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Offline Incredulous

Re: Vaccines - Devil's Advocate
« Reply #80 on: December 16, 2020, 09:10:03 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on December 15, 2020, 12:09:31 PM
Ok, even if the cooperation is formal, it means you are cooperating with stealing cells, not abortion.  If some mad scientist drugged me and stole my kidney, that's not murder.  If he stole my kidney and THEN killed me, then murder is a second sin, on top of stealing my kidney.
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If the fetal cells have to be taken from a live baby, then how is murder part of this discussion?  Does the taking of cells kill the child?  Or is it survivable?  If it's survivable, then one could argue that the taking of cells is separate from the abortion.  Even if it's done by the same doctor, these are 2 different acts.
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Example:  A thief goes into a bank and shoots the teller in the foot, so that she'll open the vault and let him take $.  The thief gets the money and before he leaves, he decides to shoot her dead, just for fun.  The thief's buddies that take part in the stolen $ are (arguably) not guilty for the murder because it wasn't essential to the robbery.  His buddies are only guilty for taking part in the theft.

 The murder was the sole decision of the thief.

Please back up a minute and explain to us what is the technical function of fetal cells in a vaccine?

How does the medical industry explain their purpose?

What do they do?
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Offline andy

Re: Vaccines - Devil's Advocate
« Reply #81 on: December 16, 2020, 09:49:37 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on December 16, 2020, 10:57:22 AM
But could they keep the baby alive?  That's the question.  If a child can survive the taking of these cells, then murder/abortion is not a result of cell harvesting, but a separate immoral act.
Maybe, but extracting fetal cell from undeveloped person is recipe for a disaster. Hight risk at least. 
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Offline PAT317

Re: Vaccines - Devil's Advocate
« Reply #82 on: December 16, 2020, 09:52:51 PM »
Quote from: Yeti on December 16, 2020, 09:00:13 PM
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Although the vast majority if not all of the cells currently used did not physically constitute part of the child’s original body, these cells still belong to the child.

This is so bizarre. Cells that were never part of a human body now belong to someone who is dead? 
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Dr. Joseph Mercola:
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The Nonsensical ‘Clone’ Defense

The claim that fetal cells are not used in vaccine development because they are clones of the original is perhaps the most ludicrous justification used by fact checkers.25 That’s like saying your 20-year-old or 40-year-old body is no longer your body because all the cells are mere copies of the cells found in the original fetus that grew inside your mother.

If the cells in your body are still you, then the cells in the petri dish are still that of the original fetus that was aborted.
Cells grow and multiply naturally. The cells in your adult body are no longer the original individual cells of you as a fetus. They are in essence “clones” of the originals. They’ve been growing and multiplying, dying and being replaced, with each passing moment from the time of your conception when a sperm entered an egg.

There’s virtually no difference between cells growing and multiplying indefinitely in a petri dish and cells growing and multiplying in your body during your lifetime. If the cells in your body are still you, then the cells in the petri dish are still that of the original fetus that was aborted.
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Offline andy

Re: Vaccines - Devil's Advocate
« Reply #83 on: December 16, 2020, 09:57:27 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on December 16, 2020, 10:53:24 AM
The purpose is to debate the GRAVITY of immorality.
This is an excellent point. I still maintain, that those fetal cell lines, are in fact artificially kept alive body pieces of specific individuals. Almost as same as frozen embryos. They are ALIVE. The cooperation with the abortion is very remote if in fact at all present (be definition, cooperate - means to be part of a cause). The cooperation with dishonoring that human body, which happens constantly is probably closer than we think.
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Offline Yeti

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Re: Vaccines - Devil's Advocate
« Reply #84 on: December 17, 2020, 08:12:10 AM »
Quote from: PAT317 on December 16, 2020, 09:52:51 PM
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The Nonsensical ‘Clone’ Defense

The claim that fetal cells are not used in vaccine development because they are clones of the original is perhaps the most ludicrous justification used by fact checkers.25 That’s like saying your 20-year-old or 40-year-old body is no longer your body because all the cells are mere copies of the cells found in the original fetus that grew inside your mother.

If the cells in your body are still you, then the cells in the petri dish are still that of the original fetus that was aborted.
Cells grow and multiply naturally. The cells in your adult body are no longer the original individual cells of you as a fetus. They are in essence “clones” of the originals. They’ve been growing and multiplying, dying and being replaced, with each passing moment from the time of your conception when a sperm entered an egg.

There’s virtually no difference between cells growing and multiplying indefinitely in a petri dish and cells growing and multiplying in your body during your lifetime. If the cells in your body are still you, then the cells in the petri dish are still that of the original fetus that was aborted.
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I think this guy's reality check has bounced. He's a medical doctor??! And he can speak this kind of nonsense? Wow, I'm not letting him cut into me.
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Um, the difference between cells growing in a petri dish and cells in a living human being is that one is part of a human being and the other is not. One is informed by a human soul and the other is not. Yes, your cells at the age of 40 are different cells from the ones you had when you were born, but they are all part of your body. Cells multiplying in a petri dish are not part of a human body. They have no human soul. They are not a human being. Yes, they are part of the building blocks of a human being, but that does not make them a human being. You don't even need to be a doctor to understand that cells from a human being living in a petri dish are not a human being. All you need is common sense. Bbut this guy thinks there's "virtually no difference" between that and a live human body.
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If the cells in your body are still you, then the cells in the petri dish are still that of the original fetus that was aborted.

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Please tell me this is some sort of weird joke? Cells that have been removed from a human body are no long part of a human body.
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The cells in your adult body are no longer the original individual cells of you as a fetus. They are in essence “clones” of the originals. They’ve been growing and multiplying, dying and being replaced, with each passing moment from the time of your conception when a sperm entered an egg.

There’s virtually no difference between cells growing and multiplying indefinitely in a petri dish and cells growing and multiplying in your body during your lifetime. If the cells in your body are still you, then the cells in the petri dish are still that of the original fetus that was aborted.

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Virtually no difference?! So there's virtually no difference between cutting a finger off an arm that has been severed, but which is being kept alive artificially, and cutting off a person's finger? That's what his argument leads to. What a wild ride this one was.
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