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Offline chrstnoel1

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AGAINST AGAINST THE RUMORS
« on: November 10, 2012, 02:31:09 AM »
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  • Just got this from Father Francois Chazal.


    AGAINST AGAINST THE RUMORS

    + Massena New York 09 Nov 2012-11-09

    Dear Father Rostand,
    Please do not blame me for posting this letter on the internet, because I have no other
    means to answer you publicly; and, secondly, we are very low budget and the internet is incredibly cheap. As soon as we have a paper publication, you shall also be able to blame us as paper pamphleteers as well… and to your heart’s content.

    Your performance in Post Falls was quite impressive; I am truly impressed by the wit of some of your answers; your ability to dodge the questions at times. You have most of the quotes of the Archbishop on your fingertips, with the time and place. That is not my case, even if I wish you could communicate more certain quotes, especially the directives the Archbishop left us between June 1988 and the time he died.

    One of the main, and possibly the most effective accusation you make against us is that we supposedly accuse you to say and think things all the while you say the exact opposite.

    So, first, I would like to state again what you said to me in Post Falls, and what I can
    make from the tape of your conference:
    1. You told me that at this time, with guarantees, especially with the six conditions
    formulated on July 14th, a deal with Rome is possible, even if it is in a state of heresy.
    2.  You told me that you are neither in favour, nor against a deal, but that you leave this
    practical decision to Bishop Fellay, who is in the position, has the grace of state; and like
    Archbishop Lefebvre, is the most likely to enjoy the necessary prudence to make the right
    decision.
    3.  You deny any serious slide of our order on the doctrinal level. For you, there might be some liberalism within us, but not more than in years past, proof of it being sspx.org that still attacks Vatican II.

    Now, are these three points a fair statement of what you think at this juncture? Are you, like Bishop Fellay, going to tell me, that not knowing and refusing to acknowledge what you said many times, I make you say what you don’t say, or tell people that what you say is not what you think, in order to fulfill a subversive and dialectic agenda.

    If we are agreed that 1, 2 & 3 are a fair statement of what you think and preach, then, let us conclude honestly that we are at war, hopefully as gentlemen and especially as
    Christians.
    As for 1, any deal with the new and modernist Rome is death to us, period. If we could cobble 10 000 conditions, the scorpion would still kill us. Now, the six conditions have and insurmountable lameness and, especially, abandon the one condition that would suffice to place us, not to have a deal, but to submit to Rome: that is, that Rome truly and really returns to Tradition. (cf. my docuмent “I accuse the counsel”)
    As for 2, your reasoning is a petition of principle:

    Major: Practical decisions belong to the Superior General
    Minor: Signing a deal with Rome is a practical decision
    Conclusion: It belongs to the Superior General, and not to us to decide if and when to
    sign with Rome.

    Major: Bishop Fellay is the successor of Archbishop Lefebvre
    Minor: Archbishop Lefebvre was proved right in his decisions
    Conclusion: Bishop Fellay will make the right decision, (should he chooses to sign, even if he remains fallible).

    I put those caveats in this last conclusion, because I think it is what you think and said at times, but the jist of your reasoning remains the same: we must trust Bishop Fellay; our unity revolves around him; he is truly faithful to the founder should he decide to sign or not to sign.

    All this is a petition of principle by which, with much “aplomb” and “effronterie” you are ordering the sheep to follow the direction of a man who is in fact tied by a higher law than himself. You cannot postulate us to follow Bishop Fellay just because he makes a practical decision, or because he is a successor of a great person. Conciliar Popes are much more than that; and we cannot follow them, because, as members of the Catholic Church, we are not followers of a cult leader; and choosing Peter, Our Lord chose a man that had weaknesses (as well as a great power).

    And as for 3, faithful joining us testify that priest spend years not mentioning the crisis in their sermons (Fr Gardner, Fr Mc Donald); Fr Vernoy fell out with lay folks while blocking the reordering of books against Vatican II; Fr Pons said recently in a sermon that the novus ordo mass is valid without the necessary distinctions; Fr Daley told a priest in Indiana that the future hybrid mass will be acceptable. We do not have a week without any such examples of unchecked spread of liberalism, and I am not mentioning what happens on the wider picture (dici…)

    Hoping to meet you again when I return from Asia, I assure you of my prayers and my devoted concern.

    In Iesu et Maria,

    François Chazal+
    "It is impious to say, 'I respect every religion.' This is as much as to say: I respect the devil as much as God, vice as much as virtue, falsehood as much as truth, dishonesty as much as honesty, Hell as much as Heaven."
    Fr. Michael Muller, The Church and Her Enemies


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    AGAINST AGAINST THE RUMORS
    « Reply #1 on: November 10, 2012, 06:48:10 AM »
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  • Who can name the Freemasons among us at the lower levels?


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    AGAINST AGAINST THE RUMORS
    « Reply #2 on: November 18, 2012, 05:40:04 PM »
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    Fr Vernoy fell out with lay folks while blocking the reordering of books against Vatican II


    The parishioners at Fr. Vernoy's chapel in Sanford, Florida, USA, St. Thomas More Chapel, would be oblivious to this change of not re-oredering books against Vatican II, however, if the books would disappear from the shelves, that would be something that can be seen and verified.

    Therefore, I had someone I know go personally to see the bookstore, and they informed me that it is worse than Fr. Chazal is reporting, for all the books against Vatican II, all the books about and by Archbishop Lefebvre, and all the books about organized naturalism, ALL are GONE. Therefore, it is worse than was reported.

    Is this happening elsewhere in the USA/ World?

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    AGAINST AGAINST THE RUMORS
    « Reply #3 on: November 18, 2012, 08:54:38 PM »
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    Fr Vernoy fell out with lay folks while blocking the reordering of books against Vatican II


    The parishioners at Fr. Vernoy's chapel in Sanford, Florida, USA, St. Thomas More Chapel, would be oblivious to this change of not re-oredering books against Vatican II, however, if the books would disappear from the shelves, that would be something that can be seen and verified.

    Therefore, I had someone I know go personally to see the bookstore, and they informed me that it is worse than Fr. Chazal is reporting, for all the books against Vatican II, all the books about and by Archbishop Lefebvre, and all the books about organized naturalism, ALL are GONE. Therefore, it is worse than was reported.

    Is this happening elsewhere in the USA/ World?


    This is the reason such books as the paper back edition of "I accuse
    the Council!" by Mgr. Lefebvre  asking price on ebay as high as $1,500.00 per
    copy.

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    AGAINST AGAINST THE RUMORS
    « Reply #4 on: November 18, 2012, 09:01:00 PM »
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    Fr Vernoy fell out with lay folks while blocking the reordering of books against Vatican II


    The parishioners at Fr. Vernoy's chapel in Sanford, Florida, USA, St. Thomas More Chapel, would be oblivious to this change of not re-oredering books against Vatican II, however, if the books would disappear from the shelves, that would be something that can be seen and verified.

    Therefore, I had someone I know go personally to see the bookstore, and they informed me that it is worse than Fr. Chazal is reporting, for all the books against Vatican II, all the books about and by Archbishop Lefebvre, and all the books about organized naturalism, ALL are GONE. Therefore, it is worse than was reported.

    Is this happening elsewhere in the USA/ World?


    It is happening all over the globe but the level of absurdities will vary from place to place; Florida, of course, is known to be one of the worst places.

    South Florida has a similar problem as the one reported in Sanford. The independent Chapel of St. Philomena, taken over by the SSPX after Fr. Hopkins tragic's death last year, had its book store "cleaned-up" by the newly ordained priest, Fr. Leo Haynos (ordered by superior?), and you can no longer find a single book on the Jєωs; and believe me, there were plenty.

    Davie, one of the oldest places the SSPX have, is on defibrillator mode, the big benefactors feel they have had enough, especially after the expulsion of Bp. Williamson... And if there's no money, the neo-SSPX won't be interested in anyhow.

    It's the French Revolution in our own swamp land.  :really-mad2:


    And they still expect Catholics to support their cult?  :dwarf: Noooo!!!!

    Non Habemus Papam


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    AGAINST AGAINST THE RUMORS
    « Reply #5 on: November 18, 2012, 09:15:39 PM »
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  • "ONE SHOULD ALWAYS AVOID TO SPREAD THE VENOM OF DIVISION; THIS IS THE WORK OF THE DEVL.
    AND I KNOW WELL WHAT I AM SPEAKING ABOUT.
    ONCE AGAIN WE NEED YOUR PRAYER AND YOUR PENANCE!"


    Isn't Fr. Vernoy the priest reported as having said the above quote regarding ?

     :shocked:





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    « Reply #6 on: November 18, 2012, 09:21:10 PM »
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  • Or the one who's said the bellow regarding ?

    "These things are not the position of the hierarchy of the Society of St. Pius X.
    They are grievous offenses and I will just remind everybody what I sent few days ago:
    ONE SHOULD ALWAYS AVOID TO SPREAD THE VENOM OF DIVISION; THIS IS THE WORK OF THE DEVIL.
    AND I KNOW WELL WHAT I AM SPEAKING ABOUT.
    ONCE AGAIN WE NEED YOUR PRAYER AND YOUR PENANCE!"