quite simply a tremendous fear for the future of the SSPX and its direction.” Respectful questioning of authority, based upon public docuмentation of unquestionable authenticity and transparency, does not in Catholic moral teaching amount to “calumny.” So: please substantiate by proofs, by examples, not assertions, that these docuмents posted by faithful members of Catholic Tradition contained calumnies.


    2. The second sentence states: “Two of his fellow senior Bishops, Bishop Williamson and Bishop Tissier de Mallerais do not appear to be on any boards representing SSPX assets, which indeed appears odd.” I have used the “Find” function on my computer to seek this sentence within the docuмentation that comprises “The Complete Krahgate File” and I can find it only once: in the letter that you purportedly wrote and which was placed under the heading “Putative Replies.” I can only assume that this phrase appeared in some comment or other of the many hundreds of comments that have been made on Ignis Ardens, or that you have seen this phrase elsewhere in the blogosphere. If it came in such a comment on Ignis Ardens, I have no memory of it. But the issue is that it is only that: a comment and no more. It no more comprises the information brought to light on a number of vital matters concerning the SSPX than your statement that “calumny” appears as information. So: perhaps you can identify the source of this phrase for us?


    3. More importantly, however, is a statement that you make: “But in the SSPX, we hold positions in companies by virtue of our office in the SSPX, not in our personal name; so when we change office, our successor takes our place in these companies. NOTHING ODD there at all, on the contrary!” I think, Father, that you have misunderstood the concerns of the faithful in a number of ways. First, nobody has questioned the need for the SSPX to possess legally established structures to protect its assets so as to further the mission of the Society. Second, most of us who have been SSPX supporters for decades are well aware of the fact that such structures have existed for decades as well. Third, nobody has suggested that there was or is anything irregular in SSPX personnel holding office at different times, for differing durations, and in different legal structures. What is being questioned, and which you have studiously avoided in my honest but respectful opinion, are the following points: First, why is someone like Mr Krah, a layman, of only a few years attendance at SSPX masses, who has a known political profile in Germany, and who has questionable contacts for someone who describes himself as “an unimpeachable catholic” in a position of such important authority? Second, and more importantly, the questions posed about business structures were directed almost exclusively to discovering something about two legal structures, Dello Sarto and the Jaidhofer Privatstiftung, in which Mr Krah is involved, whose role in both is vague at best, and both of which structures are of very recent origin. Dello Sarto was established in 2009 and the Jaidhofer Privatstiftung in 2006, the timeframe during which Mr Krah appeared on the SSPX scene. That you chose not to address these questions, THE ESSENTIAL QUESTIONS OF THE WHOLE KRAHGATE AFFAIR, but talked about various small legal associations in different districts, has not calmed the fears among the faithful worldwide at all. On the contrary, the apparent evasion of such questions has heightened the very “suspicions” that you have deplored! It may be, naturally, that you read the essential posts rapidly and fired off your reply to your unknown correspondent too rapidly. If that is so, you have the opportunity now to present a more considered response to these important matters, and I would urge you to do so because silence will only encourage further speculation – something that is not desired nor desirable.


    4. You state: “Another example of calumnies: “The fact that the SSPX appears to be involved in international financial markets...” Sorry, this is simply not true.” I take it that you mean that the SSPX is NOT involved in international financial markets, and for that information we are both grateful and relieved. However, there was no calumny involved at all. The poster, “William of Norwich,” just said that it “appears to be.” This is NOT a statement of fact, it is a CONDITIONAL statement based on what was found at Link: Dello Sarto AG
    http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl...D813%26prmd%3Db


    5. However another question logically arises. If Dello Sarto is only concerned with “asset management” in the limited sense that you give it, why was the company so recently set up at all and which employed the services of a Zurich based law firm? Their website, http://www.internationallawoffice.com/dire...47-4d5d5e739909 shows that this company is large, high-powered and clearly expensive. It seems to an outsider something like overkill. Moreover, another question remains: why were none of the other “asset management” companies set up years ago by the SSPX not used? What is it about the purpose of Dello Sarto that none of the other structures could cover? And what in the nature of Dello Sarto necessitated the employment of Mr Krah as its manager? Could not a suitably qualified cleric have done this job? After all your description of the work involved - “we strive to avoid the financial world; thus if a chapel has some savings, we organise that it be lent to another chapel that had a debt, either at no interest at all, or at low interest to offset devaluation. Thus even that low interest that one chapel pays still goes to help another chapel's future projects” - does not strike me as particularly onerous nor requiring the services of an internationally connected law firm. Perhaps you would like to clarify these matters in order that we, the faithful, the people who actually supply the money to the SSPX to allow “asset management” to become necessary, have our minds put to rest?



    6. You make this statement: “Again, as previous bursar general, I can testify that the SSPX is NOT involved in financial markets speculation or usury of any kind!” With all due respect, I am sorry to tell you Father that that is not something that you can substantiate. You can certainly say that there was no speculation or usury DURING YOUR TIME as bursar, but you CANNOT testify to something after your bursarship finished. How long has it been since you ceased to be bursar? Five years? Eight years? Ten years? This is not an attack on you, it is only to say that NO PERSON once he has left any post can testify to what happened AFTER his departure. Your good faith is NOT being called into question here. What is being called into question is your competence to make such a wide-ranging assertion.


    7. In reference to Mr Krah you say: “He gives us competent "legal counsels" especially in matters of legacies in the German speaking world.” Upon what do you base this statement regarding his alleged competence? Is it upon what you have personally witnessed through interaction with him, or is it based only upon what you have been told?


    8. You write:“Mr Krah is not a Jєω, though he may have some Jєωιѕн friends, which is not uncommon in the legal world.” What is the basis of your statement that Mr Krah is not a Jєω? Mr Krah in a statement posted on December 28 2010, at 02:12 PM on Ignis Ardens made a number of statements, but at no point did he deny that he was a Jєω? He only asserted that he was a Catholic. Well, Cardinal Lustiger called himself a Catholic, did he not, but he equally asserted that he was a Jєω? Given that this was one of the more astonishing statements made by “William of Norwich” does it not strike you as significant that Mr Krah did not make plain his – according to you – non-Jєωιѕн status? It could hardly be construed as the oversight of a very minor detail can it? Moreover, while you assert that Mr Krah is not a Jєω, you give no evidence, circuмstantial or otherwise, to support this assertion. You cannot say that he denied it, because in his one and only public statement he has not done so. Nor can you retort that “William of Norwich” is in the same boat as you: making an assertion without any kind of evidence. “William of Norwich” gave the following link by way of support: Link: American Friends of Tel Aviv University
    http://www.aftau.org/site/PageServer?pagen...0_AlumniAuction If you would care to look carefully at all of the photographs available at this link, you will see that every person has been named. I do not believe that one has to be an expert in family names to recognise that they are all Jєωιѕн, at a Jєωιѕн event, in the city with the highest Jєωιѕн population in the world (Israel notwithstanding), and supporting the work of an Israeli university that is dominated by the Israeli security forces which have a long history of anti-Catholic and anti-Christian activity of the most murderous kind. Is it really credible, in the absence of a forthright denial by Mr Krah of being Jєωιѕн, to believe, as you clearly believe, that he was the only NON-Jєω present?

    9. A small but related question: You said that “ he MAY have some Jєωιѕн friends.” “William of Norwich” showed beyond any doubt that he DOES through the link just cited. One question, since I assume that you must know Mr Krah to make these statements, is this: would he happen to be a friend of Mischa Morgenbesser, a lawyer with BADERTSCHER Rechtsanwälte AG (Zurich), who is the sole Hebrew speaker with the firm, the firm that advises the SSPX in relation to Dello Sarto? Do you know if this firm was suggested by Mr Krah to the leadership of the SSPX?


    10. In your letter you comment: “Note that Mr. Krah's involvement with the CDU consisted in a donation to a convent (Kloster St Marienthal): if that is the only thing you found against him, that is not much to worry.” My dear Father Laisney, this one sentence alone leads to several questions and which, at the same time, raises questions about your actual knowledge and intimacy with the whole affair. Let me explain. Mr Krah’s involvement with the CDU was NOT limited to seeking a donation for the convent of St. Marienthal. If you went to the link given by “William of Norwich” concerning Mr Krah and his actual relations with the CDU, you would see that according to the “Journal of the Dresdener Union” (the July/August 2005 number) Mr Krah was elected the Pressesprecher, Press Officer, for Dresden’s CDU governing committee in June 2005 with 81.66% of the branch’s membership. Moreover, the May 2006 number of the same “Journal” reveals that he had by then become a member of the editorial board of the “Journal.” Mr Krah’s involvement with politics does not concern me greatly beyond the fact that the CDU is neither Christian in any sense worthy of the name, nor is it democratic in any profound sense. But it is clearly anti-Catholic when it wishes to be, as the occasion when Angela Merkel publicly rebuked the Pope about the so-called “rehabilitation” of Mgr Williamson demonstrates – a public scandal about which the SSPX has said little or nothing, made all the more worrying given the cant of the CDU about the “benefits” of the separation of Church and State. I would invite you to check these details for yourself, but since “William of Norwich” posted the CDU/Krah link it has mysteriously disappeared from the internet. However, one brave Catholic soul had the foresight to save the two files about the CDU cited, and they will be posted to”The Complete Krahgate File” in the near future so that you and others may see the facts for yourself.


    11. There is, however, one surprising thing in your sentence. You make reference to the Kloster St. Marienthal and say that Krah’s only involvement in the CDU was to seek donations for it. Let us leave aside the fact that the St. Marienthal Convent, the oldest women’s Cistercian monastery in Germany, is a conciliar structure and seems to be more a place for hosting conferences on “Justice, Peace, Ecology” and the rest of the conciliar agenda, than a place full of nuns working out their salvation in prayer and sacrifice; let us leave aside also the fact that one wonders why a person who claims to be a traditional Catholic would seek to raise money for a conciliar structure when undoubtedly there are better claims to be made for SSPX structures in Germany; let us leave aside as well that the Convent in question is less than a hour’s drive from Krah’s home, is incredibly beautiful, a glory to the faith, clearly worth a financial fortune if put on the market, and is run by a “Board of Trustees,” the composition of which I have not been able to identify as yet, and come to one crucial question. At NO POINT in “The Complete Krahgate File” or anywhere else on Ignis Ardens was ANY REFERENCE MADE TO THIS CONVENT AND KRAH MAKING AN APPEAL FOR FUNDS FOR IT! The convent is not mentioned in either of the two CDU files that were available online until they disappeared. So your statement is a piece of information that none of us were aware of, and we would invite you to let us know how you came across this information? It may be of little importance, but given that Mr Krah appears to have many fingers in many pies, one can never be sure that that is so.


    12. Although I could ask you another half dozen questions on the basis of your short letter, I will confine myself to just one more. You say in relation to Mr Krah, and by implication to others, that when the SSPX requires legal advice and assistance that “Honesty and competence is the criteria, not political views.” To that I am sure that I speak for all supporters of the SSPX when I say “Amen.” Thus, Mr Krah, if he were both honest and competent and available to the SSPX, would be a good choice irrespective of his political affiliation – and no traditionalist could or would argue with that decision. The problem, however, is twofold. First, Mr Krah’s choice of Matthias Lossmann as counsel for Mgr. Williamson in the trial of April 2010 did not show competence at all. What it demonstrated was a woeful inability or will to find someone who would address the issues pertaining to Williamson’s case: namely the manifest deficiency of German law as it pertained to this particular case. It had nothing effectively to do with so-called “h0Ɩ0cαųst denial” but everything to do with whether or not Mgr. Williamson fell within the bounds of the law being evoked by the Regensburg court. That woeful decision cost Mgr. Williamson a great deal, and we can only speculate as to whether Mr Krah’s clear incompetence was honest or dishonest. On that God alone knows. The second problem with your position of “Honesty and competence is the criteria, not political views” is contradicted by actual facts. Put simply if Mr Krah, appointed by Mgr. Fellay, was good enough for the job, in theory, to deal with Mgr. Williamson’s case in the first instance, despite his open affiliation with the CDU, why was Mr Nahrath, chosen by Williamson in the second instance, unacceptable to Mgr. Fellay. It cannot be seriously argued that Mr Nahrath was not competent in such delicate [in Germany] matters, for his success in Germany, even in 2010, in such questions is a matter of public record. Neither can his honesty be seriously impugned since it is evident that, unlike Messrs. Krah and Lossmann, he risks in a very real way his liberty every time he takes on a “controversial case.” You say that Mr Nahrath was not unacceptable, not because of his affiliation with the NPD, a legal political party in Germany, but with something called “Viking” though you could not remember the name that Mgr. Fellay mentioned to you. The name is, of course, “Viking Youth” which any Google search would have given you. What is remarkable is that Mgr. Fellay should make Nahrath’s political leadership of the Viking Youth the pretext for denying Mgr. Williamson good, honest and legal counsel. The Viking Youth was banned in 1994, sixteen years ago! Would anyone suggest that Fr. Schmidberger was unfit to hold high office in the SSPX because of his activity in a sedevacantist youth group many years ago? Would anyone suggest that Mgr. Lefebvre was unfit to be the founder of the SSPX because he praised Marshal Petain and a number of other political figures, now regarded as “politically incorrect”? I do not think so. Does it not strike you, my dear father, that what Mgr. Williamson required was a decent lawyer; and does it not strike you as unacceptable, as shown in “The Complete Krahgate File”, that Mr Krah – the self-confessed “unimpeachable catholic” - should have made Nahrath’s appointment known to Der Spiegel within the hour of his appointment?


    My dear Father Laisney, I suspect that while you may believe what you have written in this letter, you are acting upon the basis of third hand information. If it was designed to bring serenity to Catholic souls it failed completely. The information and related questions outlined in this email prove, I believe, that there is much still to be unmasked in the Krahgate Affair in the quest for the truth, a truth that the praying, obeying and paying faithful have an absolute right to receive.
    I reiterate what I said at the outset. There is no intention to accuse you of anything improper or immoral. Indeed your entry into the picture with your letter was a surprise to everybody since you had never been mentioned in connection with Krahgate. What I would exhort you to do is to furnish the faithful with answers to the above queries, and to the best of your knowledge and ability. Failing that, perhaps you could ask the SSPX leadership to answer these and other questions in order to bring a peaceful end to what is, quite frankly, one of the most disturbing episodes in the life of Society in decades.



    Thank you for reposting this.
    I remember reading it, what was it... three years ago, now?

    Somehow, I suspected it was Stephen Heiner's work?
    I just recall being overhwelmed at the fact that Fr. Laissney had been
    rhetorically beheaded.  

    You'd think the neoSSPX would have had the common sense to ban poor Fr. Laisney from ever again defending Bp. Fellay in public again?


    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi