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Offline Chiara

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Ambrose Moran still "offering Mass" in Denver, CO
« on: December 04, 2015, 10:38:30 PM »
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  • UPDATE: There is a thread containing links to ALL the threads about so-called Bishop Ambrose Moran:

    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Everything-you-wanted-to-know-about-Mr-Ambrose-Moran-the-Orthodox


    http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2015/12/04/notice-to-mass-attendees-of-the-denver-colorado-mission/

    Notice to Mass Attendees of the Denver, Colorado Mission

    Dec 4, 2015

    Dear Mass Attendees of the Denver, Colorado Mission,

    I am aware that on Sunday November 22, 2015, the Coordinator of the Mission where you attend Mass, hosted Bishop Ambrose Moran to celebrate “Mass” for you.  I do not have sufficient evidence to prove that Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer approved of this.  I have not been able to get a hold of Fr. Pfeiffer to determine whether he did approve or not.  I did, however, get in contact with the Coordinator via e-mail last week and he agreed to speak to me over the phone.  Unfortunately, the phone call did not occur and I have not been able to get a response from him since.  My intention was to warn him that Bishop Ambrose Moran was consecrated a bishop by schismatics, for which he has never publicly repented, and that Bishop Ambrose Moran was lying by claiming that he was a Catholic bishop.  See my posts here, here, here, and here.  Therefore, I wanted to exhort the Coordinator to desist from hosting Bishop Ambrose Moran anymore.  Unfortunately, it seems that the Coordinator may be hosting Bishop Ambrose Moran again on Sunday December 6, 2015.  Therefore, I want to warn you that if you actively participate in Bishop Ambrose Moran’s “Mass”, you will be committing, objectively speaking, the sin of “communicatio in sacris”, which is a grave sin against the First Commandment.  You may also be committing, objectively speaking, the grave sin of approaching doubtful sacraments.

    You may contact the Coordinator at olmcdenver@yahoo.com to raise your concerns.  You may also contact me, Tony La Rosa, at info@ecclesiamilitans.com if you have further questions.

    If anybody knows of persons who attend the Denver, Colorado Mission, please notify them in your charity.


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    Ambrose Moran still "offering Mass" in Denver, CO
    « Reply #1 on: December 05, 2015, 01:41:05 PM »
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  • Is anyone really surprised by this? These poor souls have had their minds and capability to discern frazzled by the things happening and coming out of Boston, KY. They do not know which way to turn. Boston has refused to outright dismiss William Moran so why should they not have him there. Perhaps Mr Moran will also visit the tiny Wrecusant crowd in London where their website shows that they have no Sunday Masses for the whole of December and have to try divert attention from this by showing Masses said elsewhere in the UK which are nothing to do with them.

    The sooner these poor souls break with Boston, like Ecclesia Militans has done, the better to retain their sanity.


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    Ambrose Moran still "offering Mass" in Denver, CO
    « Reply #2 on: December 05, 2015, 05:34:40 PM »
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  • At the risk of sounding negative towards Fr. Pfeiffer,

    What else could you expect from such a wishy-washy, vapid and reason-less "rejection" of William Moran, just 1 day after his conference (and friendly blog, "30 days") came up with a whole new story for William "Ambrose" Moran (8 bishops, got consecrated twice, etc.)

    I mean, Fr. Pfeiffer was firmly standing by him before for weeks, then he suddenly does a 180 and announces he won't have anything to do with him -- but gives no reason why (much less an apology)?

    This isn't surprising at all. I will admit I was kind of expecting it.

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    Ambrose Moran still "offering Mass" in Denver, CO
    « Reply #3 on: December 05, 2015, 05:37:23 PM »
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  • I would only like to add:

    I'm totally against the neo-SSPX and the pro-Modernist Rome stance they stand for. I believe everyone should support/create/found Resistant groups all over the world so the Faithful have a SURE source of Sacraments going forward.

    Nevertheless, how bad is the SSPX chapel in Colorado? It has to be better than attending "mass" from a doubtfully ordained schismatic priest! The SSPX has sunk low, but they haven't sunk that low yet, let's be honest!

    Just for starters, they are still using the 100% certainly valid 1962 missal, and any priest ordained by a +Lefebvre line bishop is 100% certainly valid.

    Let's keep this in perspective here!

    I can't believe the idiots who would go to such a simulated, doubtful "mass". They must be brainwashed.

    A perfect analogy for this is jumping from the frog boil pot (which has no future, to be sure!) which represented eventual death, into the raging fire below, representing instant death!

    Foolish.
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    Ambrose Moran still "offering Mass" in Denver, CO
    « Reply #4 on: December 06, 2015, 03:37:53 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
    At the risk of sounding negative towards Fr. Pfeiffer,

    What else could you expect from such a wishy-washy, vapid and reason-less "rejection" of William Moran, just 1 day after his conference (and friendly blog, "30 days") came up with a whole new story for William "Ambrose" Moran (8 bishops, got consecrated twice, etc.)

    I mean, Fr. Pfeiffer was firmly standing by him before for weeks, then he suddenly does a 180 and announces he won't have anything to do with him -- but gives no reason why (much less an apology)?

    This isn't surprising at all. I will admit I was kind of expecting it.



    It seems that you are implying that Father Pfeiffer and I came up with Ambrose's claims, rather than Ambrose having been the originator of the explanation of his history. If you are claiming that Father Pfeiffer and/ or I concocted this explanation, you are mistaken. That is not the case at all.


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    Ambrose Moran still "offering Mass" in Denver, CO
    « Reply #5 on: December 07, 2015, 02:03:27 AM »
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  • On the OLMC website Mass is advertised in Denver on November 22. Does that not prove that Mr Moran is still working for OLMC ?  Or did Fr Pfeiffer say Mass there and then Mr Moran went in afterwards and said his mass ?

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    « Reply #6 on: December 07, 2015, 09:20:45 AM »
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    On the OLMC website Mass is advertised in Denver on November 22. Does that not prove that Mr Moran is still working for OLMC ?  Or did Fr Pfeiffer say Mass there and then Mr Moran went in afterwards and said his mass ?


    Father Pfeiffer says mass in Denver. He does not have any connection to Ambrose, nor are their Mass sites the same, from what I have been told.

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    Ambrose Moran still "offering Mass" in Denver, CO
    « Reply #7 on: December 07, 2015, 01:30:22 PM »
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    On the OLMC website Mass is advertised in Denver on November 22. Does that not prove that Mr Moran is still working for OLMC ?  Or did Fr Pfeiffer say Mass there and then Mr Moran went in afterwards and said his mass ?


    Father Pfeiffer says mass in Denver. He does not have any connection to Ambrose, nor are their Mass sites the same, from what I have been told.


    So, who said the Mass in Denver on the 22nd, which the OLMC site referred to?
    Really Manuel, you could do a lot better than create the need for people to pin you down before we get any clarity from you.


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    « Reply #8 on: December 07, 2015, 01:49:19 PM »
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    On the OLMC website Mass is advertised in Denver on November 22. Does that not prove that Mr Moran is still working for OLMC ?  Or did Fr Pfeiffer say Mass there and then Mr Moran went in afterwards and said his mass ?


    Father Pfeiffer says mass in Denver. He does not have any connection to Ambrose, nor are their Mass sites the same, from what I have been told.


    So, who said the Mass in Denver on the 22nd, which the OLMC site referred to?
    Really Manuel, you could do a lot better than create the need for people to pin you down before we get any clarity from you.


    I was clear. You should pay more attention.

    Father Pfeiffer said Mass, and the Mass site is separate from Ambrose.

    Pay attention.

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    Ambrose Moran still "offering Mass" in Denver, CO
    « Reply #9 on: December 07, 2015, 02:11:16 PM »
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  • I was told that Father said Mass, and that Father has handled the Mass in Denver. If Ambrose said Mass in Denver on the 22nd, that is because of the Denver area coordinator, not because of Father Pfeiffer. If you have a question about the Denver mission site, ask the coordinator there, or ask Father directly.

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    « Reply #10 on: December 07, 2015, 02:16:50 PM »
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  • So Mr Dougherty, have we got this right? Fr Pfeiffer said Mass in Denver for one group of his supporters and Mr Moran said a 'mass' for another group of OLMC supporters (per Mr La Rosa) on the same day, November 22, in the same city, Denver ?


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    « Reply #11 on: December 07, 2015, 02:26:57 PM »
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  • When a mission site has a Mass scheduled, they can forward the information to the OLMC site to have it posted on the site. The Mass site, time and date is what is included, not the name of the priest. This is why the Mass was posted on OLMC, because it is a Mass site, and the time and date were submitted. No name was given, as far as I am aware. However, my knowledge of the Denver site is limited.

    All I know is that Fathers Pfeiffer and Hewko are not working with Ambrose.

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    « Reply #12 on: December 07, 2015, 02:44:01 PM »
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    So Mr Dougherty, have we got this right? Fr Pfeiffer said Mass in Denver for one group of his supporters and Mr Moran said a 'mass' for another group of OLMC supporters (per Mr La Rosa) on the same day, November 22, in the same city, Denver ?


    I just called Fathers Pfeiffer and Hewko about this. They did not authorize Ambrose to say Mass for the resistance site, as they are not associating with him.

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    « Reply #13 on: December 07, 2015, 02:53:55 PM »
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  • Thanks for clarifying that.

    It sounds like their is a breakaway, wildcat group in Denver then.

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    « Reply #14 on: December 07, 2015, 03:27:30 PM »
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  • Quote from: cebu
    Thanks for clarifying that.

    It sounds like their is a breakaway, wildcat group in Denver then.


    I am glad to be of service.