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Re: An honest question for those inclined against the Resistance
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2018, 01:55:03 PM »

The neo-SSPX fears the Resistance the most, because it represents the SSPX in the past -- and if the Faithful check it out for themselves, they might notice that A) they're not the evil bogeymen that SSPX.org and Angelus Press have made them out to be, B) the chapels are just like SSPX chapels were in the past, C) some things have changed in the SSPX recently, and not for the better.

That is not entirely true..the resistance has its problems too.
For one thing it splintered rather quickly, and soon after the get-go. And according to Bp Williamson it is to be known as a ‘loose association’, if I’m quoting HE correctly. So what is there to fear?

I don’t blame people for standing afar off while priests and bishops scatter all over the map. And especially so, when they all have so many different ideas on how to ‘resist’ the SSPX errors in the first place.
And believe me, I’ve been here from close to the beginning..at least from 2013 and have watched it evolve along the way. These things always do, as people find their bearings amongst so much chaos.

I really hope you don’t think that it’s all settled now into some little comfortable corner that anyone can just mosey on over to. It’s not that simple. Many do not have resistance options. 

And Catholics definitely do not want to be told they can’t go to Mass at this Church, or that priest, or this bishop, because if they do then they’re a modernist, or are going to lose their Faith. 
And that is what some in the resistance do. I admit I was one of them, and I still see it today. 

I do attend Mass at an SSPX chapel, and it is for The Sacraments for myself and my children. They need them and so do I. If that is selfish on my part, then so be it. I receive Jesus in the Eucharist on behalf of The Church so I hope it benefits us all. 

I pray for unity always. 

God bless  :pray:

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Re: An honest question for those inclined against the Resistance
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2018, 02:33:15 PM »

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It's true that I would attend a diocesan TLM (technically not an "Indult" since Summorum Pontificuм)
Summorum Pontificuм is just an expansion of the indult of JPII.  All diocesan latin masses are still indult because Summorum Pontificuм requires that one accept the novus ordo as the ordinary/normal form of mass and also that you accept that the novus ordo and the latin are equal (i.e. "two usages of the same rite").  Also, in order to have the latin mass the bishop must approve it.  Yes, ANY diocesan latin mass (including FSSP, ICK) is still an indult.


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Re: An honest question for those inclined against the Resistance
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2018, 02:40:01 PM »

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That is not entirely true..the resistance has its problems too.
All the "problems" you listed have nothing to do with the liturgy or keeping the Faith.  The new-sspx, meanwhile, is allowing modernism/heresy into their liturgy, their sermons, and their schools.  Quite the difference!  A pure, unadulterated Mass said in the middle of a field, on top of a rock is infinitely more pleasing to God than an indult TLM said by a modernist priest in the most beautiful church in the world.  Faith will get you to heaven.  "Smells and bells" will not.

Re: An honest question for those inclined against the Resistance
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2018, 03:50:14 PM »
Summorum Pontificuм is just an expansion of the indult of JPII.  All diocesan latin masses are still indult because Summorum Pontificuм requires that one accept the novus ordo as the ordinary/normal form of mass and also that you accept that the novus ordo and the latin are equal (i.e. "two usages of the same rite").  Also, in order to have the latin mass the bishop must approve it.  Yes, ANY diocesan latin mass (including FSSP, ICK) is still an indult.
For practical purposes, that is true enough.  I was speaking of a technicality:  In 1984, the CDW wrote Quattuor Abhinc Annos which granted an indult to bishops to permit specific priests and groups to say the TLM.  There had also earlier been the so-called "Agatha Christie" indult for the TLM in England.  

Indult has a technical definition within Canon Law.  It means allowing an exception to legal norms.  Summorum Pontificuм, rather than saying the TLM is an allowable exception to Church law, declared that the TLM had really been licit all along because the 1962 Mass was "never abrogated".

SP used a different legal mechanism for permitting the TLM rather than an indult, so it is technically the wrong term.  In practice, as you say, it makes little difference.  

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Re: An honest question for those inclined against the Resistance
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2018, 05:29:09 PM »
Good point.  In reality, “SP” is a legal contradiction.  It admitted that Quo Primum was not changed, therefore the TLM was never outlawed and always permitted.  Then, it contradicts Quo Primum by putting restrictions on the TLM (ie your bishop has to give permission, you have to agree that the Novus Ordo is equal, etc).

Legally, “SP” validates the entire post-V2 Traditionalist movement.  For that, I’m thankful that +Benedict issued it.  Unfortunately, most people read “SP” outside of and ignoring the supremacy of Quo Primum’s commands, so they miss the “big picture” and the factual illegality of the Novus Ordo, and consequent sinfulness of it.