Author Topic: Accusations that has befallen our apostolate in Australia - FR. CHAZAL (Read 8980 times)

richard · « **Reply #15 on:** March 26, 2016, 06:06:52 PM »

Wow Maybe Fr.Chazal might be a candidate for the Asian bishop,impressive letter.

Matto · « **Reply #16 on:** March 26, 2016, 06:28:32 PM »

I like Father Chazal a lot, though I have never met him in person. I watch him on youtube. I wish I could find more videos of him. I can find more of Father Pfeiffer.

PG · « **Reply #17 on:** March 26, 2016, 07:03:22 PM »

I think the problem with this melbourne committee is the covetous spirit that appears to be pervading it. Because, other than the lay righteousness, such a committee is not entirely a bad thing. The only solution I see for them/us is poverty in spirit. Because, +Williamson has decided against a strict hierarchical structure. And, fr. chazal is for obvious reasons here deciding against the strict hierarchical structures polar opposite. So, that means that melbourne, and likely everywhere else, is not going to have a fancy dancy chapel giving its members a sense of 1950s normalcy. And, I think that is a good thing. Because, we are in a crisis, and if we try to become normal, I think we are going to be losing something in its place. Some trads lose the papacy, other trads lose on some other divisive or disputed issue. And, in this case, we would be losing canon law if replaced by this type of lay investiture. So, good for fr. chazal. But, do not be too hard on these ausis. Because, I think they are serious trads. They just need direction, like we all do. So, let us pray for our three bishops. Because, they are our rocks.

Servus Pius · « **Reply #18 on:** March 26, 2016, 10:10:35 PM »

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Chazal:
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But the good Bishop has tripped in the past. Why now? Why resurface his belief in Maria Valtorta for instance?

Not sure what he means by this and other remarks in his letter. Where specifically has +W "tripped in the past?" And does bringing up Maria Valtorta constitute a misstep from the past? Does Fr. Chazal not quite realize how much damage his one time "resistance" priest partner has done?

As for the withholding of entry permits or visas, the Jєωs, of course, have had a lot to do with it. Jєωry is quite influential in Australia.

JєωS??? It's all their fault. Isn't that too simplistic? Or maybe those folks in Australia have something to do with it. In the NOVUS ORDO community, the PASTORAL COMMITTEE usually holds more power than a priest. The priest is just an EMPLOYEE whom they could fire as they wish.

Or maybe, it's the JєωS fault. Which do you believe??

hollingsworth · « **Reply #19 on:** March 27, 2016, 12:15:19 AM »

Servus Pius:

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JєωS??? It's all their fault. Isn't that too simplistic?

Sorry to not have not made my meaning clearer. Mea culpa. Of course, this strained situation down under, as described by Fr. C, is not the Jєωs' fault. That mixed up situation there has been created by others.

I simply make reference to the Jєωs, almost in passing, based upon a remark in Fr. C's commentary, viz.

Fr. Chazal:

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Obviously if people can't get along with bishop Williamson that's fine, as long as they get along with his successors, and there is no chance for them to see him down under either, because the Jєωιѕн lobby is preventing his australian visa to be granted. It is pretty hard to paint a bad picture of our two new bishops, who don't like to rock the lifeboat as much as the Dino does.

Bp. W's not being able to travel presently to Australia because of the Jєωιѕн lobby's influence is certainly not at the core of the problem. You are right. That would be far too simplistic an explanation.

chrstnoel1 · « **Reply #20 on:** March 27, 2016, 12:51:44 AM »

Quote from: Matto

I like Father Chazal a lot, though I have never met him in person. I watch him on youtube. I wish I could find more videos of him. I can find more of Father Pfeiffer.

There are two channels on your tube you can try :-
1) archcrusader1
2) Pascendi Gregris

Blessed Easter

cebu · « **Reply #21 on:** March 28, 2016, 11:41:20 AM »

Perhaps I missed something here, but am I right in thinking that the trouble makers in Melbourne are pfeifferites?

Servus Pius · « **Reply #22 on:** March 30, 2016, 07:32:51 AM »

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Perhaps I missed something here, but am I right in thinking that the trouble makers in Melbourne are pfeifferites?

The PLOT thickens! Now this I would like to know

hollingsworth · « **Reply #23 on:** March 30, 2016, 10:42:20 AM »

Cebu:

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Perhaps I missed something here, but am I right in thinking that the trouble makers in Melbourne are pfeifferites?

I don't think you have missed anything. Of course, the trouble makers there are Pfeifferites. Who else would they be? The followers of Bp. Williamson? LOL

cebu · « **Reply #24 on:** March 30, 2016, 12:25:25 PM »

That makes sense.

Wherever the pfeifferites go they cause chaos, disorder and turmoil. We know from St Ignatius's Exercises what that is a sign of. You get the same impression if you can bear to watch a sermon of Fr Pfeiffer.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #25 on:** March 30, 2016, 12:42:42 PM »

Yes, the turmoil in Australia can be laid directly at the feet of Fr. Pfeiffer, I think. One can not certainly blame Bp. Williamson for this. Remember, Fr. P. has indicated clearly that H.E. is not his leader. He has said this in a number of speaking and conference venues. Fr. P's "superior" is still Bp. Fellay, again, by his own admission.

PG · « **Reply #26 on:** March 30, 2016, 12:55:31 PM »

hollingsworth - how sure are you that the ausis are pfiefferites? I thought the australians are more sedevacantist leaning, and that is why they are so independent minded. I remember when fr. pfieffer was in australia, the ausis were trying to pin him on questions about the "nine" and why we are not following suit in certain ways. I remember the conference questions/mood, and I will go out on a limb and say that the ausis are not pfiefferites. I think they are just survivalist minded trads. And, I sure hope that they remain patient, because I believe that +Williamson is, like our Lord, saving the best wine for last.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #27 on:** March 30, 2016, 01:25:57 PM »

No, PG, I am not sure. But Pfeifferism has sure created turmoil here in the states. But if Fr. P. is not the major problem in Australia, I stand corrected. But I'll bet this priest is, at least, part of the problem there.

Gail · « **Reply #28 on:** March 30, 2016, 02:30:57 PM »

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No, PG, I am not sure. But Pfeifferism has sure created turmoil here in the states. But if Fr. P. is not the major problem in Australia, I stand corrected. But I'll bet this priest is, at least, part of the problem there.

Yes definitely - but only for a small group; however thankfully THIS GROUP DOES NOT REPRESENT ALL OF THE MEMBERS of the Australian Resistance. Even so, it has had a profound effect.

Servus Pius · « **Reply #29 on:** March 30, 2016, 03:34:32 PM »

Quote from: Gail

Quote from: hollingsworth
No, PG, I am not sure. But Pfeifferism has sure created turmoil here in the states. But if Fr. P. is not the major problem in Australia, I stand corrected. But I'll bet this priest is, at least, part of the problem there.

Yes definitely - but only for a small group; however thankfully THIS GROUP DOES NOT REPRESENT ALL OF THE MEMBERS of the Australian Resistance. Even so, it has had a profound effect.

Hmmmm..sounds like a sabotage operation to cut-off Fr.Chazal, Fr.Picot or any Resistance priests from coming to Australia :detective: