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Re: A Step for the Regularization of the SSPX? - Dissolution of Ecclesia Dei
« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2019, 04:36:58 AM »
Apparently +Benedict’s “motu” would be discarded and the TLM for all the dioceses would be stopped.  The only churches where the TLM would be offered would be the new prelature, which would include the sspx, FSSP and all the other indults combined.  It would probably have a new name as well.  

Traditio has long said that they think +Fellay would be in charge of this new, mega-indult “order”.  His “50 pieces of silver” payment for betraying Tradition.  Time will tell.  
Did you read this portion of the last update in this thread?  It seems to suggest getting rid of the other indults so that there is only one, the SSPX:


In 2017, in a RAI interview, the progressive liturgist Andrea Grillo demanded that the traditional Rite be allowed only for a small, well-defined group that was to be strictly defined and controlled. His words were understood by observers as a requirement to create a closely guarded, exotic reserve for the Society of Saint Pius X, while the other communities of tradition now in unity with Rome should be deprived of their right to exist. Rico and Cannone are of the opinion that Pope Francis has made this demand his strategy with the aim of first eliminating the Ecclesia Dei communities with the help of the Society and then putting the Society on a short leash.

Re: A Step for the Regularization of the SSPX? - Dissolution of Ecclesia Dei
« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2019, 10:21:28 AM »
This seems to be the fulfillment of what Bishop Fellay explained back in 2016 in which only Tradition will exist only in the "Super diocese":

https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2016/09/for-record-bishop-fellay-explains-what.html


[ . . . ] Rome is offering us a new structure. At its head will be a
bishop, chosen by the Pope
from a list of three Society members, named
by the Society. He will have authority over priests, over any religious
wanting to join the new structure and over Catholics belonging to the
new structure. These will have an absolute right to receive from Society
 priests all the sacraments, including marriage. This bishop will be
able to set up schools and seminaries, to ordain ( priests ), to
establish new religious Congregations. The structure will be like a
super-diocese, independent of all local bishops. In other words, for you
 faithful, there will be no change from what you are already enjoying
with the Society. The only difference will be that you will be
officially recognized
as Catholics.

"You can easily imagine that
there will be clashes with the local bishops. So we must be prudent, but
 as things stand you cannot imagine anything better than this offer,
which is such that you cannot think it is a trap. It is not a trap , and
 if anyone makes us such an offer it can only be because he wishes us
well .
He wants Tradition to prosper and to flourish within the Church.
It is impossible that such an offer could come from our enemies. They
have many other ways to crush us, but not that way [ . . . ].
(Aug, 24,
2016, Conference New Zealand)


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Re: A Step for the Regularization of the SSPX? - Dissolution of Ecclesia Dei
« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2019, 10:26:33 AM »

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Did you read this portion of the last update in this thread?  It seems to suggest getting rid of the other indults so that there is only one, the SSPX:

Right, so any priest of the FSSP or the ICK who wants to stay "traditional" will just join the new-sspx.  This new-sspx will be the only TLM game in town.  It will be easier for modernist rome to control and it will be "game over" for the TLM in the local dioceses. 

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Re: A Step for the Regularization of the SSPX? - Dissolution of Ecclesia Dei
« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2019, 10:36:48 AM »
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Rome is offering us a new structure. At its head will be a bishop, chosen by the Pope from a list of three Society members, named by the Society.

This is the exact scenario that +Lefebvre backed out of, in negotiations with +JPII.  He didn't want Rome to be involved in picking a new bishop because he didn't trust rome to choose someone traditional.

The 3 sspx bishops will retire in 15 years or so.  The new bishop for the sspx will be the only one chosen by rome.  What practical problems will arise in 15 years?  Let's see...

1.  How can the sspx "continue as they are" with only one bishop?  Will one bishop do all the confirmations?  Of course not.  Novus Ordo bishops will be called in to "help".

2.  How will the sspx ordain priests with only one bishop?  2 bishops are ususal for ordinations (at least), so other novus ordo bishops will be called in to "help".

3.  When these novus ordo bishops "help", which rite will be used - old or new?  How would the faithful know?

4.  What kind of training will the sspx have at their seminaries?  V2 i'm sure.  Old and new rites, i'm sure.  Tradition and modernism together, i'm sure.  1962 missal and new latin/english hybrid missal training, i'm sure.

Etc, etc, etc.  This list could go on and on and on.

The sspx will be slowly but surely "updated" and improved until, 25 years from now, it will be an empty shell of itself.  That's how communists/freemasons/modernists work.  Slow and steady.  Patiently evil.  Long term demolition planning.  Same blueprint used after V2...

Re: A Step for the Regularization of the SSPX? - Dissolution of Ecclesia Dei
« Reply #24 on: January 02, 2019, 11:10:42 PM »
Right, so any priest of the FSSP or the ICK who wants to stay "traditional" will just join the new-sspx.  This new-sspx will be the only TLM game in town.  It will be easier for modernist rome to control and it will be "game over" for the TLM in the local dioceses.
The SSPX is not an indult.