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A “doctrinal agreement” – Two possible meanings.

In a recent interview, Archbishop Guido Pozzo declared that “reconciliation will happen when Bishop Fellay formally adheres to the doctrinal declaration which the Holy See has presented to him. It is also the necessary condition for proceeding to institutional regularization, with the creation of a Personal Prelature”. And in a press-conference given in the airplane during the return journey from his recent pilgrimage to Fatima (May 12-13), Pope Francis alluded to this docuмent, finalized by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith at its last sitting on Wednesday May 10. From Rome’s point-of-view, therefore, it would appear to be a question of a doctrinal agreement. The expression [“doctrinal agreement”] is, however, ambiguous and can be understood in two ways.
In the first possible meaning of this expression, the goal pursued would be for Tradition to recover all of its rights in Rome, and, consequently, for the Holy See to carry out a serious correction of the doctrinal errors which are at the source of the unprecedented crisis which still rages in the Church. This correction is the goal which is sought after, goal in itself and final cause, principle of all subsequent action in the context of relations with Rome. This goal is none other than the common good of the entire Church. In this sense, “doctrinal agreement” means that Rome must agree, not with the Society of Saint Pius X, but with the doctrine of all time, and return from its errors.

In a second sense, “doctrinal agreement” could refer to the case of Rome agreeing with the Society of Saint Pius X in view of a canonical recognition. This recognition would be the goal in itself, principle of all subsequent action. This goal would be none other than the apparent particular good of a society such as the Society of Saint Pius X. The formulation of a common doctrinal position which would be sufficiently acceptable to both parties would only be the means for obtaining this goal. And it would suffice for this means to be proportionate to the goal - in other words, it would not be necessary for Rome to correct all the errors of the Council; it would be enough for Rome not to impose the profession of these errors. In this sense, “doctrinal agreement” means that the Society agrees with Rome on a certain number of doctrinal affirmations which are exempt from error.

Rome evidently understands “doctrinal agreement” in the second sense.

It is to be feared - indeed it is even evident - that Rome understands “doctrinal agreement” in the second sense, and envisages, at best, a regime of tolerance with regard to the Society, but in no way foresees a correction of the errors of the Council. Up until now, Archbishop Lefebvre's successors made a point of envisaging things from the perspective of the first meaning. Therefore, it is clear that such a “basis of agreement” will always be insufficient so long as Rome has not inserted a correction of the Council's errors.

In effect, the adage holds true here : “ bonum ex integra causa, malum ex quocuмque defectu”[1]. The adage must, of course, be understood in the moral sense, and in relation to human acts. If we take Vatican II as a collection of texts, of course we can always separate truth, ambiguity and error, and we can take each passage concerned in isolation. This separation can take place in the context of a dialogue between experts or a commission of revision. However, the Church's practice is not to consider texts as such, but rather from a moral perspective, that is to say, insofar as they are as a whole the object of adhesion on the part of the Church and Its faithful (therefore of a human act considered morally) and risk causing them scandal because of their errors or ambiguities. From this point of view, it is not enough to sign a text which only expresses part of the truth ; it is necessary for Rome to profess the entirety of the whole truth and, ipso facto, condemn the errors which completely vitiate all those partial truths which can be found in the Conciliar and Post-Conciliar magisterium.

[At this point in the original French article, Father Gleize interrupts his reasoning and carries out a long and detailed analysis of the main litigious points of Vatican II – religious liberty, collegiality, ecuмenism – as well as the Conciliar and Post-Conciliar magisterium, the Novus Ordo Missae and the New Code of Canon Law. He then resumes:]

As we have already explained, our goal is for Tradition to recover all of its rights in Rome. This goal is first in our intention and will be (as always) last in execution[2]. What does “last ” mean ? Does it mean that the end of the crisis in the Church will take place at the very end (and therefore after an agreement of the Society with Rome)? Or does it mean that the end of the crisis will coincide with this agreement ?

Accepting a canonical recognition – a morally indifferent act...with a double effect.

Our accepting a canonical recognition in the current circuмstances corresponds to a morally indifferent act, but which has a double effect – a good essential effect and a bad accidental one. The good effect is to place ourselves in juridical normality in relation to Rome (and even, for some, to [possibly] benefit from an expanded field of apostolate, which remains to be proven). The bad effect is itself double : firstly, the risk of relatavizing Tradition, which would thenceforward only appear as the particular good and the personal theological preference of the Society of Saint Pius X ; secondly the risk of betraying and abandoning this particular good because of the ambient favens haeresim which caracterizes the Conciliar Church per se.

The solution depends first of all on the proportion to be established between the good effect and the bad effect. It is clear that in the intention of our Founder [i.e. Archbishop Lefebvre], it is more important to avoid the bad double effect than to obtain the good effect. The good effect [juridical normality] is here less good than the better good [public profession of the Faith] which the worse double effect [risk of relativization and abandoning of Tradition] opposes. The public profession of the Faith is more important than canonical normality. “ What interests us first of all is to maintain the Catholic Faith. That is our combat. So the canonical question, which is purely exterior and public in the Church, is secondary. What is important is to remain in the Church... in the Church, that is to say in the Catholic Faith of all time and in the true priesthood, and in the true Mass, and in the true sacraments, in the Catechism of all time, with the Bible of all time. That is what interests us. That is what the Church is. To be recognized publicly, that is secondary. So, we mustn't seek secondary things by losing what is fundamental, what is the primary object of our combat [3]”.

Next, the solution depends on the evaluation of the circuмstances. Are they such that one can reasonably hope to avoid the bad double effect, that is to say the double risk? Because it is only a risk, no more, no less. The question can be summed up by asking if it is prudent to place oneself under the authority of the members of the Hierarchy of the Church such as they are in the present situation, that is to say (for the most part) still imbued with false principles which are contrary to the Catholic Faith. Some exceptions could undoubtedly be identified; but they prove absolutely nothing against the the general mindset which, taken as a whole, is only too evident. We are here obliged to apply the rule according to which things are designated by their dominant element, and to conclude that the members of the Hierarchy of the Church are currently Modernists. Having said that, two things will help us answer our question: firstly, our own experience, since we have been able to observe that (up to now) none of those who have accepted a canonical recognition from Rome have really been able to avoid the bad double effect; secondly, the experience of our Founder: “You do not enter into a structure, and under superiors, saying that you are going to shake everything up once you are on the inside, whereas they have everything in hand to stamp us out ! They have all the authority[4]”.

Pope Francis and Archbishop Pozzo: unity in diversity.

In the airborne press conference of May 13, the Pope told Nicolas Senèze of the French newspaper La Croix that he wanted to take his time: “A me non piace affrettare le cose. Camminare, camminare, camminare, e poi si vedrà.”  Francis does not want to rush things; for the moment, we must walk and walk again along the path... We must, he said, “walk together in search of the formula which will allow us to go forward”. This sheds an interesting light on the issue which we evoked at the beginning of our reflection: in the Pope's mind, doctrinal formulation is only a means. Doctrine, with the unity of Faith which it guarantees, is not the goal of the procedure. The goal would rather seem to be to go forward together towards full communion in a ceaseless dialogue, a dialogue which should (moreover) continue even after a canonical structure has been granted. And full communion (Archbishop Pozzo tells us in the already quoted interview) is mutual enrichment, beyond doctrinal divergences: “The different points-of-view or opinions which we have on certain questions should not necessarily lead to division, but to a mutual enrichment”. So, would that mean the cohabitation of truth and error in exchange for the price of a common declaration?

Unfortunately, these different points-of-view do not concern merely equally possible opinions. The questions to which they correspond are not “open”  questions about which each and everyone may maintain freedom of thought. These questions have been for the most part definitively resolved by the Magisterium of the Church, well before Vatican II. The religious liberty of Dignitatis Humanae and the positive secularism of Gaudium et Spes are condemned by Quanta Cura of Pius IX. The new ecuмenical ecclesiology of Lumen Gentium is condemned by Pius XII in Mystici Corporis and Humani Generis because of the absolutely false principle which would like to establish a real distinction between the Church of Christ and the Catholic Church. The ecuмenism of Unitatis Redintegratio is condemned by Pius XI in Mortalium Animos. The collegiality of Lumen Gentium, in that it denies the unicity of the subject of the Primacy, falls under the condemnation of Vatican I.

However-much things change, they always stay the same.

In definitive, this “formula which would allow us to go forward” brings us back once more more to the founding text of the Pontifical Ecclesia Dei Commission, the Motu Proprio of July 2, 1988: in it, John-Paul II affirms that Tradition is living. Benedict XVI's 2005 discourse is its echo and direct interpreter: this life of Tradition is “renewal in continuity”: an evolutionist and Modernist renewal, which means to overcome contradiction via an impossible hermeneutic.

What should our conclusion be? We would simply say that the “Society of Saint Pius X does not have to negotiate a charitable recognition which would save it from a supposed schism. It has the immense honor, after forty years of exclusion, to be able to witness in favor of the Catholic Faith in the Vatican [5]”  ...while we wait for Rome to finally decide to expel the perfidious Conciliar errors from the midst of the faithful [6].
 NOTES:
[1] Scholastic axiom, which The Catholic Encyclopedia translates as in its article on “Good”: “An action is good when good in every respect; it is wrong when wrong in any respect” (Translator's note).
[2] Saint Thomas Aquinas says in Summa Theologica, Ia IIae, Question 1, Article 1, Ad primum that “although the end be the last in the order of execution, yet it is the first in the order of the agent's intention” (Translator's note).
[3] Archbishop Lefebvre, spiritual conference to seminarians, Écône, Switzerland, December 21, 1984.
[4] Ibid.
[5] Father Gleize is here quoting from René Berthod, Swiss Catholic layman, who died in April 2017 (Translator's note).
[6] Father Gleize is here paraphrasing the sixth verse of the Hymn for Vespers of All Saints, Placare, Christe, servulis.., which begins: “The race perfidious expel from regions where the faithful dwell...” (Translator's note).
 

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Thank you Mr. "G",

What is your take on the conclusion on the SSPX priest, Father Jean-Michel Gleize's analysis ?


Is he for or against the SSPX Prelature deal ?    

It seems this letter may have been written as an "intellectual smokescreen", as Bp. Fellay approaches sign-off and announcement of the deal?

Some of the traditional +ABL arguments were brought-up, but I don't see where Father Gleize was actually against the sell-out?

If he was, I would expect him to be on a cheap flight to Mindanao by now?

BTW, since 20012, anything Michael Matt publishes in the Remnant on traditional orders is propaganda, for the benefit of the SSPX.

I think he is against a deal "at this time". It seems there must be something going on behind the scene, but what is it? Fear that too many people or priests will leave, that the actual deal they were presented with was not as good as they thought back in Aug. 2016 (See New Zealand conference of Bishop Fellay), that Rome wants all of the SSPX (French Deans' public display shows that Rome will not get everyone), or something else?
It could also be meant to calm the French faithful and keep the French priests satisfied. Or it could be that the SSPX did not like the deal after all, and now they need to explain why they will be rejecting it after all this time of finding reasons to accept it.
Either way, they got themselves in a real mess. It would be better for them to be honest with their real motives and not try to convince everyone that the deal is for our (laity's) benefit. Enough of "reading between the lines"! If you (Fr. Pfluger, Schmitberger, Bishop Fellay, etc.) want in, then go as your own group but do not force everyone else to go with you.

The only thing that we are witnessing which is extraordinary, is that there are still people who believe there was, is, or could be a deal coming....and furthermore, it is extraordinary that anyone believes that a true intention has ever actually existed on the part of SSPX, to strike a deal with Rome then, now, or in the future.

The article is very clear. +Fellay is laying the ground for tabling his Vatican deal.  The arguments offered are nothing more than what hundreds if not thousands of faithful Catholics have been telling +Fellay for years.  There is an old Spanish saying that the dummy does last what the intelligent man does in the beginning.  The whole thing is so shameless.  If +Fellay and Fr. Jean-Michel Gleize, had any character they would publically admit they and their policies have failed and resign their positions.  This tripe is offered without a word of apology for the damage done to the SSPX, to its supporters and all traditional Catholics who they have disgraced by their equivocations and failure to defend Catholic dogma when given the opportunity to do so.  

https://akacatholic.com/breaking-did-sspx-france-issue-non-serviam-to-bishop-fellay/
From Louis Vericchio

An English translation of an article written by Fr. Jean-Michel Gleize, SSPX, has been published online by the Remnant under the title:
A MAJOR SSPX CLARIFICATION: Towards a Doctrinal Agreement?
The article originally appeared in the French publication, Courrier de Rome, and was subsequently published on the official website of the SPPX in the District of France.
In the article, Fr Gleize raises a number of points that are worthy of our attention. In this post, however, we will take a closer look at what I consider to be the most pressing matter:
Having read the article in full, I am not at all convinced that the essay truly represents a “major clarification” on the part of the SSPX itself; i.e., the official position of the Society.
As we will see momentarily, there is good reason to suspect that it is more akin to an editorial that simply reflects the opinion of the writer and his publishers.
I have requested confirmation one way or the other from my contacts at the SSPX District House here in the U.S. and will inform readers as soon as I receive a response.
Cutting right to the chase, Fr. Gleize concludes that “Rome must agree, not with the Society of Saint Pius X, but with the doctrine of all time, and return from its errors” as a prerequisite for entering into any agreement ordered toward canonical recognition.
Is this opinion shared by Bishop Fellay?
I have no real reason to believe that it is; in fact, Fr. Gleize seems to acknowledge that it is not when he writes:
“Up until now, Archbishop Lefebvre’s successors made a point of envisaging things from the perspective of [the return of Rome to tradition as a prerequisite for regularization].”
Up until now…
NB: In other words, the current Superior does not see things in this way.
With this in mind, Fr. Gleize stated that an agreement that simply amounts to a “formulation of a common doctrinal position which would be sufficiently acceptable to both parties,” with the solitary goal of establishing canonical recognition, “will always be insufficient so long as Rome has not inserted a correction of the Council’s errors.”
Fr. Gleize went on to state:
“From this point of view, it is not enough to sign a text which only expresses part of the truth; it is necessary for Rome to profess the entirety of the whole truth and, ipso facto, condemn the errors which completely vitiate all those partial truths which can be found in the Conciliar and Post-Conciliar magisterium.”
My friends, unless I am missing something (and I very well may be), this looks an awful lot like a non serviam  declaration, or at the very least, a warning shot, directed, and rather boldly so, at Bishop Fellay himself – not just from Fr. Gleize, but from the leaders of the SSPX District of France who decided to publish the text on its official website!
Bear in mind that we are discussing an English translation of the French original, and it is possible that something has been lost in the process.
Again, I await confirmation one way or another from my sources here in the U.S. as to the nature of the article, and until that comes, we can only discern what we are reading as best we are able.
As things stand at this very moment, I would have to say that all indications are that we are witnessing something truly extraordinary.
Stay tuned.

Watch closely and we can see the Neo-SSPX rats scrambling overboard.  May they find their safe harbour in the Resistance, lest they have to wander the outer darkness forevermore.  Trump has smashed the Neo-Liberal ex-regime to smithereens and therefore the pathologically pro-German French Socialist President Macron is channeling the former French Socialist Prime Minister Pierre Laval of Vichy fame and, as the French say, the more things change the more they remain the same.  Fortress Europe complements America First and, in the grand scheme of things, the prospects for Catholic Tradition are looking up.  Especially when we remember that history is made entirely by the elites and the prevailing democratic propaganda is rubbish.

The Roman Catholics are the only genuine elite left standing and the Judaic-inspired competitors are nowhere to be seen, at least not in any serious way. Poor Israhell has her own Islamic tidal waves to deal with and Papa Bergoglio is the deposed Obama's creature, not at all a good thing to be going forward.  The Great Apostasy is actually in full panic mode and the SSPX French District sees the clear writing on the wall.

"This is the day which the Lord hath made.  Let us rejoice and be glad in it."  (Psalm 118:24)

Too little , TOO  LATE!

Bernadette,
Are you posting from a cloister  

No, not at all...how about you are you not tired of the SSPX/Rome theatrics Incredulous?
Sorry for double post