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Offline Matto

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« on: March 19, 2014, 03:48:21 PM »
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  • I was just talking to one of my friends from my SSPX chapel. She would support the resistance but she is afraid that if she does the SSPX will refuse her the sacraments and she is able to get to the SSPX for the sacraments every week while the resistance comes only once in a while. And she is old so when she is dying the SSPX will be able to give her extreme unction while the resistance priests are too far away. Is it common for people who would otherwise support the resistance to not support them for fear that the SSPX would deny them the sacraments?
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    « Reply #1 on: March 19, 2014, 04:13:05 PM »
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  • I dont know, but I can tell you this much. I dont like the fact that people who go to the SSPX for the first time are instantly sought after to join this "Resistance" with its once a year masses, while at the same time secretly wondering whether any Catholic who starts going to the SSPX is a spy from the novus ordo. They need to get real IMO.

    Got nothing against the resistance except for them having the same flaw as the SSPX, that being they recognize a false pope as pope, but other than that they are genuine Catholics. Until I see a reason why the resistance should be supported i have nothing to do with them, although I would go to a resistance mass out of curiosity. But as usual amongst the SSPX when the laity organize something, it is spread by word of mouth, and is not public. Hence the fact that when something is done like recording interviews to promote the faith, they stay in the private collection of someone, rather than actually being used for that purpose. Hence also the situation where a mass is held in someone's house, which purports to be a Catholic mass, but you need an invite to go to it, if you are even told it exists that is. I dont know whether to keep going. Add to this the ridiculous positions that the Indult does not have traditional doctrine, because you can only get that at the SSPX. ( The Extra SSPX nulla salus est). One does not see this paranoia at the dioscesan latin mass, nor this secrecy.

    My point is, there is paranoia and secrecy among the SSPX laity and I see it as un-Catholic and I dont like it. Protestants are much more open and enthusiastic about increasing their number. The faith is not supposed to be a straight jacket that stops us from doing good deeds. Sure I will give you an example of what I talk about. I helped out at a protest in which me and other SSPX handed out leaflets, the leaflets had a website on them. You need a password to view the website.
    Is that what it comes down to with SSPX Catholics? Passwords? Invites? Secret masses?

    If this is so Im afraid the SSPX and the Resistance is going nowhere.
    They should not act like they are reduced to the catacombs until they are actually IN the catacombs. They dont appreciate the freedom they have and the difference they can make.
    Another example: One SSPX person I met is a millionaire. Instead of printing lots of leaflets about the SSPX to advertize the true mass and having them delivered to every house in the area, he laments his poverty, claims not to have enough money to fill his car with fuel, makes a hobby out of arguing with sedevacantists who reject the pope, while at the same time insulting the Indult who obey the pope, and holds the position that outside the SSPX there are no traditional Catholics, but since traditional Catholicism is necessary for salvation he is saying that outside the SSPX there is no salvation!?!?

    Outrageous.


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    « Reply #2 on: March 19, 2014, 04:24:37 PM »
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  • As last resource, a Catholic should be able to take the Sacraments from any validly ordained priest. The SSPX is not the Church.
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    « Reply #3 on: March 19, 2014, 04:35:29 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matto
    I was just talking to one of my friends from my SSPX chapel. She would support the resistance but she is afraid that if she does the SSPX will refuse her the sacraments and she is able to get to the SSPX for the sacraments every week while the resistance comes only once in a while. And she is old so when she is dying the SSPX will be able to give her extreme unction while the resistance priests are too far away. Is it common for people who would otherwise support the resistance to not support them for fear that the SSPX would deny them the sacraments?


    Did an SSPX priest actually tell your friend this, or was it a layperson?  
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    « Reply #4 on: March 19, 2014, 04:44:14 PM »
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    Did an SSPX priest actually tell your friend this, or was it a layperson?  

    No one told her they would deny her the sacraments. She fears it though.
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    « Reply #5 on: March 19, 2014, 04:53:45 PM »
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  • they fear it in my chapel too......

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    « Reply #6 on: March 19, 2014, 06:12:03 PM »
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    Hence also the situation where a mass is held in someone's house, which purports to be a Catholic mass, but you need an invite to go to it, if you are even told it exists that is. I dont know whether to keep going.


    This is the chip on your shoulder.

    Your main problem with the Resistance is right here -- somehow no one gave you a personal invite, so you feel all miffed. It reminds me of a child pouting or sulking.

    Even if they did somehow forget you, just rise above it already. That's what real men do.

    I don't know how it is in Ireland, but in this country everyone is welcome at any Mass offered by a Resistance priest. There is only one individual (nationwide) who is notorious for his behavior, and he is sometimes not welcome at this or that person's house. But other than that, I've not even HEARD of this being a problem.

    Just go to their Mass. As if a Resistance coordinator would throw out a would-be supporter!

    Even you admit they don't require an invite. All you can say is, "I don't know whether to keep going." You just don't feel very special that they don't invite you personally.

    Again, just get over it. The Faith is more important than wounded pride or hurt feelings.

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    « Reply #7 on: March 19, 2014, 06:29:19 PM »
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    Hence also the situation where a mass is held in someone's house, which purports to be a Catholic mass, but you need an invite to go to it, if you are even told it exists that is. I dont know whether to keep going.


    This is the chip on your shoulder.

    Your main problem with the Resistance is right here -- somehow no one gave you a personal invite, so you feel all miffed. It reminds me of a child pouting or sulking.

    Even if they did somehow forget you, just rise above it already. That's what real men do.

    I don't know how it is in Ireland, but in this country everyone is welcome at any Mass offered by a Resistance priest. There is only one individual (nationwide) who is notorious for his behavior, and he is sometimes not welcome at this or that person's house. But other than that, I've not even HEARD of this being a problem.

    Just go to their Mass. As if a Resistance coordinator would throw out a would-be supporter!

    Even you admit they don't require an invite. All you can say is, "I don't know whether to keep going." You just don't feel very special that they don't invite you personally.

    Again, just get over it. The Faith is more important than wounded pride or hurt feelings.



    I agree. I assist Mass in a chapel built onto someone's home and receive emails when Mass will be. There is no secret to come or special invite. The coordinators never know exactly when there will be Mass. That is all. They also do everything that they can to get people to come.
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    « Reply #8 on: March 19, 2014, 09:16:03 PM »
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    Did an SSPX priest actually tell your friend this, or was it a layperson?  

    No one told her they would deny her the sacraments. She fears it though.


    Would they?
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    « Reply #9 on: March 20, 2014, 12:42:00 AM »
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  • I wonder if word does not get around as to where a resistance Mass will be because of disorganization rather than secrecy.

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    « Reply #10 on: March 20, 2014, 05:32:07 AM »
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  • i have been to some resistance Mass's, but not all, some i just didn't get to hear about. it usually involves travelling, so perhaps organisers just do the best they can, in short notice, i was disappointed not to know, but what can you do, everything is up in the air for everyone.


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    « Reply #11 on: March 20, 2014, 02:29:49 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matto
    I was just talking to one of my friends from my SSPX chapel. She would support the resistance but she is afraid that if she does the SSPX will refuse her the sacraments and she is able to get to the SSPX for the sacraments every week while the resistance comes only once in a while. And she is old so when she is dying the SSPX will be able to give her extreme unction while the resistance priests are too far away. Is it common for people who would otherwise support the resistance to not support them for fear that the SSPX would deny them the sacraments?


    I don't know if it's common or not, but I have heard about it happening.

    I believe that if you have the courage to stand up for what you believe in, no matter how hopeless the situation, then God WILL provide what you need.

    On the other hand, I certainly understand the situation some people are in and I would certainly not want to accuse them of anything. God only knows.

    Let those who are strong enough stand up and fight.

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    « Reply #12 on: March 20, 2014, 02:58:41 PM »
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    I was just talking to one of my friends from my SSPX chapel. She would support the resistance but she is afraid that if she does the SSPX will refuse her the sacraments and she is able to get to the SSPX for the sacraments every week while the resistance comes only once in a while. And she is old so when she is dying the SSPX will be able to give her extreme unction while the resistance priests are too far away. Is it common for people who would otherwise support the resistance to not support them for fear that the SSPX would deny them the sacraments?


    You ought to tell her to read today's Missal - here is the Lesson for today:

    LESSON Jer. 17:5-10

    Thus saith the Lord:

    "Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord. For he shall be like tamaric in the desert, and he shall not see when good shall come: but he shall dwell in dryness in the desert in a salt land, and not inhabited.

    "Blessed be the man that trusteth in the Lord, and the Lord shall be his confidence. And he shall be as a tree that is planted by the waters, that spreadeth out its roots towards moisture: and it shall not fear when the heat cometh. And the leaf thereof shall be green, and in the time of drought it shall not be solicitous, neither shall it cease at any time to bring forth fruit.

    "The heart is perverse above all things, and unsearchable, who can know it? I am the Lord who search the heart, and prove the reins: who give to every one according to his way, and according to the fruit of his devices.

    We should trust in the Lord, and have his confidence, as He has promised to give to every one according to his way.

    God will send you the priest at the end of your life, if He deems it necessary.  
    After all He is The Supreme Author of our lives.

    Pax Christi!