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Offline SeanJohnson

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A Note from Fr. Chazal
« on: September 26, 2023, 05:49:02 AM »
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  • Dear Sean,

    Recently I was checking Cathinfo, and some of you seem to give more credit to pfeifferism that is to be given.

    Here in Asia, I have no word he made it to India, and in the Philippines, for all his efforts, he did not gain much traction, despite travelling sumptuously, expensively and noisily. He tried for instance to introduce himself to our new missions in Ipil, Zamboanga province, but only the followers of divine mercy gave him some credence, and for how long, I don t know. He tried in bohol, with limited results. Likewise, the results in Leyte are meagre. Anyways, he always jumps back into his plane and we don't hear of him until next year.


    More significantly, Fr Ndong is mentioning that one of the Nigerians whom he tried to ordained priest has approached Frs Chigbata and Onoora to join them, as he could not trust pfeifferic ordinations... this comes after the many Nigerians, who had received "pfeifferic confirmations" also had their serious doubts, and returned to their natural shepherds. Our Bishops will visit Africa next year, for the first time, to set all these matters right.


    There is good hope that the same pattern will repeat itself in Kenya, where Fr Pfeiffer also flew, and caused damage. The resistance is not yet implanted in Kenya, but that may be the occasion for us to start. Maybe that is why he is allowed to breathe, God is powerful enough to draw new ranks in our ragtag army from all the hype, oomph and hooplah of Fr Pfeiffer. The doling of cash, in particular, only goes so far.


    For the US, you tell me, because I have not been there in a long time. But in poor countries, I don't think he has any traction. Pfeifferism has also been completely wiped out from Australia, and I don t think there is much left either in Europe.


    In the meantime, by my broad and imperfect calculations, the Resistance, with all its faults and miseries, totals about 110, seven bishops included, most of them making no noise, but a lot of good. This is without counting the followers of Archbishop Vigano, with whom we agree, despite wishing him, and the people he ordained to be convalidated in that simple and easy process you know well.


    Lastly, Fr Elias has arrived in the Philippines, bringing us to four active priests here while there are two down under and two in Australia. India has three preseminarians, Australia is going to send its second seminarian. We probably have a Fijian vocation, and in the Philippines, there is another vocation of Brother, while we await more priestly vocations.


    You can pass on this information to all my friends on Cathinfo, whom I salute on this occasion. I'm not coming back to the States any time soon, but it takes an American to beat a kentuckian.


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    Re: A Note from Fr. Chazal
    « Reply #1 on: September 26, 2023, 07:28:43 AM »
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  • Here in Asia, I have no word he made it to India, and in the Philippines, for all his efforts, he did not gain much traction, despite travelling sumptuously, expensively and noisily

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    Re: A Note from Fr. Chazal
    « Reply #2 on: September 26, 2023, 07:30:29 AM »
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  • I'm not coming back to the States any time soon, but it takes an American to beat a kentuckian.

    It might take an exorcist to beat a practitioner of Santeria/voodoo.

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    Re: A Note from Fr. Chazal
    « Reply #3 on: September 26, 2023, 08:50:34 AM »
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    This is without counting the followers of Archbishop Vigano, with whom we agree, despite wishing him, and the people he ordained to be convalidated in that simple and easy process you know well.
    This is good news.  I hope +Vigano supports conditional ordinations.

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    Re: A Note from Fr. Chazal
    « Reply #4 on: September 26, 2023, 10:05:41 AM »
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  • So Archbishop Vigano IS ordaining (albeit under the NO) priests? Is that with permission of the Vatican or independent of it?


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    Re: A Note from Fr. Chazal
    « Reply #5 on: September 26, 2023, 06:54:25 PM »
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  • Thank you for sharing this, Sean!  I have a lot of respect for Father Chazal and enjoy hearing updates from him.:incense:
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    Re: A Note from Fr. Chazal
    « Reply #6 on: September 26, 2023, 08:52:50 PM »
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  • This is without counting the followers of Archbishop Vigano, with whom we agree, despite wishing him, and the people he ordained to be convalidated in that simple and easy process you know well.
    Why does Fr. Chazal think that Fr.(?) Viganò's orders are doubtful/invalid?
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    Re: A Note from Fr. Chazal
    « Reply #7 on: September 26, 2023, 10:07:50 PM »
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  • Why does Fr. Chazal think that Fr.(?) Viganò's orders are doubtful/invalid?
    Probably because he was consecrated in the doubtful new rite of episcopal consecration. He's certainly a valid priest, as he was ordained right before the rite was changed.


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    Re: A Note from Fr. Chazal
    « Reply #8 on: September 26, 2023, 10:39:34 PM »
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  • Probably because he was consecrated in the doubtful new rite of episcopal consecration. He's certainly a valid priest, as he was ordained right before the rite was changed.
    Yes I know. My question has to do more with the reason why Fr. Chazal in particular believes this. The SSPX believes that the NREC is valid in itself, that the only thing that may invalidate it is the intention of the celebrant while, in reality, there is another weightier and objective reason to consider it invalid/doubtful (defect of form). I want to know if Fr. Chazal subscribes to the first or the second opinion.


    EDIT: As per the validity of his ordination, it is not 100% clear to me. Wikipedia says that he was ordained in March 1968. The new rite of priestly ordination was promulgated in June of that same year, only 3 months after his ordination. I don't remember where I read that before its official promulgation, the rite was being used occasionally as an experiment at least in Rome, and probably in another parts of Italy, I can't remember 
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    Re: A Note from Fr. Chazal
    « Reply #9 on: September 26, 2023, 11:30:10 PM »
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  • Fr Chazal says:


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    Lastly, Fr Elias has arrived in the Philippines, bringing us to four active priests here while there are two down under and two in Australia.

    Is this Fr Sayed Elias, and who are the four active priests. Are they ex SSPX?

    Two down under and two in Australia? This doesn't make sense as "down under" = Australia & NZ. I know of Fr MacD but I thought he was the only resistance priest here. Who are the others.
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    Re: A Note from Fr. Chazal
    « Reply #10 on: September 27, 2023, 12:19:44 AM »
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  • Fr Chazal says:


    Is this Fr Sayed Elias, and who are the four active priests. Are they ex SSPX?

    Two down under and two in Australia? This doesn't make sense as "down under" = Australia & NZ. I know of Fr MacD but I thought he was the only resistance priest here. Who are the others.
    Three priests are associated with Fr. Chazal in the Philippines:

    Fr. June Mark Ligan (Filipino)
    Fr. John (Marlowe Domdom) (Filipino)
    Fr. Elias Guiao (Filipino)

    If not mistaken, all 3 of them were ordained by Dom Thomas Aquinas in Brazil. In Australia and NZ the only known active one is Fr. Macdonald. I think he included a Maronite priest that was conditionally ordained by Bishop Williamson but not actively known to be still with the Resistance. Or Fr. Chazal could have inadvertently included Fr. Suneel Pio who was in Australia for a long time but is back in his home country India.


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    Re: A Note from Fr. Chazal
    « Reply #11 on: September 27, 2023, 05:55:44 AM »
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  • Thanks Trento, but this doesn’t make sense either. How can 3 Filippino priests be four priests: “two from down under and two in Australia”?

    But it seems that it’s not Fr Sayed Elias but Fr Elias Guiao. That’s part of the puzzle solved.
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    Re: A Note from Fr. Chazal
    « Reply #12 on: September 27, 2023, 05:58:50 AM »
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  • So Archbishop Vigano IS ordaining (albeit under the NO) priests? Is that with permission of the Vatican or independent of it?
    Good question.

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    Re: A Note from Fr. Chazal
    « Reply #13 on: September 27, 2023, 06:39:54 AM »
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  • Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’ve not heard anything about Vigano performing any ordinations.
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    Re: A Note from Fr. Chazal
    « Reply #14 on: September 27, 2023, 08:34:19 AM »
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  • Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’ve not heard anything about Vigano performing any ordinations.
    After re-reading Fr. Chazal's comments, it could be that he was referring to any priests he has ordained.  He could be referring to priests before Vigano went into hiding.  Did Vigano ordain priests at that time?