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Offline 2Vermont

Re: A Step for the Regularization of the SSPX? - Dissolution of Ecclesia Dei
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2018, 01:42:19 PM »
Quote from: Maria Regina on December 27, 2018, 01:27:46 PM
It would not surprise me if Bennie were to be αssαssιnαtҽd.
What doesn't make sense to me is that Bennie doesn't seem to give a darn what they do, so why wait until he dies?  I mean, honestly.  Does anyone really think if they put this through while he was still alive that he was going to condemn Francis for it??  :laugh1:
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Offline nottambula

Re: A Step for the Regularization of the SSPX? - Dissolution of Ecclesia Dei
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2018, 03:35:29 PM »
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/farewell-pontifical-commission-ecclesia-dei

Farewell Pontifical Commission ‘Ecclesia Dei’?

The Vatican body aimed at keeping traditional Catholics united with the Successor of Peter looks likely to be suppressed, but sources suggest it could actually be a positive development.

Edward Pentin

Pope Francis is expected to issue a papal decree in the coming weeks that will effectively dissolve the pontifical commission charged with bringing separated traditionalist Catholics back into full communion.

Various reliable sources have confirmed to the Register that the Pontifical Commission ‘Ecclesia Dei’ is to be abolished and its work absorbed into the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, of which the commission is already a part.

The Pope’s “motu proprio” authorizing the change is allegedly still in its drafting stages, but is expected to be published in January.

Although some have voiced concern about the move, sources within the Vatican and elsewhere sympathetic to the commission are more sanguine, telling the Register that the structural change could be positive and actually facilitate regularization of the breakaway Society of St. Pius X.  

Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre founded the SSPX in 1970 in response to errors he believed had entered into the Church following the Second Vatican Council. Pope St. John Paul II set up the Pontifical Commission in 1988 in response to Archbishop Lefebvre’s decision that year to consecrate four bishops without papal permission, a schismatic decision according to the Vatican which led to Archbishop Lefebvre’s excommunication along with those of the four bishops. Benedict XVI lifted the four bishops' excommunications in 2009.

The commission’s role was primarily to care for Archbishop Lefebvre’s followers who wished to remain united with the successor of Peter, serving as the chief Vatican body in overseeing efforts to regularize the SSPX and bringing them back into full communion with Rome.

The commission has also had the task of regularizing canonical situations of other religious communities of a traditionalist nature, giving them a canonical form corresponding to their charism.

Added to this, the commission has had the responsibility of working with local bishops to facilitate Mass in the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite (according to the 1962 Missal) for those faithful who request it, especially after Pope Benedict XVI’s 2007 motu proprio Summorum Pontificuм which fully liberalized celebration of the Traditional Latin Mass if a “stable group” of faithful asks for it.

But according to the French traditionalist website L’Homme Nouveau, the SSPX has viewed the Pontifical Commission as an obstacle to its negotiations with the Vatican and would prefer to deal directly with the prefect of the CDF, currently Cardinal Luis Ladaria Ferrer, rather than having to go through the current president of the Pontifical Commission ‘Ecclesia Dei’, Archbishop Guido Pozzo. After years of talks between Archbishop Pozzo and the Society, few if any achievements have been made, the article says.

The rumored restructuring may therefore serve to address these concerns which the newly elected superior general of the SSPX, Father Davide Pagliarini, discussed with Cardinal Ladaria at a Nov. 22 meeting at the Vatican.

In a statement issued after those talks, Father Pagliarini stressed that for the SSPX the “fundamental problem is actually doctrinal” which “remains absolutely essential,” and that similarly for the Holy See, no canonical status can be established for the Society “until after the signing of a doctrinal docuмent.”

“This restructuring is more likely a concession to the SSPX who aren’t interested in dealing with a structure like Ecclesia Dei,” said an informed Church source, adding that “what is central at the moment is discussion of doctrine rather than practical aspects.”
 
Part of Curial Reform?

Another possible reason for the suppression of the Pontifical Commission could be to do with the reforms of the Roman Curia. A new apostolic constitution, Predicate Evangelium (Preach the Gospel), is expected to be published in the first of months of the new year, and much of it is about streamlining curial offices and making them more cost-efficient. At the moment, Ecclesia Dei has a separate budget, so ending the structure and having its staff absorbed into the CDF could help achieve that as part of the curia-wide restructuring.

It could also ensure that various aspects of the commission’s work related to liturgy and religious life are kept within the arguably more sympathetic confines of the CDF rather than delegated to the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life, where the interests of the SSPX and traditional Catholics in general are likely to receive a less favorable hearing among officials in both of those dicasteries (CDW prefect Cardinal Robert Sarah notwithstanding).

Much of the alarm about the rumored changes stems from recent reports of some opposition to Summorum Pontificuм within the Italian bishops’ conference, and a general belief — yet to be concretely proven — that Pope Francis wishes to repeal it and is opposed to the SSPX. Francis, however, has previously made a number of conciliatory gestures toward the Society, most notably granting all of its priests faculties to hear valid confessions during and after the Jubilee Year of Mercy.

Benedict XVI was the first to integrate the commission into the CDF when in 2009 he made the Congregation’s prefect the ex officio head of Ecclesia Dei rather than a cardinal president, which was the case until then.

For all these reasons, the general approach among sources both within the Vatican and among traditional Catholics is to “keep calm” and to wait and see what the final motu proprio communicates.
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Offline nottambula

Re: A Step for the Regularization of the SSPX? - Dissolution of Ecclesia Dei
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2018, 03:39:11 PM »
SYNTHESIS OF THE NOVELTIES ABOUT "ECCLESIA DEI"

The headquarters of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, to which the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei belongs

Quote from Vaticanist Marco Tosatti: "It is not a mystery that the reigning pontiff and a good part of his power group (in particular the prefect of the Congregation for the Clergy, Cardinal Stella, one of the many Beria of the Vatican) , love, like the smoke in your eyes, everything that reminds you of the tradition, but that you have decided to push the Catholics to fill the churches of the SSPX, killing the liturgy Vetus Ordo seems really surreal. "A Cryptolefebvrist pontiff? ! " (from the article "Ecclesia Dei liquidada? Credible voices, we hope not." ). 

Tosatti and, in general, the conservatives who value the Tridentine mass, think that the objective of the suppression or transformation of the pontifical commission Eclessia Dei, would be to restrict severely or, in fact, to prohibit the celebration of the mass according to the vetus ordo; what would cause that the faithful who at the moment attend the tridentine Masses celebrated according to the motu proprio Summorum Pontificuм , are forced to emigrate en masse to the SSPX. Fearing this attack on the Tridentine mass, Tosatti expresses his hope that the suppression or transformation of Ecclesia Dei will not take effect.

Others, however (see here and here ), maintain, for some time now, that Pope Francis intends to "kill two birds with one stone": restrict the vetus ordo and control the SSPX, giving it the great Greek gift of a sort of world monopoly on the celebration of the "extraordinary rite" (which necessarily involves the regularization of the Fraternity).

Another very important quote from Tosatti: "The Motu Proprio that establishes the end of Ecclesia Dei as an independent commission ... says that the pastoral emergency linked to the celebration of Vetus Ordo has come to an end, which led to the creation of the Commission Ecclesia Dei thirty years ago, and as a result, also the Commission, in its current form, no longer has any reason to exist. " ( source ) What was that "pastoral emergency"? For the existence of a congregation that, outside the control of liberal and modernist Rome, was able to attract to itself the Catholics who wanted to continue fighting in defense of the Catholic faith. According to the same Monsignor Lefebvre, this is the true purpose of Ecclesia Dei: it is, he said, a "Roman commission that is responsible for the recovery of the traditionalists to submit them to the Council" ( source ) . That is why some reasonably assume that the regularization of the SSPX is close.

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Offline Maria Auxiliadora

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Re: A Step for the Regularization of the SSPX? - Dissolution of Ecclesia Dei
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2018, 12:00:41 PM »

It all boils down to what Una Voce Malta reported in October 2017. The SSPX Prelature is around the corner with all the indult communities under the SSPX or they will have to accept the changes to the missal but remember that even the SSPX exemption will be only temporary.  

It's about time the Resistance damp the 1962 Missal. It was only transitional in 1962 and is still transitional in 2018 to bring the SSPX and indult communities back to the Novus Ordo.


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http://pro-tridentina-malta.blogspot.com/2017/10/breaking-news-massive-liturgical.html
 
Sunday, October 8, 2017
Breaking News: Massive liturgical changes expected in 2018!
Reliable sources close to the Holy See have indicated that sometime in the second half of 2018, the Novus Ordo Lectionary and Calendar are to be imposed upon the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Mass.

The new Roman Missal will become available on the First Sunday of Advent 2018 but the Vatican will allow a two-year period to phase it in. These changes are expected to be much more drastic than what was envisaged in Universae Ecclesiae that states:
25. New saints and certain of the new prefaces can and ought to be inserted into the 1962 Missal, according to provisions which will be indicated subsequently. (emphasis ours)

The Vatican approved societies and institutes, such as the Fraternity of Saint Peter and the Institute of Christ the King, will likely apply for exemptions, but all requests are expected to be turned down. The only exception seems to be the SSPX, which might be granted a temporary exemption, to ensure that an agreement is reached between the SSPX and Rome.  However, if the exemption granted will be of a temporary nature, more SSPX priests are expected to join the so-called Resistance (formerly known as SSPX-SO) under Bishop Richard Williamson and more will go independent.This would make the traditional Catholic movement more fragmented than ever before.

(some emphasis mine), original link provided.



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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: A Step for the Regularization of the SSPX? - Dissolution of Ecclesia Dei
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2018, 12:14:14 PM »
Good, get rid of the whole "ecclesia dei" commission/law/motu proprio, which is a distraction and a subversion of the only law that matters (and which is still in effect): Quo Primum.

Let +Francis gut the traditional movement and see how the younger generations react - many of whom have discovered the TLM and see the emptyness of the novus ordo.  Let all the "conservative" catholics in the novus ordo truly see the evil and anti-catholic aims of the V2 hierarchy and what V2's real purpose was - destruction of the true faith.  Then, maybe they'll wake up!  Maybe they'll leave the V2 church!

Meanwhile, Quo Primum remains in effect, it's permissions to say the TLM remain, it's command to ONLY use the TLM missal remains and it's obligation for catholics to avoid any other missals, still stand in force, under penalty of sin.  Getting rid of the "ecclesia dei" fiasco will just make the battle lines clearer.

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