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« Reply #46 on: December 20, 2015, 09:48:51 AM »
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  • You can see the altar steps in this photo from the SSPX web page:



    It's a little blurry, but this is probably before they installed the stone covering on the floor and steps.

    This is the same chapel with the questionable artwork outside, seen in a previous thread:







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    « Reply #47 on: December 20, 2015, 10:22:13 AM »
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  • "How do we know this is SSPX as you claim"

    "Tell me this is not S.S.P.X."

    Why not just say "Lie to me. Tell a lie, any lie to explain this, and I'll believe you."

    Is this what the SSPX faithful have been reduced to?

    SEEK THE TRUTH. Don't be afraid.

    Yes, there is proof this is an SSPX chapel. I could tell you all kinds of fantasies and lies, but it wouldn't make it the truth.
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    « Reply #48 on: December 20, 2015, 12:32:30 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
    The sphere appearing to emerge from the loose yardage of fabric had me scratching my head, especially after the artist is seen putting his signature in that fabric next to the "ball" at the end of the video.  It would make no sense to sign the whole wall in a place where the work might be changed or covered up in the future.  So the artist must think that ball and crumpled linens is an enduring part of the whole.


    I'm pretty sure the large stone ball is intended to hold down the blonde girl's yellow cape so it doesn't blow away in the cosmic winds from the light rays emanating from the side of the Christ figure.

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    « Reply #49 on: December 20, 2015, 01:09:54 PM »
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  • The statue outside looks like the Grim Reaper instead of the Blessed Virgin. The altar painting looks like a bizarre mixture of Christianity and GrekoRoman Mythos, and that circular doorway- a portal to where? (Wherever it is, not sure I want to go!) Faithful should be asking which SSPX superiors signed off on this monstrosity; it didn't just jump from a sketchpad to reality without being commissioned, approved and paid for.  


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    « Reply #50 on: December 20, 2015, 04:00:08 PM »
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  • Is this image a sign of the ultimate defeat of Islam, which worships the Moon God, Satan?
    Lord have mercy.

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    « Reply #51 on: December 20, 2015, 06:47:29 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
    "How do we know this is SSPX as you claim"

    "Tell me this is not S.S.P.X."

    Why not just say "Lie to me. Tell a lie, any lie to explain this, and I'll believe you."

    Is this what the SSPX faithful have been reduced to?

    SEEK THE TRUTH. Don't be afraid.

    Yes, there is proof this is an SSPX chapel. I could tell you all kinds of fantasies and lies, but it wouldn't make it the truth.


    I can only speak for myself, the other poster you quoted obviously is simply expressing their disgust, but I was asking for proof. You know that thing that is so important when someone is accusing another of something. Or is that idea foreign to you? It is the truth I was asking for. I looked on the internet but found nothing that directly tied this artist to the SSPX.

    The Spanish have for decades had some monstrous architecture and art so maybe this is pleasing to them, but I don't like the symbolism. As far as the "breast milk" criticism, that accusation is beyond bizarre. Obviously some of us are not familiar with many different kinds of age-old crucifixes from around the world.

    And Matthew, you have no right to accuse anyone of wanting to be lied to. That is a sharp criticism of character.




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    « Reply #52 on: December 20, 2015, 08:00:45 PM »
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  • Thank you, Pilar. I don't think I could have said it as well. Over all this is not just disgusting, it is enraging!
    Many people say "For the Honor and Glory of God!" but, what they should say is "For the Love, Glory and Honor of God". - Fr. Paul of Moll


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    « Reply #53 on: December 21, 2015, 05:02:30 PM »
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  • Well, after looking at more photos of the chapel, I believe that it is the SSPX chapel that is being "decorated" with this artwork that I could have done in grade school. Why the great expenditure of money? They have brothers who are more talented than this and would work for free.  

    I don't understand what it is supposed to be saying, is it the removed Sacred Heart, the Two Hearts together or is it Her Immaculate Heart? Our Lady looks something like a bride from the early part of the last century. The big round thing, doesn't look anything like the earth, is it the pearl of great price, is it Planet X, a comet for chastisement that the Apocalypse talks about? It is mysterious. She stands on the moon, it is prophesied that Islam will be destroyed and converted. Is this artwork symbolic of all those prophesied things? The triumph of the Immaculate Heart?

    When the crucified are attempting to breathe and are distended the way the are, the chest area does get drawn up and I don't think it is supposed to be feminine looking. I've seen worse ones that are old.

    I have to admit this whole chapel, with the outside statues and the inside, appears like the modern buildings that Traditionalists have decried for over 50 years.

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    « Reply #54 on: January 09, 2016, 05:48:58 AM »
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  • Quote from: TKGS
    Quote from: Neil Obstat
    The sphere appearing to emerge from the loose yardage of fabric had me scratching my head, especially after the artist is seen putting his signature in that fabric next to the "ball" at the end of the video.  It would make no sense to sign the whole wall in a place where the work might be changed or covered up in the future.  So the artist must think that ball and crumpled linens is an enduring part of the whole.

    I'm pretty sure the large stone ball is intended to hold down the blonde girl's yellow cape so it doesn't blow away in the cosmic winds from the light rays emanating from the side of the Christ figure.


    That's a creative interpretation, TKGS, and very helpful.  Thank you!

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    The statue outside looks like the Grim Reaper instead of the Blessed Virgin. The altar painting looks like a bizarre mixture of Christianity and GrekoRoman Mythos, and that circular doorway- a portal to where? (Wherever it is, not sure I want to go!) Faithful should be asking which SSPX superiors signed off on this monstrosity; it didn't just jump from a sketchpad to reality without being commissioned, approved and paid for.  

    That's correct.  Someone approved it in advance.  There's no other way.  The artist would never execute a design that was not already approved and signed for, because then he would not be able to claim he had done what had been commissioned, and he would not be able to collect payment for his work.  No artist would do that.

    At the same time, what the artist had in mind and what the customer had in mind regarding how to interpret the artwork would not have to be the same thing.  For example, the customer could have led the artist to think that the customer would be looking for some (pretended) interpretation, but one that is in truth a distraction from the customer's real objective -- the real one being none of the artist's business!  In which case, the artist is acting in good faith but has been a pawn in the customer's game of deception.

    From our perspective, what the artist had in mind might be interesting for some reason, but what the customer actually and honestly had in mind should be our primary concern.  And we are not willing to be confident that the customer would dare say exactly what it was they were hoping to achieve.  

    All in all, it seems to me that the customer's intention is left up for grabs.  My speculation is that this metallic orb is symbolic of the unknown ball of wax that the SSPX is delivering to the Faithful by way of the future "normalization" with Newrome that is in the works.  Nobody really knows what it will become.  It is like a mysterious EGG that is about to hatch and what kind of critter or perhaps monster will emerge has yet to be seen!

    But in any case, once it hatches, it's too late to prevent its effects.

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    « Reply #55 on: January 09, 2016, 07:22:18 PM »
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  • Quote from: Pilar
    The big round thing ... is it Planet X ... ?


    hahaha


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    « Reply #56 on: January 10, 2016, 09:42:13 PM »
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  • its the Giant Love Ball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    « Reply #57 on: January 11, 2016, 03:25:08 AM »
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    Remember how Glenda the Good arrived at Munchkinland?  



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    « Reply #58 on: January 11, 2016, 03:37:44 AM »
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    Sorry, that should be Glinda the Good.



    Dorothy:  "But you can't be witch -- you're beautiful!"



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    « Reply #59 on: January 11, 2016, 07:18:44 AM »
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  • It is modern new age artwork.  It does not look like a traditional chapel.   The artwork is a modern distraction.  

    In USA, there has been unusual artwork in several parishes involving pornographic ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ version of the San Damiano cross.  
    May God bless you and keep you