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Author Topic: A Step for the Regularization of the SSPX? - Dissolution of Ecclesia Dei  (Read 78607 times)

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Offline Neil Obstat

Re: A Step for the Regularization of the SSPX? - Dissolution of Ecclesia Dei
« Reply #30 on: January 03, 2019, 04:19:52 AM »
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When Newrome grants "permission" for anything, they tacitly reserve the possibility of revoking said permission in the future.
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Catholic priests don't need Newrome's "permission" to celebrate the TLM, because Quo Primum guarantees irrevocable permission FOREVER.
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Case closed.
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Offline 2Vermont

Re: A Step for the Regularization of the SSPX? - Dissolution of Ecclesia Dei
« Reply #31 on: January 03, 2019, 04:44:22 AM »
Quote from: poche on January 02, 2019, 11:32:58 PM
1.  How can the sspx "continue as they are" with only one bishop?  Will one bishop do all the confirmations?  Of course not.  Novus Ordo bishops will be called in to "help".

As of right now, no there is no agreement between the SSPX and the Vatican. Therefore any the idea of any 'novus ordo' bishop 'helping out' is out of the question.
Novus Ordo "bishops" are already helping out with respect to SSPX marriages:

http://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/it/bollettino/pubblico/2017/04/04/0218/00485.html#ing


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Offline Mr G

Re: A Step for the Regularization of the SSPX? - Dissolution of Ecclesia Dei
« Reply #32 on: January 03, 2019, 12:21:11 PM »
Quote from: 2Vermont on January 03, 2019, 04:44:22 AM
Novus Ordo "bishops" are already helping out with respect to SSPX marriages:

http://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/it/bollettino/pubblico/2017/04/04/0218/00485.html#ing
Notice that Card. Muller italicized "for the time being" and admits to  "initiatives have been ongoing in order to bring the Society of St. Pius X into full communion". 

'Your Eminence,
 Your Excellency,

As you are aware, for some time various meetings and other initiatives have been ongoing in order to bring the Society of St. Pius X into full communion. Recently, the Holy Father decided, for example, to grant all priests of said Society the faculty to validly administer the Sacrament of Penance to the faithful (Letter Misericordia et misera, n.12), such as to ensure the validity and liceity of the Sacrament and allay any concerns on the part of the faithful.

Following the same pastoral outlook which seeks to reassure the conscience of the faithful, despite the objective persistence of the canonical irregularity in which for the time being the Society of St. Pius X finds itself, the Holy Father, following a proposal by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, has decided to authorize Local Ordinaries the possibility to grant faculties for the celebration of marriages of faithful who follow the pastoral activity of the Society, according to the following provisions." etc.
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Offline Maria Auxiliadora

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Re: A Step for the Regularization of the SSPX? - Dissolution of Ecclesia Dei
« Reply #33 on: January 03, 2019, 01:26:49 PM »
Quote from: Neil Obstat on January 03, 2019, 04:19:52 AM
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When Newrome grants "permission" for anything, they tacitly reserve the possibility of revoking said permission in the future.
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Catholic priests don't need Newrome's "permission" to celebrate the TLM, because Quo Primum guarantees irrevocable permission FOREVER.
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Case closed.

NOT for the 1962 Bugnini missal. That needs permission precisely because it's not the Immemorial Rite. For the Pre Bugnini, yes. That's why I cannot understand the SSPX Resistance still using it. They should formally adopt the older Missal now before the  1962 "Extraordinary Form" of the Novus Ordo is formally abrogated.
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: A Step for the Regularization of the SSPX? - Dissolution of Ecclesia Dei
« Reply #34 on: January 03, 2019, 01:36:00 PM »
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NOT for the 1962 Bugnini missal. That needs permission precisely because it's not the Immemorial Rite. For the Pre Bugnini, yes. That's why I cannot understand the SSPX Resistance still using it. They should formally adopt the older Missal now before the  1962 "Extraordinary Form" of the Novus Ordo is formally abrogated.
Wait a minute.  The 1962 missal was a legal revision of the 1955 missal, which was a legal revision of multiple others, going back to Quo Primum in the 1500s.  So, the 1962 missal is a legal "child" of Quo Primum, according to the legal docuŠ¼ents (all of which I've read).
Do you disagree?  If so, why?
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