Quote from: John Grace

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Quote from: John Grace

Those whom I am familiar with, who are pro-agreement are from an Indult background so no real surprise they want a deal. These people are more suited to the Institute of Christ the King. They might wise up now that the Bishop is expelled. Same for the folk promoting the 'Catholic Voice' newspaper in Ireland.  I never liked a pro-Indult/Summorum Pontificuм paper being promoted at Society chapels.

Expelling the Bishop will wake people up.

I disagree.

This crowd has wanted WIlliamson gone for some time.

They see a deal with Rome as a means by which their faulty consciences can finally allow them to frequent the SSPX they have longed to come to.

Funny thing is, with the recent morphing of the SSPX, the SSPX they will arrive in feature very little contrast to the indult they are leaving.

In fact, in 10 years time, there will be no substantial or doctrinal difference between the FSSP and SSPX.

And because of that, though they will have switched beds, they will remain asleep.

I'm not sure what you disagree with me about. I agree with your points here. Over the past several years, the laity have been softened up in preparation for the deal. Despite everything the vast majority haven't softened nor will they soften.

I cited 'Catholic Voice' newspaper. The SSPX folk, who do promote it genuinely believe Cardinal Burke is a "good guy". I don't agree nor is he nor Benedict XVI a friend of Tradition.

There is no doubt some people wanted Bishop Williamson out and are in deep denial regarding their beloved Bishop Fellay. Still, Bishop Williamson has support and hasn't abandoned the principles of the Archbishop yet some usual suspects want to present him as the 'imprudent' bogeyman when it Bishop Fellay, Fr Rostand and others who have betrayed the Archbishop.

The crowd, who oppose Bishop Williamson do exist but the main thing is his support base continues.

Let's see where these loyal Fellayite's will be in five years time.

It's laughable they are calling Bishop Williamson a rebel and those who support him 'rebels'.

They're not just calling him a rebel. They're calling him a "closet sedevacantist," which we all know is not true. This is how they vilify people now. They call them names, just like the freemasons do. Remember how they do this to politicians that they especially don't like, "He's a racist. He's a homophobe. He's an αnтι-ѕємιтє." Does any of this sound familiar?

That's why I said it is laughable.

My point is, the tactics they're using are effective to the ignorant that don't clearly know +Williamson's position. If the SSPX says that +Williamson is a "closet sedevacantist," it's likely to stick with people that don't really know what he believes.

They probably know his stances on 9/11 and such, so they automatically assume that it would follow that he probably would be a sede too.

To those that lived the +Williamson era, all they read was his writings. To me there is no greater clearer writer than he. He ranks up there with Fr. Martin Von Cochem, in making the complicated, easy to understand. To those people, even if they have forgotten, just a few words will bring them back to their senses about +Williamson. To the others, the new people, who never read bishop Williamson, it's a diffetrent story. They likely will fall for those lies about the Bishop. Nevertheless, it is a good idea to tell them to read what the good bishop says. Once they read it, and compare it with what the others are saying, they will be converted, that is, if they have eyes to see.

Abp. Lefevbre was not easy to read, I think because we were getting a translation. Same for Tissier de Mallerais. You can forget about Bishop Fellay in English. When it comes to English, no one could touch +Williamson, no one in the world! That is why Menzingen had to get rid of him.

A reality for the Indult community in Dublin. The chaplain says both the Novus Ordo and the 'extraordinary form'.Here is recent confirmations where Archbishop Diarmuid   Martin carried out the confirmations.

 http://www.latinmassdublin.ie/

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am very grateful to the Archbishop for taking the time to be with us, and for his encouraging words, which you can read here

Photograph by J Briody

You see we are supposed to be so thankful to these friends of the 'extraordinary form' for taking the time to visit our chapel.

What a sad day if a Diarmuid Martin type figure performs confirmations in a Society chapel.
They established the Indult in the 1980s in Dublin because of the SSPX.

He didn't actually say the Mass on the day

For the record...

Diamuid Martin - "ordained" priest May 25 1969, "ordained" bishop January 6 1999.

The reality may well be that he is no more than a "permanent"/permanently a Deacon... coming to a NSSPX chapel near you to "confirm" your children.

Many Diocesan priests, who claim to be pro-SSPX never actually give up saying the Novus Ordo. I only accept this "their hearts are in the right place" to a degree. Yes, they will get cast out by their local Bishop but a true priest is always supported.

If these Diocesan priests are so interested in Tradition, they would quit the Novus Ordo. They naturally want to weaken tradition and have everyone embrace this hermeneutic of continuity nonsense.

Naturally, they want to change the thinking of Traditionalists.

In relation to this.There is one particular Diocesan priest who claims to be pro-SSPX.

Yet here are some of his Facebook likes.

'Israel in Ireland'
'Ireland & Israel Friendship Connection'
'United With Israel'
'Catholics for Israel'
'Irish4Israel'

This particular priest offers the 'extraordinary form'.

A reality for the Indult community in Dublin. The chaplain says both the Novus Ordo and the 'extraordinary form'.Here is recent confirmations where Archbishop Diarmuid   Martin carried out the confirmations.

 http://www.latinmassdublin.ie/

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am very grateful to the Archbishop for taking the time to be with us, and for his encouraging words, which you can read here

Photograph by J Briody

You see we are supposed to be so thankful to these friends of the 'extraordinary form' for taking the time to visit our chapel.

What a sad day if a Diarmuid Martin type figure performs confirmations in a Society chapel.
They established the Indult in the 1980s in Dublin because of the SSPX.

He didn't actually say the Mass on the day

Well, that is most likely because confirmation ins not traditionally administered at Mass in the orld rite, correct?