I just added / edited the original att.
I discuss some other segments of the live stream.
Also, on an associated topic, I really encourage that you take an hour and a half to look at the docuмentary about +Lefebvre's life. " Un Eveque dans la Tempete ". Free Vimeo film. [ v i m e o . c o m / 6 7 4 9 0 6 6 5 9]. Forget the French! Just lower the volume if you want. The many many fast paced videos and pics are excellent, hard to find, special. Africa, Vat II, 1988...good stuff. The founder of the SSPX was a saintly Archbishop.
These are my personal notes from a livestream of Fr. Salenave, Dec. 14, 2023. Edited Jan 22, 2024
Abbe Matthieu Salenave assisted at a retreat with 4-5 other priests, preached by + Morgan. Very hopeful for the future. Ab. S. considers this important for the faithful, that the faithful sense this union with the episcopy. Albeit without structure as some remark, not a problem...the essential is: the priests are united around a bishop. Initially Christianity had no SSPX, no religious Works or congregations. Foundations of Christianity are: faithful around the priests, the priests around a bishop. (bishop under pope).
Along this subject, + Vigano beginning a seminary project in Italy. Some say: there are already seminaries.
We are working with him, not against. We have the same Chief. More Works the better; focusing on a seminary for Italians . +V. talks about 'Society', not SSPX, rather about +Lef. who began a good Work during the 1970's ...giving impression that page has turned. Treats of the Work of + Lef., formation of priests who are at the service of Christ the King. Priestly union is key. Issue at hand, sure SSPX is forming priests, according to the traditional priestly ideals, BUT! the question of Christ the King is tossed out. The big problem today, re: Vat II (reduced the priest to a local Social worker) no longer believes in the Reign of Christ the King in society.
Don't be jealous of the good initiative. But what of the formation in new seminary?
Two types of priests: some go upward, some downward. Friend once noted: Some institutions are like phases...For example the rally groups. The ascending people assist and observe, get an idea of Tradition, are interested. There are other groups who descend. They were defenders, but eventually they join the Novus Ordo (NO^).
Retain: Some seem to drift away from the fight for whatever reason, but for some, if they receive the truth, they hold strong.
+Vigano, a bishop, from Modernism, now he is in the ascending phase. Mistakes will probably happen, but he is ascending.
Another bishop, Strickland, dismissed from his diocese, in the USA. Should he have stayed at his post? like +Castro Mayer did? Campos was in fact divided, one side with +Castro, the other side NO^
The +V initiative of a seminary and dealing with 30 or so priests...so this affects Italy bigtime, important impact. Italy was sluggish with Tradition; +Vigano might outdo SSPX, ...Italy's hour.
Question: some SSPXers hope the SSPX will change course. Maybe a new consecration with a correct bishop...?
Answer of Ab Salenave.: Illusion x2
A new bishop (if Rome accepts of course!) would automatically hold the present position, 12 years strong i.e. a practical accord with Rome but without Rome's conversion. Just get a Modus Operandi and do apostalate.
Results in jurisdiction for Marriages, Confessions. Plus some foolish activities to please Rome. (Hey, maybe the SSPX will suddenly rediscover its roots.!) Sadly this is a lingering tack, accepted by many. Where are the outcries since 2012? No one!
If an institution abandons a Principle, it might save itself morally, but it is doomed and cannot find its regeneration. BUT! but you say...history shows some Orders were regenerated, remained in the Church, so how was it done?
The good elements, in the Franciscans, Carmelites etc.; for example, a decadence of the Order, who can rebuild it? Holy elements of the original quit and start somewhere else. +Lef. himself did just that! Holy Ghost Fathers got corrupted. He quit and founded SSPX. Now SSPX sinking, and some priests quit or are expelled and build something.
The Church cannot perish, will have eternal life, will always subsist. But Works can shipwreck, it is only a priestly Work...a priestly Work can perish. Even +Lef was aware of his limits. Near the end of the film: " Un Eveque dans la Tempete", [ v i m e o . c o m / 6 7 4 9 0 6 6 5 9] when asked by his sister 'When you die, who will be in charge of the Fraternity? What will happen to your Work? +Lef.replied: 'It's quite simple. If the Fraternity is from God, then it will continue. If it is not from God, it will die.'
Important: When a "Reform" occurs, for the good, it's the candidates, holy elements who leave the Work and start something.
St John of the Cross, St. Teresa. After Council of Trent, many Works were in a state of decadence. esp. monasteries.
So they tried to introduce in the better monasteries good priests, good elements to attempt to restore them: Impossible...those priests had to give up!
Works disappear all the time. Notice the many Modernist Works wither away. It's over!. Near Fougere, a huge congregation is shuttering...the remnants go to elders' homes. Gone! disappearing.
Don't make a Work 'end all and be all'.
SSPXers think: we must hang on at any cost, hang on...but they sink with the ship. Boats can sink slowly. A good priest here and there...The ship will sink slower yet, but sink. Some plug the leaks, try hard in their own way...
TIME : 13:25 End of this segment.
The second segment is a discussion about his personal dismissal from SSPX. Two other priests were also accused simultaneously. Abbe Salenave had only posted some of +Lefebvre's words, talks etc, on his web site and he added short comments at the end, reminding people of +L original understanding of various topics. Nothing evil. Then this kangaroo court. The 'judges' used the New Code in order to base the accusations. But guess what? The New Code says that you don't need any proof, evidence to punish someone.!! Injustice!
So now there is a new book describing the whole trial ordeal.
The third segment is about a new book about quotes from the "holy" book of the pedes trians of the red sea. God spends time studying the law. 1/4 of the time he braids Eve's hair. ??! etc
The fourth segment is long and deals with the passion of discouragement. I haven't listened to all of it. But a sentence that stands out is this:
When tempted to despair, you must first control your imagination, your thoughts...because these actually affect your actions. (Meditating on God brings hope!!)
May God bless!
Topic: Abbe M. Salenave, French Live Stream Dec 14, 2023; English summary (Read 3272 times)