A theory:

A huge punishment hit the Church in the 1960s, because of the disobedience of not consecrating Russia and not revealing the Third Secret. But wasn't that enough? After millions of Catholics had lapsed, would God have abandoned those that hung on, even in the Novus Ordo, leaving them with invalid sacraments and being forced to commit material idolatry every time they went to Mass? And wouldn't it be contrary to the Indefectibility of the Church for it to promulgate sacraments that are intrinsically invalid?

If individual priests and bishops change and mess up the sacraments, that's another matter and part of the punishment. (When Archbishop Lefebvre conditionally ordained priests ordained in the new rite, he started by deciding according to what he knew of the bishops personally, and he knew many of them. Is was only when those had died and he didn’t know the younger bishops, that he always gave conditional ordination. He says this somewhere in his early writings.)

Personally, I think the Eucharistic Miracles at the New Mass could well be genuine and perhaps also directed at Traditionalists. Is Our Lord saying, "I have to be at this Mass, however terrible and however sacrilegious. I don’t want you to come to it, but remember I am here, and you are the ones who should be doing penance and making reparation for this sacrilege. Don’t just walk away and say, "It’s not valid, nothing’s happening, forget it."

Could this be what Traditionalists in their turn are being punished for, by the collapse of the SSPX? Have too many tried to solve the Mystery of Iniquity with a textbook, relying on human reason and not having the humility to say "We just don’t know."

We need to know some things – how to keep the Faith, how to pray and  receive the sacraments, how to justify and explain the Traditionalist position and now how to explain why the Resistance is necessary, but we don’t really need more than that.

I wouldn't go so far as to say traditionalists are to blame for what is currently going on with the SSPX. If anything, I'd think the faithful delayed and are continuing to delay the inevitable. I think this age like all ages before it has a vital story to tell as a reflection of the life of Christ Himself. This was probably all mapped out as soon as the fruit was eaten. All we can really do is pray and hope the Lord sees His reflection in us.

I believe we have some heavy hitters on deck to clear out this miserable age we're in. We have to trust in the wisdom of Our Lady to bring about the era of peace. Let's not get too wrapped up in assigning blame. It's more that the individuals destined to effect the restoration haven't arrived on the scene yet.

If it seems like things are being dragged out, perhaps the Lord is simply waiting for the cup of His wrath to fill up to the brim before letting divine justice crash down.

Actually I think we have everything to do with the collapse of the SSPX. Let me explain - back in the 1980s the SSPX purchased a former convent chapel in Preston, England. The priests lived a great distance away. Mass was offered 2 nights a week and every time I went there were 30 people or so in attendance and they traveled from all over. Then the SSPX bought a house around the corner and stationed 3 priests there so that there were 2 public Masses every day. The attendance vanished. Now that Fr. King - an excellent priest (who was Prior there twice and sacrificed greatly to bring the Sacraments there and elsewhere) left the SSPX the priory is closed and Mass has returned to Sundays only. When we show complacency to Our Lord - He will always withdraw his graces and give them to someone else.

This same complacency creeps in everywhere where people take the Sacraments for granted. This was the way of the Church before the Council and now they're all hankering to be back inside and return to the so "good life". Forget about the SSPX and consider the soul: as +W never tires of mentioning "As fast as you cast nature out of the front door it comes in the back door."

Didn't Our Lord once say he closed convents and chapels because of lack of fervor in some private revelation ?

Talk about dwindling congregations! With so many varieties of trad groupings one wonders where all these people are going to come from. The SSPX in the UK is down to nine priests and consolidation is occurring in just four centres. I cannot see the Society staying here; it will likely encourage mergers with home-grown Latin Mass outfits. The valuable properties would be sold off and the school go independent if financially viable.  

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Talk about dwindling congregations! With so many varieties of trad groupings one wonders where all these people are going to come from. The SSPX in the UK is down to nine priests and consolidation is occurring in just four centres. I cannot see the Society staying here; it will likely encourage mergers with home-grown Latin Mass outfits. The valuable properties would be sold off and the school go independent if financially viable.  

It would appear that the game might  be up soon.  Now that the Novus Ordo is finding empathy, and the beginnings of acceptance within Tradition, the remnant finally identifying with its captor will signal its impending collapse. Without unwavering opposition to the false council and the New Order mass, there is no resistance, and no real justification to remain against Modernist Rome.

There are some pertinent observations that can be made here.  It seems Tradition is sorely lacking in an actual gentry class and a knighthood or more genuinely military component.  We're too much only a straggle of pious peasants without their social betters.  Not good for Roman Catholicism.

In religion this lack shows itself primarily in the absence of proper militant Catholic bishops.  Not that the Resistance bishops aren't good clergymen, but the more noble and militant bishops that should complement them just aren't there.  That's quite a disaster for us, in fact.

With this limitation of having only peasant mindsets the Traditional Catholics are also dangerously oblivious to the apocalyptic character  of our Catholic past and present.  An Apocalypse is a terribly noble and aristocratic event and the children of the peasantry have a hard time comprehending the catastrophic times we are living through.

This writer likes to repeat that we're living through the Apocalyptic End Time.  We're not merely being "punished" but also "rewarded" as well.  The Apocalypse is terrifying, obviously, but it's also a reward for the faithful.  We should emphasise the positive because the positive side of current events is what is much the most relevant to the faithful Roman Catholics.  

The bad news all around us is meant more for the non-Catholics, not so much for the beloved Roman Catholic Children of God.
           

Raphaela said:

Personally, I think the Eucharistic Miracles at the New Mass could well be genuine and perhaps also directed at Traditionalists. Is Our Lord saying, "I have to be at this Mass, however terrible and however sacrilegious. I don’t want you to come to it, but remember I am here, and you are the ones who should be doing penance and making reparation for this sacrilege. Don’t just walk away and say, "It’s not valid, nothing’s happening, forget it."

I am in absolute agreement with Raphaela's assessment of the New Mass,and by extension,  Bp. Williamson's own assessment.   Our Lord is present in all the Tabernacles of the world, be they the Tabernacles of "tradition," or those of the New Mass.  None of us has the ability, the authority, the exclusive enlightenment to declare otherwise.  
Do we go to the New Mass?  No, we don't.  Because it is "sacrilegious?"  In some case, where the Mass is celebrated by priests in rainbow sashes, with balloons, guitars, dancing girls and all other kinds of ridiculous accoutrement- yes, certainly.  These Masses are blasphemous and despicable.  But even in these cases, I, for one, am in no position to declare with impeccable authority that Our Lord is not present in their Tabernacles.  Nor are any of you.

Roscoe:

Another clown who thinks she knows better than Pope Pius XII :roll-laugh1:

So Pius XII did consecrate Russia properly?  If he did, can you point to the event?  And if he did not, can't we reasonably assume that the pope did not obey Our Mother?  Why must Raphaela be treated as a "clown?"