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Offline donkath

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A view from the pews
« on: February 21, 2013, 03:48:49 AM »
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  • It becomes clear what is happening in the Church, and the world, today.   The Pope has  been divested of  all authority by the actions and deceptions of those who seek to destroy her.   She (the Church) has become ‘ecuмenised’ to the extent that anybody can become a ‘Catholic’....and any body does.    One has only to call oneself a Catholic and it is done full stop.   We now have a universal religion headed by a man with the title of Pope.    There are now no denominations.   Sin has been removed from the Church’s vocabulary requiring no distinction between good and evil, thus no repentance is required.   The last three Popes have been set up.   Manipulating their egos, Christ’s enemies have lured them into experimenting with, and remodelling the Church’s language to reflect their own personal interpretations/opinions replacing traditional worship and simple faith with.........a straw man.    In other words by their actions and use (read mis-use) of the power invested in them by Christ,  they have become the immediate predecessors of the  man-god.  

    Deceiving themselves they have paved the.way, nay, actually re-constructed the chair of Peter to rule over a world religion.  Nobody can find anything wrong with the
    Church now.   It is too late to stop the rush to join up.   Our present Pope has been given his marching orders because as he so eloquently put it – “My authority stops at that door”. *

    This Pope, a disciple/compatriot of Paul VI and JPII, like them is a puppet whose strings are manipulated by vicious enemies and haters of Christ.   Christ has been evicted from His own Church and replaced with the beginnings of Perfect Man who no longer needs Christ or His Church.

    *Words to Bishop Fellay.
    "In His wisdom," says St. Gregory, "almighty God preferred rather to bring good out of evil than never allow evil to occur."


    Offline TKGS

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    « Reply #1 on: February 21, 2013, 05:17:21 AM »
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  • You are, for the most part, correct in your "view from the pew".  The only exception I would make is that I do not understand why you believe that the "last three Popes have been set up" .  Or why you claim the "Christ's enemies" have been "manipulating their egos".

    I hear this time and time again.  It seems that many people believe that these papal claimants were somehow wronged.  I don't see the evidence.

    The last three men, I believe, have not been "set up" or "manipulated" by the "enemies of the Church".  They, themselves, are the enemies of the Church who have set themselves up and have been doing the manipulating.

    Neither Paul 6 nor John Paul 2 were "prisoners" in the Vatican.  They were active participatants leading the destruction of the Church.  Benedict 16 is not a "prisoner" and has been continuing the demolition at full speed.  His only failure (to my knowledge) was that he was unable to pull the SSPX into the snare--and the one person responsible for that failure is Bishop Williamson.



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    « Reply #2 on: February 21, 2013, 07:36:51 AM »
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  • Kind of reminds me of the "Tale of the Grand Inquisitor" within Dostoyevsky's great novel "The Brothers Karamozov."

    Keeping in mind that Karamozof was of the Russian Orthodox heretical "church," he came from the perspective that the Latin/Roman Church had abandoned fidelity to Christ after the 7th ecuмenical Council, and from that point had proceeded to serve it's own ends (e.g., political and worldly influence and focus).

    So in the book, Karamozov builds this "Tale" in which Jesus is taken prisoner by the Grand Inquisitor, who himself resents Our Lord's appearance on Earth at that time.

    He goes on to tell Our Lord that "We have long since abandoned you..."

    In essense, Our Lord's way was too hard, so the Cardinals knowingly abrogated the teachings of Christ, and instead became focused on worldly influence, affairs, and this in turn accounts for their hatred of Christ's presence (i.e., it stands as a reminder to the people that they have deviated from their intended vocations).

    Much the same as the SSPX stands as a reminder that the real, present Romans have similarly abdicated, in favor of a new gospel of liberation theology, focused on social, political, and economic "justice," rather than heaven, hell, death, and judgment.

    Interesting parallels indeed.

    But now you know why Rome cannot leave the SSPX be.

    FWIW, Bishop Fulton Sheen stated that the Tale of the Grand Inquisitor was one of the three best accounts of the coming of the anti-christ ever written (alongside Lord of the World by Msgr Benson, and Solovyov's "Brief account of the anti-christ").  All very relevent and worth reading; you will see elements of all three in today's Church and world.

    The Grand Inquisitor declared to Our Lord, "Tomorrow we will have an "auto de fe" and I will burn you at the stake.

    Modern Rome has done as much to all the former trads who have entered into communion with her as well.

    Error cannot tolerate truth, as it presents an instability to the illusion that the emperor is clothed, and once that is perceived by the masses, the perpetuity of error is threatened.

    Rome must crush the SSPX for the survival of modernism, or failing that, it must convert the SSPX to modernism.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    « Reply #3 on: February 21, 2013, 07:42:13 AM »
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  • Quote from: TKGS
    You are, for the most part, correct in your "view from the pew".  The only exception I would make is that I do not understand why you believe that the "last three Popes have been set up" .  Or why you claim the "Christ's enemies" have been "manipulating their egos".


    Ditto.


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    I hear this time and time again.  It seems that many people believe that these papal claimants were somehow wronged.  I don't see the evidence.


    Ditto.


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    The last three men, I believe, have not been "set up" or "manipulated" by the "enemies of the Church".  They, themselves, are the enemies of the Church who have set themselves up and have been doing the manipulating.


    I've got to hand it to B16 for reeling in the adoration of clowns that JPII set into
    motion.  That was a bit much.  

    He could have set up a new kind of sainthood for excellence in clownship.  That
    would have been very useful for the Antichrist.  

    Instead of adulating other clowns, B16 played one himself!  He did a magic trick
    every day by promoting heresy without making himself appear to be the one
    who is doing it.  But sometimes it didn't quite work out that way.  It's hard to
    do when you're pope.  Maybe now that he's quitting he can pull it off better
    from his piano suite.


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    Neither Paul 6 nor John Paul 2 were "prisoners" in the Vatican.  They were active participants leading the destruction of the Church.  Benedict 16 is not a "prisoner" and has been continuing the demolition at full speed.  


    Active participation is the name of the NovusOrdo game.


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    His only failure (to my knowledge) was that he was unable to pull the SSPX into the snare--and the one person responsible for that failure is Bishop Williamson.


    Too bad Bishop de Mallerais can't take credit for the snare failure.  That's what
    happens when you don't speak up.  You get to be a prisoner in Chicago!  

    Chicago = Obamaville!  Misery loves company.



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    « Reply #4 on: February 21, 2013, 07:53:53 AM »
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  • Quote from: Seraphim

    Modern Rome has done as much to all the former trads who have entered into communion with her as well.

    Error cannot tolerate truth, as it presents an instability to the illusion that the emperor is clothed, and once that is perceived by the masses, the perpetuity of error is threatened.

    Rome must crush the SSPX for the survival of modernism, or failing that, it must convert the SSPX to modernism.





    Adherence to the Faith of our Fathers is a POISON for which modernist
    Rome never ceases to search for an ANTIDOTE.




    Depending on the particulars of a given trad group, the formulation of the
    antidote might be a little different.  

    They just haven't got the SSPX serum worked out yet.  But they're still on it.  

    Stay tuned for updates.  



    Adherence to the Faith of our Fathers is a POISON for which modernist
    Rome never ceases to search for an ANTIDOTE.







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    « Reply #5 on: February 21, 2013, 03:20:12 PM »
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  • Quote from: TKGS

    ...Neither Paul 6 nor John Paul 2 were "prisoners" in the Vatican.  They were active participatants leading the destruction of the Church.  Benedict 16 is not a "prisoner" and has been continuing the demolition at full speed.  His only failure (to my knowledge) was that he was unable to pull the SSPX into the snare--and the one person responsible for that failure is Bishop Williamson.


    For eyes to see...

    Bishop Williamson had saved the SSPX from from the wretched deal that was about to happen.

    Also, as someone wrote earlier (I cannot find it through the search) that Bishop Williamson also had saved the SSPX in the USA in the early years from collapsing.

    It is showing, after Archbishop Lefebvre, that Bishop Williamson is the only strong one carrying the torch from not going out and caving in.

    No wonder the liberals want to through him out the door...and under the bus!

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    « Reply #6 on: February 21, 2013, 10:35:17 PM »
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  • Read the book, "Peter, Lovest Thou Me?" and you will see that John Paul II held the modernist errors back at Vatican II. No, these popes had an agenda to take the Church in a totally different direction. There was no gun pointed at their backs.

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    « Reply #7 on: February 22, 2013, 06:26:53 AM »
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  • I believe, based on all of the information that is pubilcly available, that the various fathers of the SSPX who have been expelled or who have left the SSPX would have done so but there would have been an agreement with Rome had it not been for the infamous letter of the three bishops.  And based on all that has happened since the letter was made public, I believe that the driving force for the writing and publication of that letter was Bishop Williamson.  Had he not acted when he did, the SSPX would today already be absorbed in the Novus Ordo web.

    I believe Pablo is wrong.


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    « Reply #8 on: February 22, 2013, 08:13:26 AM »
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  • Quote from: TKGS
    I believe, based on all of the information that is pubilcly available, that the various fathers of the SSPX who have been expelled or who have left the SSPX would have done so but there would have been an agreement with Rome had it not been for the infamous letter of the three bishops.  And based on all that has happened since the letter was made public, I believe that the driving force for the writing ... of that letter was Bishop Williamson.  Had he not acted when he did, the SSPX would today already be absorbed in the Novus Ordo web.

    I believe Pablo is wrong.


    I agree with this.  Although I agree with Seraphim that they all contributed, doubtless it was the letter of the 3 bishops that had the most impact.  Once that was clear for all the world to see, if the deal had happened right away (end of May as seems to have been the plan), there was a huge risk that all 3 bishops would oppose the deal, and then, because of that lead, a lot more priests than expected would too.  Rome wants to capture as much of the SSPX as possible.  They realized they needed more time to bring the other bishops around, or at least, divide the other 3 bishops (e.g. they can get a lot of mileage out of a rift between +W and +TdM).   No doubt, the opposition of lots of priests (not just Frs. Pfeiffer & Chazal & Hewko, but also Koller, Girouard, Fox and so many others), let alone the prayers of the faithful, etc..., all contributed openly and in a more hidden way (e.g. drawing forth God's grace), you might say.  To what extent, we will probably never know until eternity.  But I think the biggest, most direct contributor (humanly speaking) to nixing the deal last May was the publication of the letter of the 3 bishops.  

    (And we also don't know what priests worked behind the scenes, e.g. to encourage/recommend +W to write that letter, get it signed by the other 2 bishops, etc...  But, all the recommendations in the world would not have been worth anything, if in the end +W hadn't written the letter etc.  I think many times we underestimate the power of bishops - to do good, and also to allow evil to happen by their inaction or silence.  They are not meant to be just Sacrament machines.  As is so often the case, it seems the the children of this world are wiser in understand the power of bishops than the children of light.)  

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    « Reply #9 on: February 22, 2013, 01:36:26 PM »
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  • You're leaving out an important fact, Pablo.

    +Williamson himself would admit to that.

    Namely:

    He has to use his faculty of prudence to decide when and who to consecrate.
    If he happens to be a bit slow for some reason, God could raise up "from the very stones" another good Bishop to do a given consecration.

    In other words, +W has to do what he REASONS is right. Even in a worst-case scenario, where he was invincibly ignorant about what needs to happen, God isn't dependent on +Williamson or any other bishop.

    So this whole scenario assumes that A) It IS God's will that the consecration happen, and B) that it's so apparently "against reason" that +Williamson can't see the reasonableness and goodness of it.

    That's a lot of assumptions, if you ask me...

    But my point is: +W himself loves to quote the "God can raise up, from these very stones, children to Abraham."

    It's a favorite of mine as well -- a nice Scriptural warning to Trads!
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