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Offline Mr G

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Re: A Note from Fr. Chazal
« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2023, 08:47:33 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on September 27, 2023, 06:39:54 AM
    Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’ve not heard anything about Vigano performing any ordinations.
    I thought I remember reading that the Archbishop did a couple of ordinations for a former Indult community/group when they were denied a Traditional ordination. 
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    Offline SeanJohnson

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    Re: A Note from Fr. Chazal
    « Reply #16 on: September 27, 2023, 09:12:31 AM »
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    • Quote from: Mr G on September 27, 2023, 08:47:33 AM
    I thought I remember reading that the Archbishop did a couple of ordinations for a former Indult community/group when they were denied a Traditional ordination.

    I recall there was speculation that it was he who ordained Alcuin Ried and a couple in France, but wasn’t it then later discovered that it was a French bishop?  Not sure if I’m remembering that correctly.
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    Re: A Note from Fr. Chazal
    « Reply #17 on: September 28, 2023, 04:21:00 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on September 27, 2023, 09:12:31 AM
    I recall there was speculation that it was he who ordained Alcuin Ried and a couple in France, but wasn’t it then later discovered that it was a French bishop?  Not sure if I’m remembering that correctly.
    I'm not aware that the name nor the nationality of the bishop who ordained Alcuin Reid were ever released, though many speculated it was +Vigano.
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    Re: A Note from Fr. Chazal
    « Reply #18 on: September 28, 2023, 04:25:22 AM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on September 27, 2023, 05:55:44 AM
    Thanks Trento, but this doesn’t make sense either. How can 3 Filippino priests be four priests: “two from down under and two in Australia”?

    But it seems that it’s not Fr Sayed Elias but Fr Elias Guiao. That’s part of the puzzle solved.
    The 4 priests in the Philippines included Fr. Chazal. About Australia, maybe Father wrote too fast. :laugh1:
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    Re: A Note from Fr. Chazal
    « Reply #19 on: September 28, 2023, 05:42:30 AM »
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    • Quote from: trento on September 28, 2023, 04:21:00 AM
    I'm not aware that the name nor the nationality of the bishop who ordained Alcuin Reid were ever released, though many speculated it was +Vigano.
    Why is the name of the bishop that consecrated him secret?  How could anyone know whether he was truly ordained let alone whether it was the elusive Vigano who ordained him?

    The secrecy alone seems to be suspect.
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    Re: A Note from Fr. Chazal
    « Reply #20 on: September 28, 2023, 05:48:18 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on September 28, 2023, 05:42:30 AM
    Why is the name of the bishop that consecrated him secret?  How could anyone know whether he was truly ordained let alone whether it was the elusive Vigano who ordained him?

    The secrecy alone seems to be suspect.

    Sure, but that problem attaches to Reid, not Vigano.
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    Re: A Note from Fr. Chazal
    « Reply #21 on: September 28, 2023, 05:52:42 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on September 28, 2023, 05:48:18 AM
    Sure, but that problem attaches to Reid, not Vigano.
    Except posters are suggesting the consecrating bishop was Vigano.
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    Re: A Note from Fr. Chazal
    « Reply #22 on: September 28, 2023, 05:55:43 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on September 28, 2023, 05:52:42 AM
    Except posters are suggesting the consecrating bishop was Vigano.

    Supposing, for the sake of argument, it was.  So what?  Reid is not traditional, and is not circulating in trad circles.  His validity or invalidity is nor relevant.
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    Re: A Note from Fr. Chazal
    « Reply #23 on: September 28, 2023, 08:39:34 AM »
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    Supposing, for the sake of argument, it was.  So what? 
    +Vigano himself needs to be conditionally consecrated and maybe conditionally ordained (depending on the rite/year). 
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