Author Topic: A question about Bishop Fellay. (Read 9509 times)

Matto · « **on:** February 22, 2013, 01:52:45 PM »

I have a question about Bishop Fellay for all of you. Does he believe that the theory of evolution is true?

Mea Culpa · « **Reply #1 on:** February 22, 2013, 02:21:22 PM »

At the rate at which he's been contradicting himself, ABL, and tradition, I wouldn't doubt it or put it past him.

Matthew · « **Reply #2 on:** February 22, 2013, 02:35:25 PM »

Quote from: Matto

I have a question about Bishop Fellay for all of you. Does he believe that the theory of evolution is true?

What brought this question up?

Just because +Fellay wants to make a premature practical deal with Rome, completely against the advice of Archbishop Lefebvre, it doesn't follow that he's completely lost his rational mind.

There could be many ideas and attachments that are clouding his judgment in the matter.

Evolution is a fool's theory. No matter how many words proponents use to obfuscate and make it sound plausible, a person really CAN simplify the Theory of Evolution to saying that "complete nothingness exploded and created all that exists, including the complex order we see in the universe."

They also believe that man evolved from monkeys, even though monkeys still exist and we've found no missing links that weren't hoaxes. In fact, arguing AGAINST evolution are the dozens of missing-link hoaxes that have been attempted over the years. If evolution were true, why did all these scientists see the need to LIE and attempt to DECEIVE us with a hoax?

Moreover, we have no evidence that more genetic complexity is ever added. On the contrary, nature seems to DESTROY it only.

True scientists aren't threatened with the existence of God.

Matto · « **Reply #3 on:** February 22, 2013, 02:38:20 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

What brought this question up?

The reason I asked this question is because I heard a sermon by Father Pfeiffer in which he claimed that Bisop Fellay forbade the publishing of a book denouncing the theory of evolution because it was too extreme.

Matthew · « **Reply #4 on:** February 22, 2013, 02:40:58 PM »

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Quote from: Matthew
What brought this question up?

The reason I asked this question is because I heard a sermon by Father Pfeiffer in which he claimed that Bisop Fellay forbid the publishing of a book denouncing the theory of evolution because it was too extreme.

Well that makes more sense.

Rome is completely in line with the modern world, including all its philosophies and theories.

Modernism, remember, holds evolution of doctrine as one of its core tenets.

So forbidding books against evolution would help make the SSPX more palatable to the (as they are, Modernist, apostate) Rome.

Just another piece of evidence that we have a Crisis in the SSPX right now. And it's not the fault of the Resistance or faithful Catholics! Any more than Traditional Catholics and Archbishop Lefebvre were responsible for the Crisis in the Church.

Matto · « **Reply #5 on:** February 22, 2013, 02:57:51 PM »

is the sermon I mentioned. Fast-forward to 42:30 to hear where Father Pfeiffer claims that Bishop Fellay forbade the publishing of an anti-evolution book because it was too extreme.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #6 on:** February 22, 2013, 03:30:08 PM »

Quote from: Matto

Quote from: Matthew
What brought this question up?

The reason I asked this question is because I heard a sermon by Father Pfeiffer in which he claimed that Bisop Fellay forbade the publishing of a book denouncing the theory of evolution because it was too extreme.

Unbelievable.

Bishop Fellay's liberalism is frightening. He is going to such extreme lengths to please modernist Rome.

I just finished listening to an awesome sermon from Fr. Hewko. He said that when Assisi III was about to happen, Fr. Chazal approached Bishop Fellay and asked him if he was going to come out strong against it. Bishop Fellay said "no" because of the relations with Rome.

That certainly didn't stop Archbishop Lefebvre from condemning the first meeting at Assisi! God is going to hold Bishop Fellay accountable on Judgement Day for refusing to speak the truth.

Ethelred · « **Reply #7 on:** February 22, 2013, 04:15:07 PM »

Quote from: Matto

Quote from: Matthew
What brought this question up?

The reason I asked this question is because I heard a sermon by Father Pfeiffer in which he claimed that Bisop Fellay forbade the publishing of a book denouncing the theory of evolution because it was too extreme.

Yes, that is correct.
The book Fr. Pfeiffer mentioned in his good sermon was written by the German Fr. Johannes Grün with the help of Fr. Hermann Weinzierl.

Fr. Johannes Grün is still in the SSPX and served also in the USA, but now he's again in Germany or Switzerland. Fr. Weinzierl however was forced to leave the SSPX a few months ago and runs an independent traditional Catholic chapel now.

Fr. Weinzierl told me how Bp. Fellay himself forbid the book to be published in the SSPX when it was completed. So yes, Fr. Pfeiffer is correct.
Somehow the brave authors managed to get their book published outside the SSPX in the year 2000. Sadly, it's out of print by now. However, it's still available second hand on Amazon. I'd like to copy its details from another thread:

Amazon.de

Title: Die Schöpfung - ein göttlicher Plan.
Die Evolution im Lichte naturwissenschaftlicher Fakten und philosophisch-theologischer Grundlagen

(In English this means something like: The Creation - a divine plan.
The Evolution examined with scientific facts and with philosophical-theological principles)

Hardcover edition, 544 pages
Verlag: Verax, year 2000
ISBN-10: 3909065058
ISBN-13: 978-3909065059
Authors: Johannes Grün, Hermann Weinzierl

There's no English translation so far. Which is a real pity, because the book is most excellent. It must be the best book I found so far on the entire evolution, big-bang, etc matter from a true Catholic point of view. An excellent author with a subtle and precise way to express things very clearly and very academically.

By the way, most German-speaking SSPX priests including Fr. Schmidberger and Fr. Pfluger believe in the big-bang madness and in other parts of the "evolution" like the alleged 12-18 billion years age of the universe and its continuous expansion since the big-bang's "point zero".
I think Bp. Fellay does believe this, too. For sure this nonsense is taught in the German SSPX seminary.

They don't take Scripture seriously anymore. That is very grave. For example the creation account would be just a metaphor, one of the SSPX big-bang priests said to me. Next time I'll have to ask him if he thinks this applies to other parts of the scripture, too. Because ultimately this is the road map.

Matto · « **Reply #8 on:** February 22, 2013, 04:19:53 PM »

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For sure this nonsense is taught in the German SSPX seminary.

Is this true? Does the SSPX really teach evolution in the seminary. I am sure it was not so at Winona when Matthew was there. I thought that maybe Bishop Fellay held evolution as a private opinion but you are saying that they actually teach it in the seminary. I am amazed! Do you have any proof of this?

If this is true the German SSPX seminary is worthless. Worthless. A bastard seminary. I hope the others are not bastard seminaries as well. If this is really true, I hope Bishop Williamson and the resistance priests really do get together and open their own seminary for the formation of proper priests willing to fight against evolution and the other false theories of modernism.

Matthew · « **Reply #9 on:** February 22, 2013, 04:38:05 PM »

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Quote from: Ethelred
For sure this nonsense is taught in the German SSPX seminary.

Is this true? Does the SSPX really teach evolution in the seminary. I am sure it was not so at Winona when Matthew was there. I thought that maybe Bishop Fellay held evolution as a private opinion but you are saying that they actually teach it in the seminary. I am amazed! Do you have any proof of this?

You're right -- I don't remember the topic of Evolution coming up very often, but whenever it did it was soundly beaten down. I never heard the slightest defense of any part of Evolution during my time in Winona. But that was back at the turn of the Millennium -- while +W was still rector. I can't speak to how things are today.

Back in the day, all the professors were excellent. Completely anti-liberal, anti-modernist, full of common sense and Thomistic philosophy -- and, most important of all, filled with the true Catholic Faith.

Ethelred · « **Reply #10 on:** February 23, 2013, 03:50:07 AM »

Quote from: Matto

Quote from: Ethelred
For sure this nonsense is taught in the German SSPX seminary.

Is this true? Does the SSPX really teach evolution in the seminary.

"Just" a "religious" version of the big-bang, going like this: God used the big-bang to "create" the universe (which is always expanding).
So we're very generous and allow God to act in the very, very limited borders of modern atheistic scientists...

The former rector of the German SSPX seminary and current district superior Fr. Schmidberger used his monthly SSPX newsletter in spring of 2010 to let propagate this "religious" big-bang nonsense in a lengthy article. So the big-bang is official for the German-speaking SSPX (*).
A brave Catholic scientist from Fr. Weinzierl's SSPX parish wrote a long refuting letter to Fr. Schmidberger but as usual got only a two-liner as "answer".

If I remember correctly in some of his sermons Fr. Pfeiffer mentioned that the pro evolutionism big-bang nonsense is also spreading amongst the American SSPX priests. Anybody of you "over there" got more details, maybe?
I'm pretty sure this is not a German thing at all, but is so in most continental European SSPX districts, and maybe also in the American districts by now.

Now believing in the big-bang (religious or not) means you're already into evolutionism. Because the big-bang is the evolutionist's necessary starting point and both theories depend on each other. Catholics believing in the big-bang may not yet be completely into evolutionism, but they're on the road to there and the dike is collapsing. It's only a question of time before they will be supporting it in full.

Fr. Grün in his excellent book quotes lengthy the big-bang theory from the mouth of leading evolutionists, before he then corrects them carefully. Since I just recently read this chapter, I have to say that I didn't remember anymore how stupid the big-bang theory actually is, when you read it in all its details (again).

The SSPX priests, the German ones for sure but probably others, too, in their majority and including their former and today's superiors (Fr. Pfluger & Fr. Schmidberger) defend and propagate this utter nonsense. It's telling a lot.
And Bp. Fellay, who as general superior has always been working together with Fr. Pfluger extremely close, prohibits books from his own priests who refute evolutionism.

Well, you can't get in line with Newrome and the modern world, if you oppose evolutionism and its big-bang.

(*) Those knowing German could look it up here: http://www.pius.info/mitteilungsblatt
I could find out the exact month when the big-bang article was being published.

Ethelred · « **Reply #11 on:** February 23, 2013, 03:53:45 AM »

Quote from: Matthew

You're right -- I don't remember the topic of Evolution coming up very often, but whenever it did it was soundly beaten down. I never heard the slightest defense of any part of Evolution during my time in Winona. But that was back at the turn of the Millennium -- while +W was still rector. I can't speak to how things are today.

Back in the day, all the professors were excellent. Completely anti-liberal, anti-modernist, full of common sense and Thomistic philosophy -- and, most important of all, filled with the true Catholic Faith.

That's why the rector and probably his supporting professors had to be removed.

Was it here on Cathinfo or on Ignis, that a few months ago Faber mentioned from first hand (if I remember correctly!) that of the then four SSPX bishops only one believes in the authenticity of Scripture concerning The Flood.

If this is true, then it's telling a lot!

P.S. Of course this one is Bishop Williamson. God bless him.

Wessex · « **Reply #12 on:** February 23, 2013, 07:06:55 AM »

A liberalising HQ with an eye on the future would see the seminaries as a prime target for its plans after placing progressives in key positions. Large urban parishes would then be the text target where folk lead fast modern lives among young 'trendy' priests. Rural parishes would be allowed to sleep longer before getting in line. There is also the geographical aspect to consider. The prosperous German zone is leading the way in all this and is contaminating the wider Euro zone. From there, importing useful French priests as bureacrats, the Americas are responding with some resistance. The UK seems to have been by-passed for now but changes are to be expected.

Ethelred · « **Reply #13 on:** February 23, 2013, 07:44:22 AM »

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[..] a few months ago Faber mentioned from first hand (if I remember correctly!) that of the then four SSPX bishops only one believes in the authenticity of Scripture concerning The Flood.

Probably inaccurate word; "authenticity" (not so good) → "literality" (better)

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A liberalising HQ with an eye on the future would see the seminaries as a prime target for its plans after placing progressives in key positions. Large urban parishes would then be the text target where folk lead fast modern lives among young 'trendy' priests. Rural parishes would be allowed to sleep longer before getting in line.

Yes indeed.

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There is also the geographical aspect to consider. The prosperous German zone is leading the way in all this and is contaminating the wider Euro zone. From there, importing useful French priests as bureacrats, the Americas are responding with some resistance. The UK seems to have been by-passed for now but changes are to be expected.

I think the problem of the liberalisation of the SSPX is not rooted in, or restricted to, one single place here in Europe, but rather that it's a Catholic i.e. universal i.e. worldwide problem from the beginning.

Who was the first world-famous liberal? The Roman Pontius Pilatus, when in front of the incarnated truth he hypocritically asked : "What is truth?"
(And didn't Adam & Eve act pretty liberal when they ignored God and His law in paradise?)

Also, concerning the SSPX let's remember that :
a) the GREC conspiracy underlines that the liberalisation of the SSPX has been started a long time ago (in the 1990'ies) as a long-term plan, and it did not start in Germany.
b) the general superior of the SSPX, Bishop Fellay, is a French-Swiss.
c) From the four SSPX bishops none is German, but still three-fourths failed.
d) Fr. Schmidberger manages easily to ruin any district, even prosperous ones, but his superior period will end early. :-)

B from A · « **Reply #14 on:** February 23, 2013, 09:59:28 AM »

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Was it here on Cathinfo or on Ignis, that a few months ago Faber mentioned from first hand (if I remember correctly!) that of the then four SSPX bishops only one believes in the [literality] of Scripture concerning The Flood.

If this is true, then it's telling a lot!

P.S. Of course this one is Bishop Williamson. God bless him.

Ignis:

Quote from: Faber

Time for one more rumour. I was told by someone who had heard it from an SSPX priest, that only one of the four SSPX bishops believes that the biblical flood really happened, that there was a worldwide flood.

Edit: Bp Williamson is the one.

Ignis:

Quote from: Faber

Here is, what I was told:

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Ich glaube übrigens selbstverständlich an die Authentizität der Genesis.

Allerdings weiß ich seit Samstag (Vortrag eines Pius-Paters bzw. Gespräch unter vier Augen danach), dass bis auf Weihbischof Williamson es die Pius-Bischöfe nicht tun (und angeblich auch die heutige katholische Lehre nicht).
Weihbischof Tissier de Mallerais soll die globale Sintflut ausdrücklich bezweifeln, weil das wissenschaftlich nicht möglich sei, dass sich in der Kürze der Zeit dann schon wieder alle Arten entwickelt hätten. Oder so. Das hat er angeblich dem betreffenden Pater selbst gesagt.

The Lady, who wrote this to me in January 2012, reports that an SSPX priest told her, after a conference he gave, that - besides Bp Williamson - the SSPX Bishops do not believe in the biblical global flood.

This post has been edited by Faber on Dec 1 2012, 04:08 AM

It would be interesting to know if it is true. If anyone gets to see any of the bishops in person, perhaps you could ask them.