I won't disagree that there are some out there who simply follow personalities. But, it goes both ways. One person here won't listen to a word Fr J Pfeiffer has to say because he messed something up at a retreat she went to years ago. (How's that for charismatic?)

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Fr. Hewko was our associate priest, I had lunch with Fr. Voigt the last time he was in town at the end of 2013

I guess that proves they aren't very charismatic. I've only met Fr Hewko twice and have never met Fr Voigt and yet I "follow" them and presume you do not.

It must be something else then.  :scratchchin:

Maybe I am just to dim to understand what I am resisting by boycotting my chapel Mass and going to Fr. Hewko's Mass in our neighbor's dining room? Am I boycotting my chapel Mass because Max K. is +Fellay's attorney or because he expelled +Williamson or because the priest in Post Falls didn't take off his maniple when he gave the sermon or all of these?

VinnyF,

Try and look at it this way. Imagine you live in Arizona and the Russians invade the US. They start with Montana. Everybody is called to arms. Will you reply : "Leave me alone, it doesn't affect me. I live in Arizona and I can't see any Russians, so what's the big deal. What good will I do by putting on my uniform ?".

Try and step back and see the big picture.

If you are not part of the solution, then you are probably part of the problem !

But using the Resistance tactics, aren't you supporting fighting it by leaving it - for Resistance Chapels, resistance Masses, and Resistance Seminaries?

VinnyF,

Try and look at it this way. Imagine you live in Arizona and the Russians invade the US. They start with Montana. Everybody is called to arms. Will you reply : "Leave me alone, it doesn't affect me. I live in Arizona and I can't see any Russians, so what's the big deal. What good will I do by putting on my uniform ?".

Try and step back and see the big picture.

If you are not part of the solution, then you are probably part of the problem !

If you start world war III because they invaded Crimea (which wants to be part of them anyway, evidenced by a HUGE turnout and overwhelming vote), then you are part of a much bigger problem.

I guess what we "anti-resistance" types think is that "the resistance" shot its bolt far too early.  No deal with Rome was done, no agreement made.

A while back you were insisting it was a "done deal" and a "sell out".  While I was of the opinion that it would not happen despite all the pessimism.

Your [the resistance's] Cassandra calls were actually incorrect but by that stage you were pot committed and had to break away or face censure and shame.  And, I will be the first to admit, that Bishop Fellay would have put those priests through the wringer for speaking out of turn and undermining him.

Before I take up arms and rush to Montana to kill people I want to make sure some nutcase has not exaggerated and told me that a bar fight in Moscow, ID was a "Russian invasion".  Because very stupid people are capable of that.  Just as they are capable of believing in fake snow which won't melt and faked moon landings and all sorts of other wacky ideas.

That is called being prudent.

Has anyone any advice regarding the starting of a Resistance Chapel ? In particular :

How does one advertise and spread the word ? My family has been keeping a low profile and we generally only mix with a select few, so we wouldn't be able to know and contact all possible candidates in our parish discreetly. So, shall we stand at the back of the SSPX Chapel and hand out flyers ? If yes, what shall we write ? If no, how else can we get the word out ?

What other tactics could work ? I don't mind sticking my neck out, but it seems to me that most of our parishoners have grown a very thick skin and skull that will take a miracle to penetrate.

Surely many have done this before and could give some advice..

Don't hand out fliers, that will be the end of you.

Does your parish have an email directory ?- If not request one be made. Instead of handing out fliers, sneak them into the bulletin or go in early and when no one is watching "locate" them throughout the chapel. Have someone place fliers on the windshields of cars in the parking lot during mass.

If you start world war III because they invaded Crimea (which wants to be part of them anyway, evidenced by a HUGE turnout and overwhelming vote), then you are part of a much bigger problem.

I guess what we "anti-resistance" types think is that "the resistance" shot its bolt far too early.  No deal with Rome was done, no agreement made.

When modernism starts corrupting Rome, that IS a World War, and when this same modernism starts corrupting the last Bastion of Tradition, that IS a World War. It just happens that some see it early, some see it late. And it is thanks to the fact that a very small number of Bishops and Priests treated it as a World War that we had the SSPX for this long. And it may well be thanks to a very small number of bishops and priests that the SSPX has not yet formally capitulated.

A while back you were insisting it was a "done deal" and a "sell out".  While I was of the opinion that it would not happen despite all the pessimism.

Your [the resistance's] Cassandra calls were actually incorrect but by that stage you were pot committed and had to break away or face censure and shame.  And, I will be the first to admit, that Bishop Fellay would have put those priests through the wringer for speaking out of turn and undermining him.

I wonder if you confuse me here with someone else. If you were talking about the Resistance in general, I believe the same applies. The only thing I (and others) have said in the past is that in the minds of Bishop Fellay and his cronies, the damage has been done, that they already have converted to Conciliar Rome. Again, it is only thanks to the few who saw it coming early enough and acted upon that, that all is not lost yet for the SSPX.

Don't hand out fliers, that will be the end of you.

Does your parish have an email directory ?- If not request one be made. Instead of handing out fliers, sneak them into the bulletin or go in early and when no one is watching "locate" them throughout the chapel. Have someone place fliers on the windshields of cars in the parking lot during mass.

Actually, any of those options listed may very well be the end of you. Someone will run to the priest with the material and you will be hunted down relentlessly.

You are in a very tough position and there of many more of us out here with the same problem. You risk being ejected from your Chapel with no Resistance Chapel to take its place, if not enough folks join you to make a Resistance Chapel work. Weigh the risks carefully before you act. If you have enough committed allies to make it work, that is one thing, but if all you manage to do is cut yourself off from the Mass and sacraments, the price is pretty high.