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Offline Machabees

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A play of Roman chess...
« on: November 06, 2012, 07:42:15 PM »
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  • I have observed over the last year, an interesting Roman chess game being played out.  

    In other words, when it was discovered that the leaders of the SSPX wanted to "cush" up to the "conciliar authorities" (as we discovered had happened in the beginning of 2012), we faithful did not hear anything, but silence...Nothing is going on.  

    Then Conciliar Rome comes out with a declaration and says: Yes, there is!  (spring of 2012).

    Next, we have back peddling from Menzingen.  

    A little time passes.  We hear nothing again.  

    We ask again: What is going on?   SSPX response follows: Very little.  Then out comes the explosive internal leaks that exposes a whole network of intentions and desires (Bishop's exchange of letters, etc...).  

    A massive identity crises then emerges.  The world wakes up.  Conciliar Rome smirks in their game of chess -Divide and Conquer.  

    The dust settles a little bit.  

    Menzingen does more back peddling and press releases.  (CNS interviews, etc...).

    Contradictions emerge...more back peddling.  No retractions happen!

    The dust settles a little bit more.  More people are taken in with the Menzingen song -"There is nothing here...".  

    Then the 6-Conditions of the General Chapter surfaces -back to a true sign-off for a "pragmatic deal".  

    An explosion happens again...What??!!!  

    More back peddling -Well, don't worry, Rome said no anyway.  So what is the problem -relax- go to sleep.  Nothing here (...).

    Then in the Conciliar Roman chess game, Rome comes out to again put more fuel on the fire -in their recent DECLARATION OF THE PONTIFICAL COMMISSION "ECCLESIA DEI" (Oct. 27, 2012), and says: Oh. yes there is!

    Has anyone else observed this...play of Roman chess?


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    « Reply #1 on: November 06, 2012, 09:30:04 PM »
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  • I cannot argue with your observation. Our "rebel" priests and bishop appear to be preparing the escape route for when Menzingen consummates its sellout to the modernists.


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    « Reply #2 on: November 08, 2012, 11:55:33 PM »
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  • Has anyone noticed that the last time Bishop Fellay wrote a “Superior General's
    Letter to Friends & Benefactors” was his Number #79 on December 21, 2011.  

    We are coming to a year since he himself “officially” wrote something.  I would think that with all of the contradictions that have been said and the “rumors” that followed trying to figure things out –hence all of the explosions, that he would just write an official letter as the Superior General, and just “set things straight”.  Sounds simple to me.

    No more punishments to priests, and faithful denied Holy Communion.  No more expulsions.  Just be the “shepherd” and let us know from YOURSELF rather than from a bunch of “press secretaries” running around giving sound bites and back peddling –well Bishop Fallay meant to say this…  Oh, he was just misquoted…  and so on.

    I think coming clean, and any retractions necessary is long overdue; as would be an example of virtue that would come from the pulpit that he preaches from…

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    « Reply #3 on: November 09, 2012, 10:31:02 AM »
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  • Quote from: Machabees
    Has anyone noticed that the last time Bishop Fellay wrote a “Superior General's
    Letter to Friends & Benefactors” was his Number #79 on December 21, 2011.  

    We are coming to a year since he himself “officially” wrote something.  I would think that with all of the contradictions that have been said and the “rumors” that followed trying to figure things out –hence all of the explosions, that he would just write an official letter as the Superior General, and just “set things straight”.  Sounds simple to me.

    No more punishments to priests, and faithful denied Holy Communion.  No more expulsions.  Just be the “shepherd” and let us know from YOURSELF rather than from a bunch of “press secretaries” running around giving sound bites and back peddling –well Bishop Fallay meant to say this…  Oh, he was just misquoted…  and so on.

    I think coming clean, and any retractions necessary is long overdue; as would be an example of virtue that would come from the pulpit that he preaches from…


    Comming clean would require one to be honest & truthful. Being silent and waiting to see where the dust settles (seeing if the majority of SSPXers will leave or stay) is being "prudent".

    In my humble opinion, this whole fiasco caused by +Fellay is a political situation and he's (ab)using our Precious Faith by dangling it as a carrot in his personal ambitions.

    I keep asking myself this question "what does +Fellay gain by joining Rome?"

    1) He's already got the "True Faith"
    2) He's already the Superior General and leader of the SSPX

    If #1 is wrong, then he justifies making this agreement.

    ......and anything else will be for personal gain.....money, positions of power and whatever else the world values.

     

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    « Reply #4 on: November 09, 2012, 11:44:26 AM »
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  • Quote from: Machabees
    Has anyone noticed that the last time Bishop Fellay wrote a “Superior General's
    Letter to Friends & Benefactors” was his Number #79 on December 21, 2011.  

    We are coming to a year since he himself “officially” wrote something.  I would think that with all of the contradictions that have been said and the “rumors” that followed trying to figure things out –hence all of the explosions, that he would just write an official letter as the Superior General, and just “set things straight”.  Sounds simple to me.

    No more punishments to priests, and faithful denied Holy Communion.  No more expulsions.  Just be the “shepherd” and let us know from YOURSELF rather than from a bunch of “press secretaries” running around giving sound bites and back peddling –well Bishop Fallay meant to say this…  Oh, he was just misquoted…  and so on.

    I think coming clean, and any retractions necessary is long overdue; as would be an example of virtue that would come from the pulpit that he preaches from…

    He's dealing with a complex "tangled web" factor as he changes the Society. Almost anything he writes at this point aside from inoffensive platitudes is likely to betray him, so he leaves all diffusion of "info" to underlings and leakers. This way he can disavow any problematic parts if necessary.


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    « Reply #5 on: November 09, 2012, 11:45:34 PM »
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  • In chess, the objective is obvious.  The whole point of the game is to  checkmate
    the opponent's king, or, failing that potentiality, to achieve a draw when in
    possession of insufficient material to effect a victory.  But in any case, to avoid
    being checkmated by the opponent (or, in regulated play, not to run out of time).  

    But what is going on in the SSPX?  

    In post-Conciliar Rome, it's Conciliar-business-as-usual, which amounts to
    subterfuge, deception and keeping up a marketable image.  Sorry if the truth is
    a bitter pill.  The highest law of the Church is the salvation of souls, but I
    shouldn't have to enumerate all the reasons that law has apparently been
    shoved 'under the rug' for half of a century and counting.  There is some serious
    monkey business going on at the highest levels.  The mystery of iniquity is
    working overtime.  And apparently the SSPX represents some kind of 'obstacle'
    to whatever-it-is that has subsumed the position of the "highest law of the
    Church."

    But in the SSPX, there must be some objective.

    What could that be?  As Mea Culpa has highlighted, "what does +Fellay gain by
    joining Rome?"

    1)  He's already got the "True Faith"
    2)  He's already the Superior General and leader of the SSPX

    If #1 is wrong, then he justifies making this agreement.

    ......and anything else will be for personal gain.....money, positions of power and
    whatever else the world values. [...or.......will it?]

    I know for a fact that +Fellay has been entirely enamored with the prospect of
    making some kind of "return to normal," under the authority of the Pope.  He has
    been overtly preaching this agenda for at least 15 years.  I know it has been
    that long because I saw it happen in 1997, but it could have been going on
    before that time.  So this is not just a fad, or a lark, or some transitory whim.  
    This is a whole lot closer to being the summit and substance for his reason for
    getting up in the morning.  It is apparently his life's ambition.  

    It defines his schedule, his speeches, his hand-picked appointments of district
    superiors and chapter capitulants, his business lunches, his conversations with
    other clerics, his meetings with the Vatican bureaucrats, his e-mails, his press
    conferences and interviews, and what he says to the children on the playground
    as he glances to and fro to see who it is watching him because he's much more
    concerned with what someone THINKS about to whom he speaks than he is with
    the content of his conversation with that person at hand.


    Now, what could be the motive for such dedication -- dedication, mind you, that
    makes it seem worthwhile and "prudent" (he loves to preach on prudence, and
    has trained his yes-men to do likewise!) to go so far as to even EVICT his own
    elder brother in the faith, his senior bishop, with the ostensible intention -- for
    him to further this lifetime personal goal of his?

    Could it be the bestowal of ecclesiastical ordinary jurisdiction, of which he
    currently is deprived?

    Could it be getting his name in the Guiness Book of World Records?

    Could it be a much more impressive Facebook page?

    Could it be to win a bet he made with someone 15-1/2 years ago?

    What is it that is so powerful that it consumes all the efforts of the District
    Superior's every action, word and thought for 15 years, with no end in sight?  

    I don't have any doubts that there has been a 'Roman Chess game' going on, but
    it would most decidedly help my understanding of the game if I could be informed
    of what the stakes are.  Because it's starting to look like someone may have
    made a deal already, a deal with another person, and when I say 'person' I'm not
    necessarily talking about a human being.......................







    Quote from: Mea Culpa
    Quote from: Machabees
    Has anyone noticed that the last time Bishop Fellay wrote a “Superior General's
    Letter to Friends & Benefactors” was his Number #79 on December 21, 2011.  

    We are coming to a year since he himself “officially” wrote something.  I would think that with all of the contradictions that have been said and the “rumors” that followed trying to figure things out –hence all of the explosions, that he would just write an official letter as the Superior General, and just “set things straight”.  Sounds simple to me.

    No more punishments to priests, and faithful denied Holy Communion.  No more expulsions.  Just be the “shepherd” and let us know from YOURSELF rather than from a bunch of “press secretaries” running around giving sound bites and back peddling –well Bishop Fallay meant to say this…  Oh, he was just misquoted…  and so on.

    I think coming clean, and any retractions necessary is long overdue; as would be an example of virtue that would come from the pulpit that he preaches from…


    Comming clean would require one to be honest & truthful. Being silent and waiting to see where the dust settles (seeing if the majority of SSPXers will leave or stay) is being "prudent".

    In my humble opinion, this whole fiasco caused by +Fellay is a political situation and he's (ab)using our Precious Faith by dangling it as a carrot in his personal ambitions.

    I keep asking myself this question "what does +Fellay gain by joining Rome?"

    1) He's already got the "True Faith"
    2) He's already the Superior General and leader of the SSPX

    If #1 is wrong, then he justifies making this agreement.

    ......and anything else will be for personal gain.....money, positions of power and whatever else the world values.


     
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    « Reply #6 on: November 10, 2012, 01:33:45 AM »
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  • So, the topic is a "Roman Chess Game" and what does Bp. Fellay get out of the end game ?

     Krah's Remnant interview and the analysis done by trads on the  
     forums along with Hoffman's premise that Max is a zionist agent has to change
     the way we look at this.

     The average traditional Catholic should see right through a man like Max Krah.
     He's transparent, he's a phoney, yet the SSPX insiders protect him.
     
     Now we discover he bribed his way in with $100 million and he's blatantly
     pandering the Israeli cause.  As Hoffman says, he's selling us "h0Ɩ0cαųstianity".

     There is very likely blackmail in this mix.   It's the standard zionists infiltration
     MO and could explain Bp. Fellay's bizarre behavior.

    We have the guise of newRome "officiating" the chess game,
    but the SSPX is dealing directly with the ʝʊdɛօ-masons.  

    The game's objective is to neutralize the SSPX.  So, all the discussions about jurisdiction and prelature rules are just meaningless.

    The tribe figures they don't have to be subtle.
    "The goy are so dumb, we can do whatever we want with them anyway".

    The SSPX faithful's blatant acceptance of Max Krah is equivalent to America's
    dumbed-down acceptance of Obama.  
           
    On the surface, the game is pretty much over except for a few minor details.

    Its time for true "Catholic tradition" to go underground.
     


    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #7 on: November 10, 2012, 07:47:17 AM »
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  • Quote from: Machabees
    Has anyone noticed that the last time Bishop Fellay wrote a “Superior General's
    Letter to Friends & Benefactors” was his Number #79 on December 21, 2011.  

    We are coming to a year since he himself “officially” wrote something.  I would think that with all of the contradictions that have been said and the “rumors” that followed trying to figure things out –hence all of the explosions, that he would just write an official letter as the Superior General, and just “set things straight”.  Sounds simple to me.

    No more punishments to priests, and faithful denied Holy Communion.  No more expulsions.  Just be the “shepherd” and let us know from YOURSELF rather than from a bunch of “press secretaries” running around giving sound bites and back peddling –well Bishop Fallay meant to say this…  Oh, he was just misquoted…  and so on.

    I think coming clean, and any retractions necessary is long overdue; as would be an example of virtue that would come from the pulpit that he preaches from…


    He's speaking through laymen to achieve plausible deniability.


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    « Reply #8 on: November 10, 2012, 07:50:03 AM »
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    Quote from: Machabees
    Has anyone noticed that the last time Bishop Fellay wrote a “Superior General's
    Letter to Friends & Benefactors” was his Number #79 on December 21, 2011.  

    We are coming to a year since he himself “officially” wrote something.  I would think that with all of the contradictions that have been said and the “rumors” that followed trying to figure things out –hence all of the explosions, that he would just write an official letter as the Superior General, and just “set things straight”.  Sounds simple to me.

    No more punishments to priests, and faithful denied Holy Communion.  No more expulsions.  Just be the “shepherd” and let us know from YOURSELF rather than from a bunch of “press secretaries” running around giving sound bites and back peddling –well Bishop Fallay meant to say this…  Oh, he was just misquoted…  and so on.

    I think coming clean, and any retractions necessary is long overdue; as would be an example of virtue that would come from the pulpit that he preaches from…


    He's speaking through laymen to achieve plausible deniability.


    He saw what happened to his own words last spring - he was sliced, diced, and analyzed into infamy. Now he hides behind bullet-catching dummies.

    I was just thinking last night that there was a time when I actually trusted him. Hmmm.

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    « Reply #9 on: November 10, 2012, 08:03:08 AM »
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  • once upon a time.... we believed we could trust all of the sspx..... then we woke up..... with a jolt! :pop:

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    « Reply #10 on: November 10, 2012, 09:32:56 PM »
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  • Quote from: Incredulous
    The SSPX faithful's blatant acceptance of Max Krah is equivalent to America's
    dumbed-down acceptance of Obama.  
           
    On the surface, the game is pretty much over except for a few minor details.

    Its time for true "Catholic tradition" to go underground.

    I think the SSPX faithful's acceptance of Krah is worse than America's acceptance of Obama. The only election alternatives for Americans have been neocon puppets committed to starting WWIII.

    I agree that it is time for Catholic tradition to go underground, perhaps in gatherings where attendance is by invitation only. Included in the sermons or the study topics should be practical information about the cօռspιʀαcιҽs that are warring against the Church. The typical SSPX chapel and catechism class is too public for leaders and participants to feel comfortable discussing practical resistance to cultural marxism. Threats the our faith and that of our children are only broached upon in blandest of generalities.

    At the chapel we can talk about the Early Christians and the lions, Queen Elizabeth and Edmund Campion, the persecution of the Japanese Catholics, or former Soviet Bloc, but never can we officially address the realities of here and now. Some at the chapel know the score, but we are surrounded by newcomers and oldtimers that would be shocked and offended if anyone transgressed the taboos.

    Breaking through the mind control that incapacitates Catholics should be the first priority of the trad resistance.


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    « Reply #11 on: January 22, 2013, 09:25:42 PM »
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  • In these recent statements, and official letters, coming from conciliar Rome (Cardinal Antonio Canizares, and Archbishop Di Noia) over these last couple of weeks, this subject of "A play of Roman chess..." keeps coming back to mind.

    These Romans, historically, have played this game for a long time.

    When Menzingen keeps "back peddling", and saying "there is no deal" to sooth and pacify us, Rome is cleverly trying to disclose some hidden "facts" in their SSPX "toy box"; which isn't faring to well for Bishop Fellay and company.

    I personally think that Menzingen is being set up into a check-mate position.  I can see it now...bottom line will come down to SUBMIT, or be "RE-EXCOMMUNICATED AND SCHISMATIC" again, for all the world to see a new "fresh spin" for a "new condemnation" of disobedience to the Pope (...).

    So then, Bishop Fellay, what is your next move?  Are you still going to play into their trap?  Or will you take the road of humility for your imprudent deeds, stand up for the truth that Archbishop Lefebvre had done, reinstate all of those good priests and Bishop you have unjustly expelled, resign from your post, and do penance in a Monastery for the irreparable sins you have committed.

    Then unity and peace may be restored -if the damage- is not already to late.

    We are all watching...

    What is your next move?  

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    « Reply #12 on: January 23, 2013, 09:04:50 AM »
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  • Quote from: Machabees

    So then, Bishop Fellay, what is your next move?  Are you still going to play into their trap?  Or will you take the road of humility for your imprudent deeds, stand up for the truth that Archbishop Lefebvre had done, reinstate all of those good priests and Bishop you have unjustly expelled, resign from your post, and do penance in a Monastery for the irreparable sins you have committed.

    What is your next move?  



     :shocked: What??? What?? What nonsense!!!






    Don't you know my plan???





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    « Reply #13 on: January 23, 2013, 10:18:16 AM »
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  • Quote from: Machabees
    In these recent statements, and official letters, coming from conciliar Rome (Cardinal Antonio Canizares, and Archbishop Di Noia) over these last couple of weeks, this subject of "A play of Roman chess..." keeps coming back to mind.

    These Romans, historically, have played this game for a long time.

    When Menzingen keeps "back peddling", and saying "there is no deal" to sooth and pacify us, Rome is cleverly trying to disclose some hidden "facts" in their SSPX "toy box"; which isn't faring to well for Bishop Fellay and company.

    I personally think that Menzingen is being set up into a check-mate position.  I can see it now...bottom line will come down to SUBMIT, or be "RE-EXCOMMUNICATED AND SCHISMATIC" again, for all the world to see a new "fresh spin" for a "new condemnation" of disobedience to the Pope (...).

    So then, Bishop Fellay, what is your next move?  Are you still going to play into their trap?  Or will you take the road of humility for your imprudent deeds, stand up for the truth that Archbishop Lefebvre had done, reinstate all of those good priests and Bishop you have unjustly expelled, resign from your post, and do penance in a Monastery for the irreparable sins you have committed.

    Then unity and peace may be restored -if the damage- is not already to late.

    We are all watching...

    What is your next move?  

     
    Now after the split, their congregations comprise a significant amount of those who actually fear an excommunication from modernist Rome, and would leave the SSPX if His Excellency Fellay didn't capitulate to the Vatican in the face of such a threat. This would appear to indicate His Holiness has caused the SSPX to separate themselves from their true supporters.  
    We're not just witnessing a chess game, but a cunning master at work!

    I think Bishop Fellay is merely cowardly and incompetent, and his obvious compromise being an act of desperation, as he has been decisively outplayed by the able and bold Modernists, who were even able to maneuver themselves into a position of dominance over the Roman Curia at the last council.

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    « Reply #14 on: January 25, 2013, 08:55:18 PM »
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  • Quote from: Jerome
    Quote from: Machabees

    So then, Bishop Fellay, what is your next move?  Are you still going to play into their trap?  Or will you take the road of humility for your imprudent deeds, stand up for the truth that Archbishop Lefebvre had done, reinstate all of those good priests and Bishop you have unjustly expelled, resign from your post, and do penance in a Monastery for the irreparable sins you have committed.

    What is your next move?  



     :shocked: What??? What?? What nonsense!!!






    Don't you know my plan???







    Your cartoon is a good one to pass around.  Thanks for the hot tip!  

    I went to Novusordowatch,org and couldn't find it posted there.  Why is that?  






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