Author Topic: Abp. Muller Responds: Trad Criticisms are Unintelligent Provocations (Read 814 times)

stevusmagnus · « **on:** August 10, 2012, 07:39:07 AM »

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2012/08/muller-yes-i-do-believe-in-those-things.html

Vatican City, Aug 6, 2012 - The new head of the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith says he wants the department to play a positive role in the New Evangelization, rather than simply responding to doctrinal problems as they arise.

“The task of this congregation is not only to defend the Catholic faith but to promote it, to give the positive aspects and possibilities of the whole richness of the Catholic faith,” Archbishop Gerhard Ludwig Muller told EWTN News in a July 20 interview.

“We must speak about God the Father, the Lord Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, and also about Holy Scripture, the great Tradition of the Church, our Creed and our belief. In this way our hearts will be more open and our thinking more profound,” he said. ...

Archbishop Muller’s latest appointment, however, has been met with a degree of criticism from some who allege he holds unorthodox views on a range of issues – from the perpetual virginity of Our Lady, to the real presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist, to the relationship of non-Catholic Christians to the Church.

“These are not criticisms, they are provocations. And not very intelligent provocations at that,” he said. “Either they have not read what I have written or they have not understood it.”

“Our Catholic faith is very clear,” he explained,“that at the consecration during Mass a change occurs so that the whole substance of the bread and wine is changed into the whole substance body and blood of Jesus Christ, and that this change is rightly called transubstantiation. And we have refused to accept all the other interpretations, consubstantiation, transignification, transfinalisation and so on.”

The Church is also equally clear on the “virginity of Mary, mother of Jesus, mother of God, before, during and after the birth of Christ,” Archbishop Muller stated.

Remnant responds here: http://www.remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/20120815-muller-responds.htm

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #1 on:** August 10, 2012, 09:53:08 AM »

New recording of John Vennari on Voice of Catholic Radio:
(duration about 1/2 hour)

http://www.voiceofcatholicradio.com/walk,120805,vennari_bagnoli_interview_re_bishop_g_l_mueller_arc,33_min.mp3

This is all about the docuмented behavior of Archbishop Mueller regarding very
important things, that tell us what we can expect at the CDF during his tenure.
The SSPX is going to have to simply wait for better times, that is, a time after
Mueller is no longer head of CDF. -- But he's just now been appointed!!

Modernist use standard vocabulary but they're thinking different definitions.

Truth changes over time -- in Oath Against Modernism, it requires refutation of this.

Certain aspects of Catholic doctrine changes over time -- condemned by Pope Pius IX.

Fr. Leyman, now Archbishop: this idea that Protestants must convert to the Catholic
faith for salvation is outdated. Mueller is a student of Leyman.

Fr. David Greenstock -- mix of tradition and innovation. Church, grace, salvation,
unity all appear to be Catholic, but to the Modernist, these words mean something
different, and therefore a new message is being described.

We move from doctrinal clarity to doctrinal ambiguity.

Mueller takes the virginity of Mary away from the physical and takes it into the
spiritual sense, suggesting that Protestant teaching is acceptable.

What if everyone in the congregation puts a note in the collection basket that says,
We have donated in the spiritual sense," how far would that go to pay the bills?

Mueller is telling us flat-out what he is. He's a:
- Revolution by evolution Modernist,
- Revolution by evolution proponent of the new theology
- Revolution by evolution proponent of so-called living tradition.

People are not told some basic truths, and because they're not told, they don't
know these truths exist.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #2 on:** August 10, 2012, 10:02:05 AM »

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“These are not criticisms, they are provocations. And not very intelligent provocations at that,” he said. “Either they have not read what I have written or they have not understood it.”

Who does this remind you of?

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #3 on:** August 10, 2012, 10:10:26 AM »

Quote from: stevusmagnus

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2012/08/muller-yes-i-do-believe-in-those-things.html

Vatican City, Aug 6, 2012 - The new head of the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith says he wants the department to play a positive role in the New Evangelization, rather than simply responding to doctrinal problems as they arise.

“The task of this congregation is not only to defend the Catholic faith but to promote it, to give the positive aspects and possibilities of the whole richness of the Catholic faith,” Archbishop Gerhard Ludwig Muller told EWTN News in a July 20 interview.

“We must speak about God the Father, the Lord Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, and also about Holy Scripture, the great Tradition of the Church, our Creed and our belief. In this way our hearts will be more open and our thinking more profound,” he said. ...

Our problem comes from the fact that when Mueller, like any other Modernist,
when he says "God the Father," he means something other than what we would
presume he means, when he says "the Lord Jesus Christ," he's not talking about
Our Lord as we might presume, when he says "the Holy Spirit," he's referring to
something other than the Holy Ghost as we might suppose.

The same applies to "Holy Scripture," "the great Tradition of the Church," "our
Creed and our belief." He uses these words to draw in our sympathy and make
us feel confident in him, but all the while he has an entirely different agenda in
mind, one which can only come to the surface in due time.

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Archbishop Muller’s latest appointment, however, has been met with a degree of criticism from some who allege he holds unorthodox views on a range of issues – from the perpetual virginity of Our Lady, to the real presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist, to the relationship of non-Catholic Christians to the Church.

“These are not criticisms, they are provocations. And not very intelligent provocations at that,” he said. “Either they have not read what I have written or they have not understood it.”

Can you imagine Mueller insulting a questioner like this if it were a Jєωιѕн rabbi
or a Lutheran minister asking him to clarify something? He would NEVER commit
such a disrespectful act to them, but to an SSPX priest, he openly and virulently
slaps them in the face with his vile insults.

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“Our Catholic faith is very clear,” he explained,“that at the consecration during Mass a change occurs so that the whole substance of the bread and wine is changed into the whole substance body and blood of Jesus Christ, and that this change is rightly called transubstantiation. And we have refused to accept all the other interpretations, consubstantiation, transignification, transfinalisation and so on.”

Again: you cannot presume to know what he's talking about when he says things
using Catholic terminology, because to him, these words mean something other
than what they mean to you or me. Mueller is a Modernist through and through.

He's a dyed-in-the-wool Modernist, and he is NOT TO BE TRUSTED.

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The Church is also equally clear on the “virginity of Mary, mother of Jesus, mother of God, before, during and after the birth of Christ,” Archbishop Muller stated.

Remnant responds here: http://www.remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/20120815-muller-responds.htm

The SSPX and the Catholic Church in general now has to wait until this man
either steps down, or dies, or is replaced; because as long as he heads the CDF,
nothing good can come of it. And there can be no so-called regularization of the
SSPX so long as Mueller stands in the way.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #4 on:** August 10, 2012, 10:26:29 AM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

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“These are not criticisms, they are provocations. And not very intelligent provocations at that,” he said. “Either they have not read what I have written or they have not understood it.”

Who does this remind you of?

This reminds me of Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, whose "clandestines" circulated in
secret to snickering progressives.

This reminds me of Pope Paul VI, whose principal priority was to demolish Apostolic
Tradition from the highest office of the Church.

This reminds me of Cardinal Karl Lehmann, the mentor of Archbishop Mueller.

This reminds me of satan.

Again, you have to keep in mind that when Mueller says, "...they are provocations,"
you cannot reasonably rule out that he might be saying that these things attack
Modernism, such that he could say the very same thing about the contents of
Sacrorum Antistitum, or the Syllabus of Errors, that "these are provocations."

You have to keep in mind that "not very intelligent provocations at that," can not
be presumed to mean other than than, in order to be "intelligent" it would have
to be Modernist.

You have to keep in mind that when Mueller says, "Either they have not read what
I have written or they have not understood it," that he means to say, that in order
for someone to read his words and "understand" them, that they would have to
be able to peek into Mueller's mind and perceive what his latest version of reality
is, because it's always changing. It can change meanings mid-sentence. In fact,
there is no way that anyone can ever know what he means when he speaks
because his spiritual father is a liar from the beginning.

He cannot be trusted.