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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Vaccines - Devil's Advocate
« Reply #65 on: December 16, 2020, 09:03:10 AM »
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Note also, Fr. Wolfe is not talking about theft alone, but theft predicated upon murder (ie., see my “stealing money from grandma” example earlier in the thread).

I really wish we had some catholic scientist who could answer the questions of the vaccine process.  For me, it's hard to create an accurate analogy of all the sinful activities in order to properly analyze the morality of each.  If the debate has now shifted to theft of fetal cells, then the important question is:  Does the taking of fetal cells ALWAYS cause death, or is it survivable?
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This is the best analogy I can come up with:  Suppose you have an international criminal ring who's main work is to αssαssιnαtҽ people for money.  75% of their business is to sneak around and kill rich people.  Most of their customers are the family members or business partners of these rich people, who want inheritance money or they want to own the business partnership fully.  
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Now, a smaller part of this criminal ring's business (25%) is to kidnap people and steal their organs, which they then sell to pharmacies who use these organs to make a drug that cures a specific kidney/lung/heart disease.  Sometimes they steal kidneys, sometimes hearts, sometimes lungs, etc.  The theft of 1 kidney or 1 lung does not kill a person, so this criminal ring's theft of this kind is not murder, even though 1) 75% of this criminal ring's business is assassination, and 2) they may still decide to kill the victim after taking a kidney/lung so the victim can't call the cops.  Obviously, the theft of a heart causes the murder of the victim, but a kidney/lung does not (unless you take both kidneys or both lungs).  But we'll assume they just take 1.
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So, here are my questions:
1.  Does a person who knowingly receives a "life saving"** drug made from this criminal ring's activities participate in the 75% of the criminal's "murder industry", or just the 25% of organ theft activities?  I would say just the organ theft part.
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** We'll assume for argument that covid vaccines are "life saving" as that's the established medical/political/social lie of the day.**
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2.  If the theft of a kidney/lung does not cause death, then how can one be involved with murder?  If the criminal ring decides to kill the person after stealing their organs, that's their decision, but murder is not an effect of the organ theft, but a separate sin.
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I wish I knew more about this vaccine process.

Re: Vaccines - Devil's Advocate
« Reply #66 on: December 16, 2020, 09:13:33 AM »
I really wish we had some catholic scientist who could answer the questions of the vaccine process.  For me, it's hard to create an accurate analogy of all the sinful activities in order to properly analyze the morality of each.  If the debate has now shifted to theft of fetal cells, then the important question is:  Does the taking of fetal cells ALWAYS cause death, or is it survivable?
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I wish I knew more about this vaccine process.
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Pax, have you listened to the explanation by Marcella Piper-Terry, posted many times on these boards?  Or the one by Pam Acker, also posted & recommended here?
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And do you seriously think the devils that create these vaccines take a living pre-term baby, harvest his cells, and then put him in an incubator to maximize his chances of survival?  Seriously?  
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Listen to and read the copious information folks have provided here in these threads, please.


Re: Vaccines - Devil's Advocate
« Reply #67 on: December 16, 2020, 10:28:55 AM »

Re: Vaccines - Devil's Advocate
« Reply #68 on: December 16, 2020, 10:40:23 AM »
I really wish we had some catholic scientist who could answer the questions of the vaccine process.  For me, it's hard to create an accurate analogy of all the sinful activities in order to properly analyze the morality of each.  If the debate has now shifted to theft of fetal cells, then the important question is:  Does the taking of fetal cells ALWAYS cause death, or is it survivable?
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I wish I knew more about this vaccine process.
In that case, I strongly suggest you contact Catholic Scientist, Pam Acker. But first you should read her book and watch any video interviews of her on these subjects. Then as you obtain some preliminary background information on the vaccine development and processes, you can then ask Hugh Owen of the Kolbe Center to forward your questions.

Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Vaccines - Devil's Advocate
« Reply #69 on: December 16, 2020, 10:53:24 AM »
Dear all, please don't be scandalized at these questions.  If you read the opening thread, I said the purpose of this thread is NOT to debate the morality of these vaccines (which are obviously immoral).  The purpose is to debate the GRAVITY of immorality.  If you don't understand the difference, or don't have the patience to theorize, then please leave the thread.