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A Tale Of Two Posts
« on: August 09, 2017, 09:12:08 PM »
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    http://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B985_Rites.html

    Paul VI vs. Pius XII


    TIA,

    Re: Was My First Communion Valid?

     A Pope can 'clarify' what a former Pontiff has written, but to disobey a former Vicar's Apostolic Constitution seems 'suspect'.

     Pope Pius XII wrote Sacramentum Ordinis in 1947 declaring that any substantial alteration in the rite would render the sacrament invalid.

     Paul VI did not care; just like the Mass, he wasted no time and went to work on almost all the sacraments to bring them into line with Modernist thinking.

     He produced his own Apostolic Constitution Pontificalis Romani' and basically said, this is the way we will 'ordain' in the future.

     When you lay the two written forms out before you, it 'seems' that both the matter and form have been changed in Paul VI's docuмent and that there is at least doubt as to whether the ordinand has been given the power to effect Transubstantiation.

     Doubt is cause for invalidity...

     Why has this subject not been openly discussed?

     God Bless your work,

          OAMDG,

          J.R.

    ______________________


     TIA responds:

     J.R.

     We maintain that a Pope can undo any decision of another Pope as long as it is not against the Faith, as in the case of liturgy and the rites of the Sacraments.

     The evidence in this regard is that St. Pius V forbade under penalty of the most rigorous anathema that anyone change the Divine Office and the Breviary in his Bull Quod a nobis. Nonetheless, St. Pius X disregarded all those threats and changed both the Breviary and the Divine Office.

     He was not anathematized nor cursed by the wrath of the Holy Apostles Peter and Paul, as promised in the Bull of St. Pius V.

     The conclusion seems quite clear: St. Pius X did not comply with the rules of St. Pius V because the rules that a Pope issues requires the obedience of everyone in the Catholic Church, except another Pope. So long as the Faith is not involved, a Pope is not subordinate to another Pope in matters of liturgy and rites. All Popes have the same authority. What this means is that one can undo what the other one did.

     We dealt more at length with this topic here.

     So, the question of saying that Paul VI could not change the rules Pius XII established is transferred to another topic: Was Paul VI a valid Pope or not? If he was, he had the right to change the rites; if he was not, he did not have this right.

     We believe that Paul VI - as well as the other conciliar Popes - are valid Popes, even if they had the worst spirit possible when they made those changes and defended heresies such as the heresy of universal salvation.

     Therefore, we believe Paul VI had the right to change the rites of the Sacraments and consequently, they are valid Sacraments.

          Cordially,

          TIA correspondence desk

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    http://www.traditio.com/comment/com1708.htm
    August 12, 2017 - St. Clare, Virgin
     Double Feast

    A Nautical Analogy of the Titanic Is Particularly Useful
     To Explain the Present Situation of the Church
    From: Peter, the TRADITIO Network's Canadian Correspondent

    St. John Bosco in 1862 Was Given the "Vision of the Two Pillars"
     In Which the Church Adrift Is Trying to Fight off the Enemy Fleet
     And to Return to a Safe Harbor between the Two Pillars:
     The Smaller Pillar Being Mary, Help of Christians
     And the Much Larger and Sounder Pillar
     Being Christ in the Most Blessed Sacrament
     What the Church Suffered
     In the Period Just before the First Vatican Council (1870)
     Is as Nothing Compared to What It Has Been Suffering
     After the Vatican II Anti-council (1962-1965)
    Dear TRADITIO Fathers:
    A nautical analogy of the Titanic is particularly useful to explain the present situation of the Church. In 1964, the Church of Property started to take on water down below. The cause was problems in the boiler room. Incompetent sailors had let rust set in after the death of Captain Sarto, and the following captains were too lax. The plating was rusting through, but the ship sailed merrily on, and nobody wanted to admit the problem. Small holes started to spew water in 1950, 1956, 1959 (Good Friday Office), 1960 (calendar). Faster and faster they came. The holes became larger -- much larger--in 1962, 1965 (gutting of the formula for distributing Holy Communion), 1967 (use of the vulgar tongues in the Sacred Canon, violating the anethema of the dogmatic Council of Trent), 1968 (new anti-Apostolic canons), 1969 (invalid Protestantized New Mess), and on it went.
    In 1970, Lieutenant Lefebvre, realizing the inevitable outcome, lowered a lifeboat over the side. Able Seaman de Pauw had even earlier done so in 1964 even earlier, with radio broadcasts in most major cities of North America. Lefebvre lashed his boat to the Titanic so as to commiserate with Captain Montini, but all to no avail. On the horizon, one could see the sinking of other boats. They were already approaching the water-line.
    Lt. Lefebvre, out of charity, refused to cut the line to the Titanic. But Captain Montini, in an act of vile rage, cut the rope himself in 1975. Lefebvre shook his head in dismay, but ordered his men to steer the lifeboat away from the sinking ship. After Lefebvre died, Captain Fellay reversed course and steered the lifeboat back into the Charybdis! The new Master of the Titanic, Captain Bergoglio, beckons him. He flashes promises to Fellay: titles, emoluments, purple socks, and priories, and a sumptuous offshore account. Fellay is mesmerized, so much so that he can no longer "discern" that the Titanic is sinking.
    Bergoglio plays Captain Bligh. He has ordered his lieutenants to poke holes in the ship to make it sink faster. These holes have names: Subjectivism, Modernism, Marxism, Liberation Theology, Synodalism. The lieutenants also enlarge old holes: Oecuмenism, Religious Liberty, Collegiality, Socialism, Inculturation. The other crewmen on the Titanic are not concerned with all the fuss and plans. They are too busy sodomizing one another to care about anything else.
    Fellay throws time and again a death-line to the sinking Titanic, but Captain Bergoglio refuses to retrieve it. He's waiting for the Titanic to get closer to the waterline so that, once his steel-wire death-line is secure, there will be no time left for Fellay to cut it: the Neo-SSPX will be sucked down with the ship.
    The Neocons are divided. Some have stayed aboard the Titanic to re-arrange the deck chairs. They feel that concentration on this vital task will divert their attention from reality, which they hope is only a passing nightmare. Others have stayed behind to polish the precious silverware and cleanse the priceless plate. Other Neocons have lowered lifeboats, but, of course, they make sure that they are lashed securely to the sinking ship. They mistake the ship for the Faith that once sustained it. They are zealously and religiously devoted to material property. They really do love their god, Mammon. If the choice is to be between the Church of Faith and the Church of Property, they are determined to have the latter at all costs.
    Our Lady appears miraculously in a boat that has floated down from Heaven. She appeals to everyone: only my Son can save this ship from ruination by a miracle. But Captain Bergoglio cannot hear her. She is drowned out by the noises in his head: the noises of heresy, imaginary mercy, self-aggrandizement, tango, and other junk music -- whatever. Fellay hears Our Lady, but he puts his hands over his ears: he wants to return to the ship to be given charge of the state rooms, with their enormous shimmering mirrors framed in solid gold. He imagines himself as a prince strutting in finery. The mirrors reflect his vanity into his glowing eyes. Fellay's two episcopal lieutenants hear Our Lady, but they cannot decide what to do, and the other lieutenant was thrown over the side for suggesting that they return to Lefebvre's course -- to steer towards the eternal port.
    A small courageous gang continues to steer away from the Titanic in life-rafts and small lifeboats: the Independents, the Resistance, and small groups. Some of them have only lifejackets to sustain them: they seem alone but they are protected from on high. They struggle just to survive, but they have hope because they have kept the Faith.