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  • "Alessandro Gnocchi is an Italian Catholic journalist and writer, traditionalist.  Graduated in philosophy, a former journalist of Il Giornale, he strongly denounces, through his books, articles and lectures, the revolution of Pope Francis.  He has been invited to lecture cycles organized by the FSSPX, and his bookshops frequently find his books.

     On January 16, at the Ricossa Cristiana site, he responded to someone who asked him about the possible agreement of the SSPX with Rome and about the dismissal of Fr Petrucci as Superior of the Italian District of the Fraternity."

    http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fnonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.com%2F&langpair=es%7Cen&en=es&en=UTF8

    "On January 21, a few days after the publication of this article, the SSPX published a response to it, signed by Fr. Angelo Citati." click on the "read more" to see the response along with Alessandro's counter response.


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    Alessandro Gnocchi,Italian Catholic journalist, against SSPX agreement
    « Reply #1 on: February 08, 2017, 08:24:51 AM »
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  • Link does not work for me. Please post the article and the rebuttal.
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    « Reply #2 on: February 08, 2017, 08:38:49 AM »
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    "Alessandro Gnocchi is an Italian Catholic journalist and writer, traditionalist.  Graduated in philosophy, a former journalist of Il Giornale, he strongly denounces, through his books, articles and lectures, the revolution of Pope Francis.  He has been invited to lecture cycles organized by the FSSPX, and his bookshops frequently find his books.

     On January 16, at the Ricossa Cristiana site, he responded to someone who asked him about the possible agreement of the SSPX with Rome and about the dismissal of Fr Petrucci as Superior of the Italian District of the Fraternity."

    http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fnonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.com%2F&langpair=es%7Cen&en=es&en=UTF8

    "On January 21, a few days after the publication of this article, the SSPX published a response to it, signed by Fr. Angelo Citati." click on the "read more" to see the response along with Alessandro's counter response.


    Mr G posted the translate link. The original (Spanish) link is better. A person can then click their flag for translation.

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    Alessandro Gnocchi is an Italian Catholic journalist and writer, traditionalist. Degree in philosophy, former journalist with Il Giornale, strongly denounced, through his books, articles and lectures, the revolution of Pope Francisco. He has been invited to lecture cycles organized by the FSSPX, and his bookshops frequently find his books.
    On January 16, on the site Ricossa Christian, he responded to someone who asked his opinion on the possible agreement of the SSPX with Rome and the dismissal of Father Petrucci and Italian District Superior of the Fraternity. Extract (emphasis in bold is ours):
    Monday 16 January 2017
    Very kind Alessandro Gnocchi:
    I am writing to you to have your opinion on ... the removal of Fr. Pierpaolo Petrucci from his position as superior of the Italian district of the SSPX and the interview in which Bishop Athanasius Schneider calls the Fraternity agreement with Rome giving the impression That is already done
    Roberta Russo

    Dear Roberta:

    In my view, the question is ... quite simple ... It is only a question of placing the above facts in the right perspective, which in my opinion is the following: still recognizing that the SSPX represents, but above all represented , An important phase in the life of the Tradition and therefore of the Church, it matters little to me that its leaders decide to throw themselves into the hands of Bergoglio and the anti-Catholic church that the bishop of Rome represents. I have written what it would mean if they did and I will not repeat it (click here ). I limit myself only to say it would be a hug Unnatural between who has made defense of the Catholic faith the very reason for life and who, instead, sees its mission in the destruction of the Catholic faith. Entering with great pomp in the Bergoglian neo-church, the heirs of Monsignor Lefebvre would carry the integrity of the faith to a place where no one cares, thus giving it an insignificant ostentation of embroidery and lace, only good for Ineffective traditionalists.

    The more I think about it, the more I convince myself that, however unpleasant it may be, this outcome would be dramatically lethal only if a burden that is not its own is borne on the shoulders of the SSPX: the salvation of our faith and our soul. That's why I care little about the decision that their leaders will make. Even if they are thrown into the arms of Bergoglio, the conditions will not be changed so that all souls, including yours and mine, are saved. We must continue to do what we did before.

    I can already feel the choir of orphans and abandoned to their fate and so many "faithful of Tradition" left in disorientation. Dear Roberta, if these faithful of the tradition were simply faithful Catholics, they would know very well what to do in the face of such a situation. And, above all, to trust in Providence, which, if at one time raised a Bishop Lefebvre, may well do so now. It is better to pray and strengthen to the Lord than to lose oneself in so many speeches.
    As for the removal of Father Petrucci, I do not know the letters, as they say, and therefore everything good take by holding the authority has taken this step. Otherwise, I merely make some observations on the communiqué with which the removal has been made public. I know little of Fr. Petrucci, and with this little I esteem him; but this is not the reason why I fell arms when I read the statement .

    I work for thirty years in the newspapers, which is the least merciful place in the world. Well, even here, when the most unworthy of the directors is expelled, the editor publishes a statement in which he thanks for all the work done and wishes him a happy professional future. It is not formalism Roberta, it is civility, it is respect towards a person to whom public shame is avoided. But of all this, in the communique of the SSPX on the P. Petrucci no traces are found. Obviously, the bergogliana mercy is so virulent that a few visits to Casa Santa Marta are enough to be infected. Believe me, it pitiates me who wrote it and I feel sorry for the priests who have had to read it in all the Masses.

    I am told that the statement was written in haste to avoid agitation by the faithful who, through the defense of Father Petrucci, intended to question the general house. It will be, but the question has been on the table since 2015, as the same FSSPX says, and it also turns out that the mandate of the superior of the Italian district expires in January. How is it possible that no one, with almost two years of preparation, had the lucidity to write something, I say no more Christian, but at least more civilized? If this is the human fabric with which the defenders of the Tradition are cut and sewn, I think I see a crude clerical cloth of which I am gladly at a distance.

    But there is another question, Roberta estimated. If the leaders of the Society of St. Pius X are capable of bringing such a disastrously minor question, what will they do when they have to direct the agitation of an eventual agreement with Bergoglian or post-Bergergian Rome, but certainly not Catholic? Perhaps that is why the role of superior of the Italian district has been assigned on an interim basis to Fr. Nely, second assistant of the Superior General Monsignor Bernard Fellay.
    As for the interview Msgr. Schneider, there is little to add to criticism and published in Ricossa Christian ( here and here ). I should like to say that it is not surprising to me that, from the outset, the objective of Schneider's statements has been to bring the SSPX back to the Roman fold, no matter who the custodian is, eliminating once and for all the anomaly of Monsignor Lefebvre erected in defense of the Catholic faith. What is strange, then, if now the emissary of Rome asks those who have welcomed him and given him credit, reach the end of the road undertaken?
    Concerning the arguments of Mgr. Schneider, I do not share them from beginning to end. But that is not the point. Worse than the arguments, I consider objectionable and fraudulent two passages that reinforce the thesis exposed. The first is the explicit attempt to prejudge the decision Monsignor Lefebvre had made today. Naturally, according to Monsignor Schneider, Lefebvre would have firmly accepted what Bergoglio offered. Well, there is no argument more intellectually miserable than attributing one's own way of thinking and decision to a dead person who can no longer express his own. Intellectually miserable for those who do it and potentially destructive for the host. If the FSSPX does so, it would inevitably end in the process of ineluctable revision of the thought of the founder that will lead to the decomposition of everything, but everything: orders, institutions, associations, movements founded by a personality of great charisma. I wonder: is this phenomenon of revision within the SSPX already in place?

    The other objectionable argument used by Monsignor Schneider is the accusation of little or no supernatural sense launched against those who oppose the embrace with modernist Rome. It falls here in the usual totalitarian vice of discrediting those who think differently, the "dissident," who, as soon as he lacks the fundamental requirements to express himself, has to be silent. If he has no supernatural sense, and this is set by Monsignor Schneider, he can not articulate thoughts, open his mouth or decide what to do, under penalty of thinking, word and deed.

    But the lack of supernatural sense is just what he was charged in his time Msgr. Lefebvre, who was quite clear with modernist Rome. How is Monsignor now being rehabilitated by appending the acceptance of the agreement? And, again, if this is the main argument, why could not anyone think that the same people who want to embrace Bergoglio have no supernatural meaning?
    Archbishop Schneider has never, in fact, ever waived his apology.

    Alessandro Gnocchi
    Praise be to Jesus Christ!



    Not perfect in translation, but the Google translation is readable.

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    « Reply #3 on: February 08, 2017, 10:27:05 AM »
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    Dear Roberta:

    In my view, the question is ... quite simple ... It is only a question of placing the above facts in the right perspective, which in my opinion is the following: still recognizing that the SSPX represents, but above all represented , An important phase in the life of the Tradition and therefore of the Church, it matters little to me that its leaders decide to throw themselves into the hands of Bergoglio and the anti-Catholic church that the bishop of Rome represents. I have written what it would mean if they did and I will not repeat it (click here ). I limit myself only to say it would be a hug Unnatural between who has made defense of the Catholic faith the very reason for life and who, instead, sees its mission in the destruction of the Catholic faith. Entering with great pomp in the Bergoglian neo-church, the heirs of Monsignor Lefebvre would carry the integrity of the faith to a place where no one cares, thus giving it an insignificant ostentation of embroidery and lace, only good for Ineffective traditionalists.


    The Spanish version actually says "me importa de veras poco que sus líderes decidan lanzarse en las manos de Bergoglio y la iglesia anticrística que el obispo de Roma representa

    I speak Spanish, and I would translate that as [b]the church of the anti-christ[/b]. If Gnochi were saying anti-Catholic, he would have said "anti-Catolica". The Italian original confirms my observation.
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    « Reply #4 on: February 08, 2017, 10:36:44 AM »
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    "it matters little to me that its leaders decide to throw themselves into the hands of Bergoglio and the anti-christ church that the bishop of Rome represents. .... Even if they are thrown into the arms of Bergoglio, the conditions will not be changed so that all souls, including yours and mine, are saved. We must continue to do what we did before"


    My sentiments all along.
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    « Reply #5 on: February 08, 2017, 10:41:57 AM »
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    Dear Roberta:

    In my view, the question is ... quite simple ... It is only a question of placing the above facts in the right perspective, which in my opinion is the following: still recognizing that the SSPX represents, but above all represented , An important phase in the life of the Tradition and therefore of the Church, it matters little to me that its leaders decide to throw themselves into the hands of Bergoglio and the anti-Catholic church that the bishop of Rome represents. I have written what it would mean if they did and I will not repeat it (click here ). I limit myself only to say it would be a hug Unnatural between who has made defense of the Catholic faith the very reason for life and who, instead, sees its mission in the destruction of the Catholic faith. Entering with great pomp in the Bergoglian neo-church, the heirs of Monsignor Lefebvre would carry the integrity of the faith to a place where no one cares, thus giving it an insignificant ostentation of embroidery and lace, only good for Ineffective traditionalists.


    The Spanish version actually says "me importa de veras poco que sus líderes decidan lanzarse en las manos de Bergoglio y la iglesia anticrística que el obispo de Roma representa

    I speak Spanish, and I would translate that as the church of the anti-christ. If Gnocchi were saying anti-Catholic, he would have said "anti-Catolica". The Italian original also confirms my observation.

    Thank you for posting the article, it is very enlightening.
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    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    « Reply #6 on: February 08, 2017, 06:33:50 PM »
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    Dear Roberta:

    In my view, the question is ... quite simple ... It is only a question of placing the above facts in the right perspective, which in my opinion is the following: still recognizing that the SSPX represents, but above all represented , An important phase in the life of the Tradition and therefore of the Church, it matters little to me that its leaders decide to throw themselves into the hands of Bergoglio and the anti-Catholic church that the bishop of Rome represents. I have written what it would mean if they did and I will not repeat it (click here ). I limit myself only to say it would be a hug Unnatural between who has made defense of the Catholic faith the very reason for life and who, instead, sees its mission in the destruction of the Catholic faith. Entering with great pomp in the Bergoglian neo-church, the heirs of Monsignor Lefebvre would carry the integrity of the faith to a place where no one cares, thus giving it an insignificant ostentation of embroidery and lace, only good for Ineffective traditionalists.


    The Spanish version actually says "me importa de veras poco que sus líderes decidan lanzarse en las manos de Bergoglio y la iglesia anticrística que el obispo de Roma representa

    I speak Spanish, and I would translate that as the church of the anti-christ. If Gnocchi were saying anti-Catholic, he would have said "anti-Catolica". The Italian original also confirms my observation.

    Thank you for posting the article, it is very enlightening.


    Thanks for that. It's good to learn how to translate words properly, or at least how to turn machine translation into something sensible. I left this alone as I know no Spanish. French would be fine, but not Spanish for me. Many here might suggest 'Anti-Catholic Church' isn't an inaccurate coinage or characterisation for the Conciliar Church of Modernist Rome, but as you say, the author said the more standard 'Church of the Anti-Christ' which is a strong term indeed.