Expectedly, practicing Catholics must be "re-educated" (brainwashed) in the Judaized "hermeneutics of continuity."

...“Anti-Judaism or anti-Semitism form no part of the official position of the SSPX. Clearly, if they manifest themselves in any Catholic Church, anywhere, this must be addressed.

And tell me,

What about denial of the divinity of Christ:
Must that be addressed?

What about blasphemies against the Real Presence in the Eucharist:
Must that be addressed?

What about how Vatican II is a "counter Syllabus" according to erstwhile Cardinal Ratzinger:
Must that be addressed?

What about Bishop Todd Brown telling his diocese that kneeling after receiving Holy Communion is a "mortal sin":
Must that be addressed?

What about rampant rejection of the doctrine of the perpetual virginity of the Blessed Virgin Mary:
Must that be addressed?

Why the sudden and myopic focus on anti-Semitism, which is not, nor could it ever be, a dogma of the Church?

Why must that be addressed -- is it more important to you?

They were wrong a  thousand years ago and they are still wrong today.

They were wrong a thousand years ago, were they?

Were they wrong two thousand years ago, too?

Was Saint Paul, whose Feast Day we just celebrated and whose Octave we are still
in, according to the traditional calendar -- was St. Paul wrong too?

Do you, Archbishop DiNoia, presume to condemn the infallible teachings of the blessed Apostle of Our Lord, himself?

I shudder to think of DiNoia's ultimate meeting with St. Paul, in eternity.


 

If I discover such manifestations in the SSPX I will address them as being incompatible with Catholicism. After 3 years of dialogue we still need to understand what the SSPX position is on the Jєωιѕн Community and Judaism.

It certainly sounds to me like DiNoia knows who his commanding officers
are, and they have utterly nothing to do with the Catholic Church, except
to control it from the outside.

After 3 years of dialogue (in which he had a contributing role??) according to the
informed priests of the SSPX, the Vatican pretends to have heard nothing of
tradition that the SSPX was so diligent in bringing up. At least the feelings are
mutual! Both sides see the other as having not heard the other. Is that what
made it "dialogue?"

“The Church’s deep commitment to reconciliation with the Jєωιѕн People is personified today by Benedict XVI. The Ecuмenical Council wrought a fundamental change.

"The Ecuмenical Council: There was only one of them, you see.
Forget the previous 20 of them, you see.

This purported "fundamental change" was a bit closer to a "substantial change,"
in other words, DEATH, but that goes a long way to explaining why these
Modernists don't like the word "substantial!"

What is it going to take to remember that it is a SIN for Churchmen to reject the
traditions that have been handed down to us from the Apostles? -- that this is their
foremost duty when they hold an office, and if they fail in that one thing they are
liable to the most severe judgment of God almighty?

What's wrong with this picture????

Does the word "apostasy" mean ANYTHING to these imposters?

I'm really glad that I know how Jєωιѕн leaders wrote the preliminary text of
Nostra Aetatae, and made a "deal" with Vatican II liberals to use it in "THE
Council." It makes a big difference when you already know the truth of history,
and then you don't get swindled by hucksters.

Then John Paul II, above all others, brought home Paul’s message that Judaism and Jєωs have a unique place in salvation history.

Gee, are we still stuck on misinterpreting St. Paul?
Have we forgotten what St. Peter had to say, already?

II Pet. iii. 15 And account the longsuffering of Our Lord, salvation; as also our
most dear brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, hath written to you:

16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are things
hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also
the other scriptures, to their own destruction.

And an assassin has a unique place in history. Does that make the assassin
somehow venerable? Should we revere the memory of John Wilkes Booth?
Should we swoon and awe at the mention of Lee Harvey Oswald? Or, while
we're at it, take one who's still alive: Charles Manson. He has a unique place
in salvation history, too.

Nobody can deny that Karol Wojtyla’s Pontificate marked a major shift in the theological understanding of Judaism within the Catholic Church. Vatican II repudiated anti-Semitism and presented a positive picture of Judaism. John Paul II took us further in recognizing the significance of the Jєωιѕн People for Christianity itself. This is a new concept which we know the Traditionalists will not be able to accept immediately. Convincing them will take time, and in this respect we will have to be patient."

How long do they think it will take to "convince" the Blessed Trinity?


They just might find themselves waiting in eternity, without hope!

We didn't need to even get past the first paragraph my friends:

Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora

...he [the pope] wants reconciliation with the Lefebvrian traditionalists for the sake of Church Unity.

Bishop Fellay: "Yes, yes your Holiness, bring us into your false ecuмenical fold..."

I made no comment on the article, I simply posted it because I find incredible that Archbishop Di Noia is presented as pro-SSPX conservative.

Archbishop Di Noia says:
“My job will be a challenge. I am moved by the flurry of encouraging messages I have received from Vatican, Catholic, and Jєωιѕн circles internationally”. And...


“One cannot state, as they do, that the Ecuмenical Council was ‘full of errors’  because this means denying that the Holy Spirit preserves the Church from errors.  They must realize that the full communion they are striving for means accepting the truth that the Church cannot be led into error. Through the Holy Father, we hear the voice of Peter, and we know that Peter has spoken to unite the Church. They believe the Council watered down the Church’s mission to non-Catholics. But this is not true. Vatican II docuмents do not deny the necessity for evangelization.”
_______

He obviously doesn't understand Infallibility, the Magisterium, Modernism, etc., having signed the 1989"profession of faith", the only thing he understand is "submission of mind and will to the authentic magisterium"...to accomplish the wish of "the authentic magisterium" to crash any organized resistance to the new world church, new "evangelization", "reform of the reform"... by bringing Bishop Fellay and those who follow him into Rome, to the detriment of their soul and to be used by Rome against his own, just as the Duke of Norfolk was used against St. Thomas More.

Had +Fellay signed the agreement on June 13, this appointments on June 30th would have been a big surprise!(?) I hope he has seen the light, step down and let the other bishops confront Rome with Truth (Dogmas) and force the pope to make infallible declarations...

 

 

 He was a Founding Director of “The Intercultural Forum” of the John Paul II Cultural Center in Washington D.C. and in 1994 signed the historic ecuмenical

 


 

Hey I'm pretty sure that place bombed out..it was a failure.  We drive past it sometimes.  It's either vacant or only rented out for conferences.  I think it was going to be sold?  Or they were trying to figure out what to do with it.

Then there's the Yale thing, the problem of studying there while keeping the Faith.

Quote from: Elizabeth

Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora

 

 

 He was a Founding Director of “The Intercultural Forum” of the John Paul II Cultural Center in Washington D.C. and in 1994 signed the historic ecuмenical

 


 

Hey I'm pretty sure that place bombed out..it was a failure.  We drive past it sometimes.  It's either vacant or only rented out for conferences.  I think it was going to be sold?  Or they were trying to figure out what to do with it.

Then there's the Yale thing, the problem of studying there while keeping the Faith.

Sorry to quote myself but the edit timed out..
I remember it was vacant-looking, so I discovered the JP2 Cultural Center was sold to the Knights of Columbus eventually.  It has that weird architecture similar to the Padre Pio abomination.

That weird architecture is what you get when a Freemasonic design, which is  
essentially Zionist in style, tries to look like it isn't Freemason inspired.

It must be an embarrassment that the JP2 Cultural Center was such a failure.

But we are wise to take note of the fact, because it's revealing in itself.

DiNoia:
“One cannot state, as they do, that the Ecuмenical Council was ‘full of errors’  because this means denying that the Holy Spirit preserves the Church from errors.  They must realize that the full communion they are striving for means accepting the truth that the Church cannot be led into error. Through the Holy Father, we hear the voice of Peter, and we know that Peter has spoken to unite the Church. They believe the Council watered down the Church’s mission to non-Catholics. But this is not true. Vatican II docuмents do not deny the necessity for evangelization.”



Okay so instead we'll state that the Ecuмenical Council was 'full of heretics'...how's that....better?

This is really a very shocking interview...so shocking, I haven't been able to fully digest it yet...honestly, the Catholic Church has lost the faith and become the seat of the Antichrist.

DiNoia doesn't realize but he just made the sedevacantist argument.

Just in from Catholic Family News...

Source:



Archbishop Di Noia Admits:

The Goal is to Convert SSPX to Conciliar Thinking[/size]

“This is a new concept which we know the Traditionalists will not be able to accept immediately.
Convincing them will take time, and in this respect we will have to be patient.”
– Archbishop Joseph Augustine Di Noia,
   newly-appointed Vice-Prefect of the Vatican’s Ecclesia Dei



By John Vennari

 In 1946, Father Garrigou-Lagrange warned in his landmark article against the modernist New Theology, “Those who have attempted to attend the classes of the masters of modernist thought in order to convert them have allowed themselves to be converted by them.”

It is clear the same ruse is being applied to the Society of St. Pius X.

 Vatican Insider posted a July 2 interview with Joseph Augustine Di Noia, newly-appointed Vice-Prefect of the Vatican’s Ecclesia Dei.

 Though the interview deserves a much fuller treatment, we will spotlight for now Archbishop Di Noia’s remarkable comments about the Society of St. Pius X and modern Judaism. He says, “After three years of dialogue [the doctrinal discussions] we still need to understand what the SSPX position is on the Jєωιѕн Community and Judaism. ”

 After three years the Vatican still does not understand what is the SSPX’s position on these points? This should be no great mystery.

The SSPX position is nothing more than the traditional teaching of the Catholic Church throughout the ages, that all non-Catholics, Jєωs included, must convert to the Catholic Church for salvation. There is no salvation outside the Church.

 The SSPX position is what the Church has always taught: the Old Covenant is superseded and made obsolete by the New. Those who are still members of non-Catholic societies, such as Judaism or Protestantism, can only be saved by leaving their false false positions and joining the one true Church that Christ established.

This should not be a difficult concept for a Catholic.

 The position of the Society of St. Pius can also be summarized in Pius XI’s loving prayer for the conversion of the Jєωs contained in the Consecration of the Human Race to the Sacred Heart of Jesus, which Pius wished to be recited in every Catholic Church on the Feast of Christ the King: “Turn Thine eyes of mercy towards the children of that race, once Thy chosen people: of old they called down upon themselves the Blood of the Savior; may It now descend upon them, a laver of redemption and of life.”

 Archbishop Di Noia then grants us a great favor He openly admits something we have long surmised: that the purpose of the Vatican’s discussions with the SSPX, and its work for so-called “regularization,” is to convert the SSPX to Conciliar thinking.

 Here is the key section of the interview. Archbishop Di Noia says:

“The Church’s deep commitment to reconciliation with the Jєωιѕн People is personified today by Benedict XVI. The Ecuмenical Council wrought a fundamental change. Then John Paul II, above all others, brought home Paul’s message that Judaism and Jєωs have a unique place in salvation history. Nobody can deny that Karol Wojtyla’s Pontificate marked a major shift in the theological understanding of Judaism within the Catholic Church.”

 First of all, it is not accurate to invoke Saint Paul in this new enterprise, for it is Saint Paul who declares explicitly that Our Lord’s New Covenant “has made obsolete the former one,” that is, made obsolete the old Judaic Covenant. (Heb. 8:13) No Pope has the authority to reject this Scriptural truth, as the Word of God is infallible, and the Church has always interpreted this verse accordintly. The new approach mentioned by Archbishop Di Noia is a case of twisting the words of Saint Paul to fit the new ecuмenical orientation. This is a old tactic of ecuмenists, but too much to detail at the moment.

 Most important, however, are the terms “fundamental change” and “major shift”. Di Noia admits that Vatican II’s approach, and the subsequent orientation of Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI are a change, a shift. We are not receiving the Catholic Faith from them “in the same meaning and in the same explanation” as is commanded by Vatican I and the Oath Against Modernism, but a major shift, a change.

Once again, we see proof that Vatican II is a rupture with the past, which cannot realistically be accepted by means of a “hermeneutic of continuity.” Here, there is no continuity.

 Archbishop di Noia then delivers the payload:

 “Vatican II repudiated anti-Semitism and presented a positive picture of Judaism. John Paul II took us further in recognizing the significance of the Jєωιѕн People for Christianity itself. This is a new concept which we know the Traditionalists will not be able to accept immediately. Convincing them will take time, and in this respect we will have to be patient.”

 There you have it. Traditional Catholics are expected to effectively abandon the perennial truths of the Catholic Faith regarding the absolute necessity for non-Catholics – Jєωs included – to leave their religious affiliations and convert to Christ’s one true Church. Again, we see no “hermeneutic of continuity” here, but a “new concept” This is neo-Modernisn in action, something no Catholic is bound to accept. In fact, our first duty is to resist.

 And yes, they will embark on a program of “convincing us” of these modernist tenets, and are content to take the long period of time such convincing will require.

How much more explicit need he be?

Today’s Vatican would prefer we effectively discard the infallible decree of the Council of Florence which teaches infallibly:

“The Most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jєωs, heretics, and schismatics can ever be partakers of eternal life, but that they are to go into the eternal fire ‘which was prepared for the devil and his angels,’ (Mt. 25:41) unless before death they are joined with her; and that so important is the unity of this Ecclesiastical Body, that only those remaining within this unity can profit from the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and that they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, almsdeeds, and other works of Christian piety and duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved unless they abide within the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”

 Today’s Church leaders, in the name of Vatican II novelties, would prefer we no longer quote Our Lord Himself who said to the Jєωs of his day, “If you do not believe that I am He [the Messiah], you will die in your sins.” (John 8:24); or that we quote His words to the Jєωs, “You search the Scripture because in them you think you have life everlasting. And it is they that bear witness to Me, yet you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.” (John 5:39-40).

 Today’s post-Concliar Vatican is no doubt embarrassed by Saint John who, faithful to Our Lord’s teaching, says likewise, “Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ. He is Antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.” (1 John 2: 22)

 For what is Pope John Paul’s major contribution to Jєωιѕн Catholic relations, but the promotion of the new belief that Jєωs have their own unique Covenant with God and need not convert to the Catholic Church for salvation.

 Sergio Itzhak Minerbi, Israel’s former Ambassador to the Ivory Coast, Belgium, praised John Paul’s new approach to Judaism: “For centuries, the Church has claimed to be the ‘true Israel’, thus substituting the Jєωιѕн religion. It is therefore important that, in a meeting with the Jєωιѕн community in Mainz on 17 November 1980, the Pope announced his respect for ‘the people of God, of the Old Covenant, which has never been revoked by God’.”

 Likewise Abraham Foxman from the Jєωιѕн Anti-Defamation League, no friend of the Catholic Church, celebrated Pope John Paul II as the man who “rejected the destructive concept of supersessionism,” that is, rejected the Catholic truth that the New Covenant of Jesus Christ superseded and made obsolete the Old Judaic Covenant.

 And what is Pope Benedict’s novel approach to the Jєωιѕн people, but the claim that Jєωs and Catholics worship the same God, and that Jєωs and Catholics have a “common mission” to be a witness to God in the world, with no mention of the need for the Jєωs to convert.

 At the Rome ѕуηαgσgυє in 2010, Pope Benedict said, “Christians and Jєωs share to a great extent a common spiritual patrimony, they pray to the same Lord, they have the same roots, and yet they often remain unknown to each other. It is our duty, in response to God’s call, to strive to keep open the space for dialogue, for reciprocal respect, for growth in friendship, for a common witness in the face of the challenges of our time, which invite us to cooperate for the good of humanity in this world created by God, the Omnipotent and Merciful.”

Yet we know that Jєωs and Christians do not worship the same God. Jєωs, alas, reject Jesus Christ as Lord and Messiah. It is Saint John, the Apostle of Love, who writes: “He who honereth not the Son, honerteh not the Father, who hath sent Him” (John 5:23).

 Finally, the new approach to be a “common witness” to God along with Jєωs implicitly demands we no longer speak of the need for their conversion to Christ’s one true Church for salvation. It effectively tells Jєωs they have the moral freedom to live their lives as if Jesus Christ were a fraud and imposter.

 Yet it is this new approach that Archbishop Di Noia openly admits that traditional Catholics are expected to accept. Clearly, traditional Catholics will be ‘worked on’ to be persuaded of this new orientation.

We thank Archbishop Di Noia for saying openly what many of us have long surmised: The Vatican’s goal in Rome/SSPX dialogue is to convert traditional Catholics to Conciliar thinking.

 We repeat again Archbishop Di Noia’s key phrase: “This is a new concept which we know the Traditionalists will not be able to accept immediately. Convincing them will take time, and in this respect we will have to be patient.”

 To be forewarned is to be forearmed.