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Do modern Popes ever COMMAND anything anyhow?
« on: May 22, 2012, 12:07:22 PM »
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  • A very salient post from Ignis Ardens:


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    Even if the Society was asked to sign absolutely nothing, and was granted a personal prelature, what will follow as night follows day is that at some point the authority of "rome" over the SSPX will be tested in the concrete order.  Something will be commanded, it doesn't really matter what, and it will be high noon.


    Just an observational note,

    The habit of the modern Vatican is not to explicitly command but "request" or otherwise make some appeal, as if to conscience. Those who refuse these "commands" are thereafter treated as something akin to what children would call "meanies" (to their superior), and not usually as being insubordinate or rebellious.

    The reasons for this should quickly become apparent: collegiality and the modern doctrine on the papacy are opposed to authoritarianism and deny the absolute authority of the Pope especially.

    Hence we see this strange mentality in the Novus Ordo that views Benedict XVI as being like some man who is helpless and surrounded by enemies, incapable of doing what he truly wants or commanding the Church; however, this is a fiction, since Benedict XVI and all the post-conciliar papal claimants make use of this "request" method, sometimes expressing themselves even in the form of a "wish". This deliberately avoids the Church's laws, as the Church's doctrine and law has no category for authorities generally requesting or wishing things because, owing to nature, these things are virtually commands and it would appear almost sadistic or malicious to give a command as if it were but a wish, desire or simple (non-obligatory) request.

    For example, it would be like your boss at work habitually telling you, "Could you do me a favour and complete your daily work before five PM?" And, "Thank you for doing your job today. I appreciate it." This is bizzarre and it creates the impression that you are doing a service purely out of voluntary charity, and not a service arising from heirarchical obedience and duty. Such language is usually reserved for and employed only in extraordinary requests; it virtually denies that you are obliged to do it or the one requesting has the authority to even request it.
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