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Offline Matthew

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 “We know now with whom we have to deal. We know perfectly well that we are dealing with a “diabolical hand” which is located at Rome, and which is demanding, by obedience, the destruction of the Church! And this is why we have the right and the duty to refuse this obedience… I believe that I have the right to ask these gentlemen who present themselves in offices which were occupied by Cardinals… “Are you with the Catholic Church?” “Are you the Catholic Church?” “With whom am I dealing?” If I am dealing with someone who has a pact with Masonry, have I the right to speak with such a person? Have I the duty to listen to them and to obey them?” (Archbishop Lefebvre, 1978, Ordination Sermon, “Apologia Pro Marcel Lefebvre”, Vol. 2, p.209, Michael Davies)
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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2014, 12:56:27 PM »
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    « Reply #2 on: July 11, 2014, 11:00:31 AM »
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  • "We know perfectly well that we are dealing with a “diabolical hand” which is located at Rome, and which is demanding, by obedience, the destruction of the Church."

    Just imagine a statement like this proceeding from the lips of Bp. Fellay, Fr. Phluger or Fr. Rostand!  These cassocked imposters would just as soon die than say something like this publicly.  You have only to publish the countless utterances of the Archbishop throughout his career, then compare them with what comes out of the mouths of these neo-sspx fraudsters.  

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    « Reply #3 on: July 11, 2014, 11:13:57 AM »
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  • Michael Davis was not buried by an SSPX priest though.

    And for the last 20 years of his life I don't think he went to many SSPX masses.

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    « Reply #4 on: July 11, 2014, 11:18:34 AM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
    “We know now with whom we have to deal. We know perfectly well that we are dealing with a “diabolical hand” which is located at Rome, and which is demanding, by obedience, the destruction of the Church! And this is why we have the right and the duty to refuse this obedience… I believe that I have the right to ask these gentlemen who present themselves in offices which were occupied by Cardinals… “Are you with the Catholic Church?” “Are you the Catholic Church?” “With whom am I dealing?” If I am dealing with someone who has a pact with Masonry, have I the right to speak with such a person? Have I the duty to listen to them and to obey them?” (Archbishop Lefebvre, 1978, Ordination Sermon, “Apologia Pro Marcel Lefebvre”, Vol. 2, p.209, Michael Davies)


    I have met many priests, know one now who I want to ask, "Do you even believe in God ?'

    Seems to me more that they believe in a God who loves them enough that He approves of sodomy for their pleasure. Disgusting, but if they believe that than they will believe God will go along with anything.

    That is why God is now demoted to an emotion called "love". If you can take the personality and will of God out of the equation you don't have to have a conscience and anything goes.

    The protestants, a lot of them, seem to understand that.


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    « Reply #5 on: July 11, 2014, 01:58:56 PM »
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    Michael Davis was not buried by an SSPX priest though.

     And for the last 20 years of his life I don't think he went to many SSPX masses.


    And just what does that useless piece of information have to do with the price of beer?  :thinking:

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    « Reply #6 on: July 11, 2014, 02:21:04 PM »
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    Michael Davis was not buried by an SSPX priest though.

    And for the last 20 years of his life I don't think he went to many SSPX masses.


    Mr. Davies switched back to following the masons, with their "Catholic lite" imagery.  He either no longer believed that there was a crisis or he was a man who, in the end, wanted the approval of man.  

    Mr. Davies made his peace with the Conciliar Church that acknowledges other faiths (Christ denying faiths) as "of God".  He chose to join them.  He made a act of his own volition to side with those who are indifferent but still wearing the cross around their neck.  

    Mr. Davies is a bit of a puzzle.  I don't have all the pieces so I am just opining at this time but I do know that a novus ordo priest put his fist on the table and told the crowd "Islam, Judaism and Christianity all worship the same God."    


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    « Reply #7 on: July 11, 2014, 03:55:09 PM »
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    I don't have all the pieces so I am just opining at this time but I do know that a novus ordo priest put his fist on the table and told the crowd "Islam, Judaism and Christianity all worship the same God."    


    That's funny. I thought Christians believed Jesus was God and Muslims believed that Jesus denied being God and Jews believed that Jesus was not God and was burning in hell.
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    « Reply #8 on: July 11, 2014, 04:16:23 PM »
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  • Michael Davies sadly became a liberal, and a treacherous one at that. See the polemics between him and Atilia S. Guimaraes here http://traditioninaction.org/polemics/F_02_Davies1_Index.html
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    « Reply #9 on: July 11, 2014, 06:42:58 PM »
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  • Quote from: hollingsworth
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    Michael Davis ...


    And just what does that useless piece of information have to do with the price of beer?  :thinking:

    Exactly.  Michael Davies (may he rest in peace) was not the thread topic in the OP; his book was just listed as the source of the quote, which is the thread topic.

    And now, back to the thread topic:

    Quote from: Archbishop Lefebvre
    “We know now with whom we have to deal. We know perfectly well that we are dealing with a “diabolical hand” which is located at Rome, and which is demanding, by obedience, the destruction of the Church! And this is why we have the right and the duty to refuse this obedience… I believe that I have the right to ask these gentlemen who present themselves in offices which were occupied by Cardinals… “Are you with the Catholic Church?” “Are you the Catholic Church?” “With whom am I dealing?” If I am dealing with someone who has a pact with Masonry, have I the right to speak with such a person? Have I the duty to listen to them and to obey them?” (Archbishop Lefebvre, 1978, Ordination Sermon, )


    Another one:

    Quote from: In 1988 Archbishop Lefebvre
    ... the basic problem remains unchanged: Rome means to exterminate Tradition...

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    « Reply #10 on: July 12, 2014, 05:30:15 PM »
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    Michael Davis ...

    And just what does that useless piece of information have to do with the price of beer?  :thinking:


    Exactly.  Michael Davies (may he rest in peace) was not the thread topic in the OP; his book was just listed as the source of the quote, which is the thread topic.

    And now, back to the thread topic:

    Quote from: Archbishop Lefebvre
    “We know now with whom we have to deal. We know perfectly well that we are dealing with a “diabolical hand” which is located at Rome, and which is demanding, by obedience, the destruction of the Church! And this is why we have the right and the duty to refuse this obedience… I believe that I have the right to ask these gentlemen who present themselves in offices which were occupied by Cardinals… “Are you with the Catholic Church?” “Are you the Catholic Church?” “With whom am I dealing?” If I am dealing with someone who has a pact with Masonry, have I the right to speak with such a person? Have I the duty to listen to them and to obey them?” (Archbishop Lefebvre, 1978, Ordination Sermon, )



    Another one:
    Quote from: In 1988 Archbishop Lefebvre
    ... the basic problem remains unchanged: Rome means to exterminate Tradition...




    The current (July '14) issue of CFN has an excerpt of a "daily video program" from the Fatima Center, titled, "Your Questions Answered with Father Gruner," hosted by John Vennari.  


    So now, just as the first 2 pages were hijacked by chatter about Michael Davies, so too, the next 2 or 3 pages can go around in circles about Vennari and Gruner -- with ad-hominems.    :rolleyes:


    Nevertheless, the article has some interesting material.  

    The Freemasons in the Catholic hierarchy are not limited to priests, but extend to bishops and most notably, to cardinals.  Fr. Gruner quotes Msgr. Putti, the founder of Si Si No No, with whom he had discussed this over 35 years ago.  This publication had made mention of specific cardinals, the date they had joined the Masons, what their code name was, and their registration number.  When he became threatened with excommunication via rumor in the daily Rome press for doing so, his response was that if he were so punished, that he would immediately publish the full copy of the Masonic register to which he had been referring in small excerpts.  The next day the Vatican held a press conference saying, "There's no intention of excommunicating Father Putti."

    Freemasons in the Vatican don't waste time.

    Freemasons openly boast that (false) ecumenism is their idea.

    Freemasons in the 1920's had a new mass that is all too similar to the Newmass.

    Freemasons are the enemy that has sown cockle in the field of the Church.

    Freemasons have become pastors in wolves' clothing to send the faithful to hell, because God has allowed this since the people have not turned back to God.

    St. John Eudes wrote that bad priests are the worst punishment God could send.

    Can you spell,  C-H-A-S-T-I-S-E-M-E-N-T?

    Freemasons have key posts in the Vatican, and "our hands are tied - we can do nothing."

    So how can we expect the Pope and Bishops to consecrate Russia?  

    "The presence of Freemasons in key positions in the Church explains to a great extent the doctrinal and disciplinary drifts of these last forty years.  It is particularly clear in the case of the liturgical reform."  

    When the methods of how Masons rise to positions of power become known, it is very effective at stopping it from happening because they rely on secrecy to do their diabolical work.

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    « Reply #11 on: July 12, 2014, 05:37:27 PM »
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    The ideology, methods, thinking and objectives of Freemasonry are indistinguishable from Modernism.

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    « Reply #12 on: July 12, 2014, 05:55:55 PM »
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    Modernism              



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    « Reply #13 on: July 12, 2014, 06:59:00 PM »
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  • Any way to explained it is the "Diabolical Hand" .
    I live through the times of the big changes. So many lost their faith,
    and left the church.
    "Diabolical Hand" is the only way of explanation.
    This is my experience.

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    « Reply #14 on: July 13, 2014, 12:01:41 AM »
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  • Neil O, for me this is the big picture.  This is what I have been wrestling with for years.  The people who lay claim to the papacy and hierarchy are freemasons.  So how can they be legitimate?  Which brings us to, what now?

     

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