While speaking with a friend today we were brought to the realization that without Bishop Williamson and with the silencing of the other two bishops it will be increasingly harder and harder for Bishop Fellay to arrange confirmations for the chapels. Then it dawn on us! There MUST be an agreement already in place but pending while Bishop Fellay disposes of all who oppose him and his dealings with Satanistic Rome.
 
  How can it be explained? By next summer there will be a "miracle" agreement and we will be left to our local bishops for confirmations. This likely scenario (if true) sits in Bishop Fellay''s head as he step by step destroys the SSPX and parades around acting so innocent. Nauseating. What will he have left when he joins the new church but the fat of the pig, no meat, nothing of substance.

He will only have himself and his gang. People can hardly feign ignorance of what a canonical arrangement will bring about. A major obstacle to Bishop Fellay's deal has been removed.

Most Indult communities are happy with the local Bishop coming in for confirmations etc etc. They are friends of the "extraordinary form" so you should be grateful these local Bishops will come in to perform confirmations.  They are showing enormous goodwill to provide the sacraments in the old rite.

The Society have come back to Home Sweet Rome.

Those whom I am familiar with, who are pro-agreement are from an Indult background so no real surprise they want a deal. These people are more suited to the Institute of Christ the King. They might wise up now that the Bishop is expelled. Same for the folk promoting the 'Catholic Voice' newspaper in Ireland.  I never liked a pro-Indult/Summorum Pontificuм paper being promoted at Society chapels.

Expelling the Bishop will wake people up.

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Those whom I am familiar with, who are pro-agreement are from an Indult background so no real surprise they want a deal. These people are more suited to the Institute of Christ the King. They might wise up now that the Bishop is expelled. Same for the folk promoting the 'Catholic Voice' newspaper in Ireland.  I never liked a pro-Indult/Summorum Pontificuм paper being promoted at Society chapels.

Expelling the Bishop will wake people up.

I disagree.

This crowd has wanted WIlliamson gone for some time.

They see a deal with Rome as a means by which their faulty consciences can finally allow them to frequent the SSPX they have longed to come to.

Funny thing is, with the recent morphing of the SSPX, the SSPX they will arrive in feature very little contrast to the indult they are leaving.

In fact, in 10 years time, there will be no substantial or doctrinal difference between the FSSP and SSPX.

And because of that, though they will have switched beds, they will remain asleep.

I'm not sure what you disagree with me about. I agree with your points here. Over the past several years, the laity have been softened up in preparation for the deal. Despite everything the vast majority haven't softened nor will they soften.

I cited 'Catholic Voice' newspaper. The SSPX folk, who do promote it genuinely believe Cardinal Burke is a "good guy". I don't agree nor is he nor Benedict XVI a friend of Tradition.

There is no doubt some people wanted Bishop Williamson out and are in deep denial regarding their beloved Bishop Fellay. Still, Bishop Williamson has support and hasn't abandoned the principles of the Archbishop yet some usual suspects want to present him as the 'imprudent' bogeyman when it Bishop Fellay, Fr Rostand and others who have betrayed the Archbishop.

The crowd, who oppose Bishop Williamson do exist but the main thing is his support base continues.

Let's see where these loyal Fellayite's will be in five years time.

It's laughable they are calling Bishop Williamson a rebel and those who support him 'rebels'.

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Those whom I am familiar with, who are pro-agreement are from an Indult background so no real surprise they want a deal. These people are more suited to the Institute of Christ the King. They might wise up now that the Bishop is expelled. Same for the folk promoting the 'Catholic Voice' newspaper in Ireland.  I never liked a pro-Indult/Summorum Pontificuм paper being promoted at Society chapels.

Expelling the Bishop will wake people up.

I disagree.

This crowd has wanted WIlliamson gone for some time.

They see a deal with Rome as a means by which their faulty consciences can finally allow them to frequent the SSPX they have longed to come to.

Funny thing is, with the recent morphing of the SSPX, the SSPX they will arrive in feature very little contrast to the indult they are leaving.

In fact, in 10 years time, there will be no substantial or doctrinal difference between the FSSP and SSPX.

And because of that, though they will have switched beds, they will remain asleep.

I'm not sure what you disagree with me about. I agree with your points here. Over the past several years, the laity have been softened up in preparation for the deal. Despite everything the vast majority haven't softened nor will they soften.

I cited 'Catholic Voice' newspaper. The SSPX folk, who do promote it genuinely believe Cardinal Burke is a "good guy". I don't agree nor is he nor Benedict XVI a friend of Tradition.

There is no doubt some people wanted Bishop Williamson out and are in deep denial regarding their beloved Bishop Fellay. Still, Bishop Williamson has support and hasn't abandoned the principles of the Archbishop yet some usual suspects want to present him as the 'imprudent' bogeyman when it Bishop Fellay, Fr Rostand and others who have betrayed the Archbishop.

The crowd, who oppose Bishop Williamson do exist but the main thing is his support base continues.

Let's see where these loyal Fellayite's will be in five years time.

It's laughable they are calling Bishop Williamson a rebel and those who support him 'rebels'.

Oops.

I thought you were saying that the expulsion will wake people up to the fact that the SSPX is changing.

My bad.

On vocations, Archbishop Martin stated
http://irishpapist.blogspot.ie/2012/07/archbishop-diarmuid-martin-worried.html

Archbishop Diarmuid Martin, who at least can never be accused of trading in platitudes and soundbites, has made yet another eyebrow-raising comment, this time while speaking at a summer school.

The Irish Times reports:

On the level of priestly vocations, he said: “It is not just that the number of candidates is low. It is also that many of those who present are fragile and some are much more traditional than those who went before them.” There was “a danger that superficial attachment to the externals of tradition may well be a sign of fearfulness and flight from changed realities”.

Now, I see what the Archbishop is getting at, and it's a fair point. If you flee to the bosom of the Church in a purely reactionary spirit, then you are simply using the Church as a weapon, a rallying point. You are not answering the call of Christ.

And yet...when the Archbishop says of the new seminarians, "some are much more traditional than those who went before them", the only response I can think of is, "I should bloody hope so!"

There seems to be a grim irony in an Archbishop of Dublin, standing on top of the ruins of an Irish Church that has been brought down by decades of insidious liberalism, warning against the dangers of excessive traditionalism. It seems like a man crawling through the desert, on the point of dying of thirst, worrying about drowning.

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Those whom I am familiar with, who are pro-agreement are from an Indult background so no real surprise they want a deal. These people are more suited to the Institute of Christ the King. They might wise up now that the Bishop is expelled. Same for the folk promoting the 'Catholic Voice' newspaper in Ireland.  I never liked a pro-Indult/Summorum Pontificuм paper being promoted at Society chapels.

Expelling the Bishop will wake people up.

I disagree.

This crowd has wanted WIlliamson gone for some time.

They see a deal with Rome as a means by which their faulty consciences can finally allow them to frequent the SSPX they have longed to come to.

Funny thing is, with the recent morphing of the SSPX, the SSPX they will arrive in feature very little contrast to the indult they are leaving.

In fact, in 10 years time, there will be no substantial or doctrinal difference between the FSSP and SSPX.

And because of that, though they will have switched beds, they will remain asleep.

I'm not sure what you disagree with me about. I agree with your points here. Over the past several years, the laity have been softened up in preparation for the deal. Despite everything the vast majority haven't softened nor will they soften.

I cited 'Catholic Voice' newspaper. The SSPX folk, who do promote it genuinely believe Cardinal Burke is a "good guy". I don't agree nor is he nor Benedict XVI a friend of Tradition.

There is no doubt some people wanted Bishop Williamson out and are in deep denial regarding their beloved Bishop Fellay. Still, Bishop Williamson has support and hasn't abandoned the principles of the Archbishop yet some usual suspects want to present him as the 'imprudent' bogeyman when it Bishop Fellay, Fr Rostand and others who have betrayed the Archbishop.

The crowd, who oppose Bishop Williamson do exist but the main thing is his support base continues.

Let's see where these loyal Fellayite's will be in five years time.

It's laughable they are calling Bishop Williamson a rebel and those who support him 'rebels'.

Oops.

I thought you were saying that the expulsion will wake people up to the fact that the SSPX is changing.

My bad.

It will but only to a degree. If one is not a fighter, I don't see them joining the fight now at this late stage. The  treachery of Bishop Fellay is too much for some folk. It will be worth noting, who Bishop Fellay and his gang bring over with them.

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 Over the past several years, the laity have been softened up in preparation for the deal. Despite everything the vast majority haven't softened nor will they soften.

The crowd, who oppose Bishop Williamson do exist but the main thing is his support base continues.

Let's see where these loyal Fellayite's will be in five years time.

That is the same as I have observed.

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What American, or English speaker remembers a speech or a writing from Bishop Fellay? I doubt any American even bothered to read what +Fellay has written. He just does not know how to communicate in English. Maybe he does in some other language? Few English speaking persons really know +Fellay, he is just a Bishop that writes something once in a while, that no one reads all the way through.

On the other hand, I could bring up hundreds of letters from +Williamson since I came to ther SSPX like 15 years (Same for Fr. Timothy Pfieffers letters from the Ridgefield Retreat House), which are excellent communications. In English speaking countries, there is no comparison, Bishop Willaiamson is a great communicator in few words, and +Fellay is a non-communicator in many words.

English speaking peoples will not easily side with +Fellay if he is opposed to +Williamson. Without +Williamson the SSPX becomes a distant foreign thing to them.

Whilst not a popularity contest, a "problem" that Bishop Fellay faces is Bishop Williamson is popular.  By expelling the Bishop he has brought further problems on himself.