A criticism I have is the criticism shown towards Bishop Williamson and Fr Morgan.I personally believe both have not betrayed the Archbishop or Tradition.I don't believe for a minute both will sell out and betray Tradition.

A criticism I have is the criticism shown towards Bishop Williamson and Fr Morgan. I personally believe both have not betrayed the Archbishop or Tradition. I don't believe for a minute both will sell out and betray Tradition.

Do you believe for a minute that one of the two might sell out?

One more interesting little thing to note: total number of people who made the effort and came to the Crisis in the SSPX Conference at some point during the weekend must be a good 100 or so. On Saturday our numbers reached 70ish.
By comparison:
At Burghclere, we are reliably informed that around 80 people sat through Bishop Fellay's talk (which lasted 3hours!). And that included people who agree with us and who don't agree with him at all. And that, despite the fact that he was speaking in the numerically biggest and physically largest parish in the district, despite the fact that our District Superior has been urging everyone to attend, in sermons and on the District newsletter for weeks; and despite the fact that Bishop Fellay had an almost-captive audience due to confirmations having taken place earlier on the same day.

This is what a poster named Richard said on IA, the emphasis is mine. His figures are incorrect it seems:

http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?s=5c7576d5f9b70139d8e01281e309bb7a&showtopic=12473



"......QUOTE (Wessex @ Jun 1 2013, 06:50 PM)
The first day of the conference attracted 60/70 participants who are committed to rejecting V2 and the Novus Ordo to the point of turning their backs on Bp. Fellay and his liberal-leaning Society. Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko successfully held the avid attention of the faithful with more to come tomorrow plus Fr. Kramer.

After Mass, speakers covered the wild media campaign against true Catholics, the rapid progress made during the year with the help of some forty priests, the hunger for apostolates around the world, the stagnation wrought by Menzingen and the low morale of its priests. The consensus was things there would not change unless Bp. Felay resigned and recanted his doctrinal adventurism. The meeting felt like revisiting the past when Abp. Lefebvre started from humble beginnings to combat the apostosay then in the making. The war goes on.

60/70 that's it??? After all the hype, what a flop!!!

And how many were actually SSPX? You for one, Wessex, are not!!!

Bp. Fellay had 4 times that number at his conference with everyone at the end giving him a loud round of applause and a large number going up to and personally thanking him.
what a joke....."   

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One more interesting little thing to note: total number of people who made the effort and came to the Crisis in the SSPX Conference at some point during the weekend must be a good 100 or so. On Saturday our numbers reached 70ish.
By comparison:
At Burghclere, we are reliably informed that around 80 people sat through Bishop Fellay's talk (which lasted 3hours!). And that included people who agree with us and who don't agree with him at all. And that, despite the fact that he was speaking in the numerically biggest and physically largest parish in the district, despite the fact that our District Superior has been urging everyone to attend, in sermons and on the District newsletter for weeks; and despite the fact that Bishop Fellay had an almost-captive audience due to confirmations having taken place earlier on the same day.

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Yes, the school is a captive audience; it is so much harder for families to disengage and change their routine. But glad the attendance at the Crisis conference moved into three figures  .....  and this is at the very beginning of a new initiative! With a central location in London and a permanent priest, I am sure there would be strong growth.

All good news today. Alleluia!  (Good thing it isn't Lent! HAHAHA)



The people at Burghclere should all be reminded that the next time
they have to sit through a 3-hour soliloquy of B. Fellay, they ought
to bring an issue of The Recusant to read, because in that time
they'd make it all the way through even if they only read while
he's saying "Ahh... uhm, and,,,,,,,,, uh, (and dramatic pauses),
for that accounts for a large portion of the time he spends.

-- And they would make far better use of their time.  




.........Can you imagine +F looking out over a crowd speckled
with open issues of The Recusant in plain sight?  We really need
a cartoonist...................

Any cartoonist? It would be quite a good cartoon.

A criticism I have is the criticism shown towards Bishop Williamson and Fr Morgan.I personally believe both have not betrayed the Archbishop or Tradition.I don't believe for a minute both will sell out and betray Tradition.

I agree Bishop WIlliamson will never betray the Archbishop, but Fr Morgan already has.

He signed the 2012 General Chapter Declaration which explicitly allows for a merely practical accord, while Archbishop Lefebvre was quite clear that there be no deal until the doctrinal issues are resolved first.

Case closed.

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A criticism I have is the criticism shown towards Bishop Williamson and Fr Morgan.I personally believe both have not betrayed the Archbishop or Tradition.I don't believe for a minute both will sell out and betray Tradition.

I agree Bishop WIlliamson will never betray the Archbishop, but Fr Morgan already has.

He signed the 2012 General Chapter Declaration which explicitly allows for a merely practical accord, while Archbishop Lefebvre was quite clear that there be no deal until the doctrinal issues are resolved first.

Case closed.

Father Morgon has certainly betrayed the fight for the Faith, and Bishop Williamson certainly hasn't. Nor does he show any signs of doing so.

But let's remember that nobody's safe until they're dead.

I find that the hardest thing to remember in the big mes that we're in is that we're not following any particular priest, bishop, or archbishop for the sake of that priest, bishop, or archbishop. The reason we are following them is for the sake of our Lord. If Bishop Williamson, or any other member of the Resistance, ever goes Liberal one day - which God forbid and which I don't think is happening right now - then we would have to resist that Resistance leader in the same way that we are right now resisting Bishop Fellay and Pope Francis!

Anyway, to sum up my two cents...Bishop Williamson is right, but he is not infallible.

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Quote from: John Grace

A criticism I have is the criticism shown towards Bishop Williamson and Fr Morgan.I personally believe both have not betrayed the Archbishop or Tradition.I don't believe for a minute both will sell out and betray Tradition.

I agree Bishop WIlliamson will never betray the Archbishop, but Fr Morgan already has.

He signed the 2012 General Chapter Declaration which explicitly allows for a merely practical accord, while Archbishop Lefebvre was quite clear that there be no deal until the doctrinal issues are resolved first.

Case closed.

Father Morgon has certainly betrayed the fight for the Faith, and Bishop Williamson certainly hasn't. Nor does he show any signs of doing so.

But let's remember that nobody's safe until they're dead.

I find that the hardest thing to remember in the big mes that we're in is that we're not following any particular priest, bishop, or archbishop for the sake of that priest, bishop, or archbishop. The reason we are following them is for the sake of our Lord. If Bishop Williamson, or any other member of the Resistance, ever goes Liberal one day - which God forbid and which I don't think is happening right now - then we would have to resist that Resistance leader in the same way that we are right now resisting Bishop Fellay and Pope Francis!

Anyway, to sum up my two cents...Bishop Williamson is right, but he is not infallible.

A woman quite hostile to proceedings over the weekend stated Fr Morgan is District Superior and basically, we must obey him. Laity are not members of the SSPX. This was pointed out to the woman, who seemed to disapprove of the conference.

Nobody disputes Fr Morgan is not beyond criticism and is a changed man since the general chapter.

I made the point to people I haven't given up on Father or Bishop Williamson. I reject that Fr Morgan has betrayed the fight for the Faith.Same goes for the Bishop.

Yes, if people go liberal, we must part company. A turning point for me is if Fr Morgan were to deny sacraments to those who are resisting.

Greetings to all here, this is my first post as i joined only at the weekend.

I attended the London Conference on saturday and i was staggered by the number of people who were there and my first impression was that if they withdraw from the mainstream SSPX Father Morgan would have a big problem on his hands.  Fellay and Menzingen are not to be trusted and we cannot be sure about which way Father Morgan will go, but there is everything to be gained from the faithful exerting leverage over those considering selling out the SSPX to the Vatican II counter church by making it clear that they will not be fooled or cajoled or bullied or sneakily brought into any deals made in private and without consultation.  It is excellent that some of the Faithful are sending a strong signal to the District SSPX and Menzingen that they are not the only show in town and that enough is enough and now is the time for the District priests and all those opposed to fellay's dictatorship to stand up and be counted.  The previous strategy of trying to resist Fellay from within has failed and in my opinion the SSPX is now bled of its apostolic zeal and strong defence of Tradition and is hopelessly compromised in its dealings with the heretics in Rome.  The sooner there is a London mission established the better, and i hope that it will be tolersant of differences of opinion relating to the crisis in the Church while united in its defence of doctrine and the traditional Sacraments and fearlessly outspoken against the heretics in the hierarchy.