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THEY REPORT THAT THE POPE HAS DECIDED TO DELETE THE COMMISSION "ECCLESIA DEI"





ATTENTION: THIS COULD BE A STEP FOR THE REGULARIZATION OF THE FSSPX.


SOURCE: Messa in Latino (Abstract, underlined added by NP) This information has beenconfirmed by Marco Tosatti in his blog .

Unfortunately, reliable sources tell us, from different places and for several days, that the Pope has decided to dissolve the Pontifical Ecclesia Dei Commission, which, in a very short period of time - it seems that at the beginning of the year or during January -, it would be indiscriminately Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, of which it was already a part, but with its own identity and its own functions, which , with the Summorum Pontificuм and the Universae Ecclesiae, have been considerably expanded compared to the original, substantially limited competences to the return of priests linked to the Tradition and in some way connected to the SSPX (see below).

We must ask ourselves some questions:

one. Will it be a mere administrative / organizational reorganization within the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, or will the intervention also extend to the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificuм and the Universae Ecclesiae, which explicitly foresee the existence of the Commission and assign specific tasks to it?

two. To whom will the stable groups go in the future to obtain the protection granted to them by the Motu Proprio and the Application Instruction?

3. Who will be appealed if the Bishops do not correctly apply the Motu Proprio?

Four. To whom will the faithful and the priests direct their doubts about the liturgical questions related to the ancient rite?

5. On whom will depend the Institutes that until now were called, precisely, "Ecclesia Dei"?

6 What will happen to the staff of the Commission?

7 Monsignor Guido Pozzo (67 years old today, my best wishes for Excellence), what new function will he have? Will he have it or will he end up as Card. Muller?


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Who will be in charge of the relations with the FSSPX ?

9. Who will be in charge of the hundreds of priestly and religious vocations, of the numerous convents and monasteries that are still in process of creation, of the new religious groups, of the hundreds of thousands of the faithful and, in general, in the midst of the rupture? of the vocations, of the offerings and frequencies of the Masses- of the flowering of the new Catholic vocations?

The abolition of the Ecclesia Dei Commission responds to an old wish expressed by the SSPX, which has always seen the Commission as guarantor of the traditional "rival" groups in communion with Rome. The FSSPX prefers to deal directly with the CDF instead of a Commission under its authority. It seems that the Holy See considers it appropriate to comply with these requests ...

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Re: A Step for the Regularization of the SSPX? - Dissolution of Ecclesia Dei
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2018, 10:51:05 PM »
LAST INFORMATION OF TOSATTI ABOUT "ECCLESIA DEI"



Quote taken from the site of the Vaticanist Marco Tosatti:

"The Motu Proprio, which establishes the end of Ecclesia Dei as an independent commission and its integration as an Office in the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, is ready, signed by the Pontiff, and should have been published last Thursday. reasons why the docuмent has not yet been published.

It is a fairly short legal text, in which it is said that the pastoral emergency linked to the celebration of the Vetus Ordo, which led to the creation of the Ecclesia Dei Commission thirty years ago, has come to an end ; and as a result, the Commission, too, in its current form, no longer has any reason to exist. " 
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Re: A Step for the Regularization of the SSPX? - Dissolution of Ecclesia Dei
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2018, 11:24:41 PM »
From the above link:

FRANCISCO WOULD PRETEND TO USE THE FSSPX AS A CAGE FOR THE TRIDENTINE MASS

RUMORS IN THE VATICAN: POPE FRANCIS PRETENDS TO END THE MASS IN LATIN

ROME, July 26, 2017 ( LifeSiteNews ) : Vatican sources suggest that Pope Francis wants to end universal permission for priests to celebrate Pope Benedict's Traditional Latin Mass, also known as the "Extraordinary Form of the Mass." " While the line of action would be in tune with the expressly repeated disdain of Pope Francis for the Traditional Mass especially among young people, there has not been an open discussion of this to date.

Sources in Rome told LifeSite last week that the liberal prelates within the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, were casually overheard discussing a plan attributed to the Pope to abolish Pope Benedict's famous docuмent that gives priests the freedom to offer the ancient rite of the Mass.

Traditionalist Catholics have just celebrated the tenth anniversary of the docuмent, Summorum Pontificuм. Pope Benedict issued it in 2007, giving all Latin Rite priests permission to offer the Traditional Mass without seeking the permission of their bishops, undoing the restriction imposed on priests after the Second Vatican Council.

The motu proprio outraged the liberal bishops, since it took away the power to prohibit the traditional Mass, as many did. Previously the priests needed the permission of their bishop to offer this Mass.

Additionally, Summorum Pontificuм stated that wherever a group of faithful requested the Traditional Mass, the parish priests should gladly accept their request.  The plans that were heard are almost identical to the comments of a leading Italian liturgist in an interview published by La Croix earlier this month. Andrea Grillo, a lay professor at the Pontifical Athenaeum of San Anselmo in Rome, described by La Croix as "close to the Pope", is intimately familiar with Summorum Pontificuм. In fact, Grillo published a book against Summorum Pontificuм even before the papal docuмent was published.

Grillo told La Croix that Francisco is considering abolishing Summorum Pontificuм. According to Grillo, once the Vatican erects the Fraternity of St. Pius X as a Personal Prelature, the Roman Rite will be preserved only within this structure. "But [Francisco] will not do it while Benedict XVI lives."

The plan, as reported to LifeSite, involves making an agreement with the FSSPX and, with the agreement established, to confine Catholics who want the Traditional Mass to the SSPX. For most, this would take away their access to the Traditional Mass as there would not be enough SSPX priests to serve Catholics who want the Traditional Mass all over the world.

Furthermore, the LifeSite source suggested that the plan could explain the May 20, 2017 letter by the recently dismissed Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Cardinal Gerhard Müller. Although Cardinal Müller wanted the FSSPX to be completely reconciled to help fight Modernists in the Church, the letter of May 20 seemed to sink the agreement between Pope Francis and the SSPX, which would see them gain a personal prelature . The letter includes provisions that have long been completely unacceptable for the SSPX, thus nullifying the understanding that the FSSPX leader, Bishop Bernard Fellay, thought was imminent.

The LifeSite source suggested that Müller's letter of May 20 was perhaps written because he knew what Francisco was up to and wanted to prevent the plan to bury the Summorum Pontificuм with Pope Benedict. "It is directed not so much against Fellay but against the agreement," the source said. "Pope Francis was very angry that the docuмent came from Cardinal Müller, and some say that's why he made the decision to dismiss him."  
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This announcement needs to be broadcast worldwide.
When Rome approves the SSPX, this means that no more Latin Masses will be allowed anywhere else, so the SSPX will have a monopoly.

Re: A Step for the Regularization of the SSPX? - Dissolution of Ecclesia Dei
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2018, 07:40:40 AM »
It also looks like they are waiting for Bennie to die.

Re: A Step for the Regularization of the SSPX? - Dissolution of Ecclesia Dei
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2018, 01:27:46 PM »
It also looks like they are waiting for Bennie to die.
It would not surprise me if Bennie were to be αssαssιnαtҽd.