if you truly knew the internals of what happened back when Fr Pfeiffer was Prior, you wouldn't be quizzing me in this manner. And besides, look at the disaster at OLMC that has been accomplished by this duo, OLOS was just a dress rehearsal.

When I mentioned another party  (a certain priest who was in the know) I was only trying to substantiate what I had observed, in other words, it wasn't just a figment of my imagination.

By the way, just for some clarification from your part... was this arrest in regards to Pablo's beligirant interference with Bp Fellay?

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Another quote from Pablo I heard first-hand (sent to me via e-mail):

"I will teach my children to beware of Trads first, and the devil second."


Once again, the hatred dripping from Pablo is almost palpable. And not just any hatred, but hatred towards who? The most devoted followers of Christ.

We're talking about Traditional Catholics!

Probably because years ago, a group of them conspired against him, made up some phony accusations and had him arrested.

The judge summarily dismissed it and called it the total B.S. that it was.

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During a personal conversation with Hernandez several years ago he told me that he hates trads because +Fellay put him under interdict and wouldn't let his family step foot on SSPX property.  I don't know if this really happened but Hernandez did tell me this.  

I believe this.

I know him well enough, that between that and the arrest I can see why he would be pissed.

Wouldn't that make you mad too?

There are many people who have reported being tossed from SSPX parishes. Pablo is certainly not the first.

I've been maligned and mistreated by my own kin and didn't resort to violent hatred.  No, Hernandez is not a special snowflake who gets to smite traditional Catholics in the name of "Our Lady's Resistance". He's a big fat nothing in the grand scheme of things just like the rest of us.

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Quote from: Matthew

Another quote from Pablo I heard first-hand (sent to me via e-mail):

"I will teach my children to beware of Trads first, and the devil second."


Once again, the hatred dripping from Pablo is almost palpable. And not just any hatred, but hatred towards who? The most devoted followers of Christ.

We're talking about Traditional Catholics!

Probably because years ago, a group of them conspired against him, made up some phony accusations and had him arrested.

The judge summarily dismissed it and called it the total B.S. that it was.

I don't believe, with Pablo, that Trads are so rotten that they get together and conspire against innocent Catholics just because they're so wicked.

THAT is ridiculous.

Now I do believe that individual Trads have serious issues -- psychological, personality, spiritual, and some of them are even "rotten" to use a common, earthy, imprecise term.

But I don't believe that groups get together in a conspiracy to slander something good, just for the sake of good old Satan. That is precisely what the SSPX used to say about the Resistance, remember!

When you're talking a GROUP getting together, starting something and drawing in a few others, etc. you'd have to either have some truth to go on, or you'd need someone as good at manipulating crowds as Adolf Hitler. Most Trads wouldn't qualify for that position.

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Yeah I was going to say, many of us have had serious problems with a trad here and there or even a priest here and there or even a clique. It's no excuse for hatred of the whole group.

How can you specifically hate this group of people? In terms of religion, this group of people is SECOND TO NONE among all such groups you could list! No matter how many bad apples you find in the bunch, what religious group are you going to prefer? Seriously!

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You know, Doc White is famous for saying Trads are their own worst enemies and an awful group of misfits.

I don't really think Doc is wrong on that.

I've been all over to LOTS of parishes and it is usually quite a ragtag group of misfits.

That's just reality.

Phoenix's parish is a bit of an anomaly at the moment compared to its earlier years. It's more "camera-ready" than it ever was in the past.

But, we are talking about Pablo here and his use of the word hate. Pablo is known for his hyperbole, and so I think it should be taken with a grain of salt. He certainly has friends who are Catholics that he does not hate.

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Yeah I was going to say, many of us have had serious problems with a trad here and there or even a priest here and there or even a clique. It's no excuse for hatred of the whole group.

How can you specifically hate this group of people? In terms of religion, this group of people is SECOND TO NONE among all such groups you could list! No matter how many bad apples you find in the bunch, what religious group are you going to prefer? Seriously!

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You know, Doc White is famous for saying Trads are their own worst enemies and an awful group of misfits.

I don't really think Doc is wrong on that.

I've been all over to LOTS of parishes and it is usually quite a ragtag group of misfits.

That's just reality.

Phoenix's parish is a bit of an anomaly at the moment compared to its earlier years. It's more "camera-ready" than it ever was in the past.

But, we are talking about Pablo here and his use of the word hate. Pablo is known for his hyperbole, and so I think it should be taken with a grain of salt. He certainly has friends who are Catholics that he does not hate.

Doc White?  I think you should address to the audience here who you are referring to properly. His name is... Dr. Allen White. The way you refer to him, makes me suspicious of you. If this makes no sense to you,  disregard what I say.