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« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2013, 08:20:59 PM »
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  • I had never heard of the leuchter report. Thanks, Herr Fplugger for bringing it to my actung.




                    http://www.ihr.org/books/leuchter/leuchter.toc.html

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    « Reply #16 on: April 11, 2013, 08:24:08 PM »
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    the worst is yet to come.  Stay tuned.


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    « Reply #17 on: April 11, 2013, 09:04:53 PM »
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    the worst is yet to come.  Stay tuned.


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    Shocking... why they will become known as the "Phlugy Files".

    Holly can syndicate letter segments to the international press.

    While trads everywhere are eager to read them, the big fish (Remnant & CFN) won't subscribe, because it will hurt their SSPX advertising business.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #18 on: April 11, 2013, 09:42:28 PM »
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  • Non Habemus Papam

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    « Reply #19 on: April 12, 2013, 12:48:08 AM »
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  • Yes, it does show unbridled contempt and disrespect for the views of Bishop Williamson.

    Does Bishop Williamson demand we assent to his personal views?

    Is he wrong to warn us of God's Wrath, the seeming imminence of some terrible crisis or chastisement, given the awful state of the world today?

    Were the saints "scapegoating" the Jews when they spoke of the Jєωιѕн role in the coming of the Antichrist?

    Someone with the Antichrist associates that this priest has should show a little bit of respect and decency.

    Of course, that's far much to ask from cult bullies.  


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    « Reply #20 on: April 12, 2013, 02:42:03 AM »
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  • I wonder if someone from NewChurch or Menzingen told Pfluger, "Hey, if you send such an inflammatory letter to provoke Bishop Williamson, then there just might be an episcopal consecration in your future, that is, if SSPX and Rome can make a deal  :wink: "

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    « Reply #21 on: April 12, 2013, 03:07:28 AM »
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  • Quote from: hollingsworth
    I have secured permission to publish a private letter from Fr. Nickolas Phluger, 1st Asst. to Superior General Bernard Fellay,  to Bishop Richard Williamson.  The letter is almost two and one half years old, and was, of course, sent to His Excellency before the latter was expelled from the Society.  The letter was originally written in French.

    Thanks Hollingsworth for posting this one.

    Two minor corrections, though:

    1) the letter was originally written in German, which unfortunately is the native language of the Swiss-German Fr Pfluger.  This German letter is dated 27 December 2010. The translation is dated 1 January 2011.
    And the Judaizer Max Krah helped in writing the letter. Firstly, the original letter's word-docuмent has as creator "MK28" which is the Internet pseudonym of Max Krah (plus his age number when he started posting). Secondly, those knowing Krah's public and not-so-public writings in German, will recognise his many passages in the German original letter instantly.

    2) The name of the father is Niklaus Pfluger, not Phluger. It may be hard for Anglo-Saxons to spell this name (and actually you don't need to spell it, just write it), but still it's Pfluger. The German word Pflug means plough in English, so his name in English would translate to something like plough-er. :-)

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    I did not do the translation, but am certain that it is accurate and idiomatic.

    A friend showed to me the German original and the English translation, and I can assure you that it is a professional translation. No surprise, because to my information His Excellency translated the letter from German to English (and we all know that his German is excellent).

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    (To be continued)

    Indeed. When do you post the rest of the letter? I would have hoped you had posted the entire letter in one go, because it really has to be read in one go in order to grasp it.

    Since you e-mailed the complete letter to your mailing-list yesterday night, could you or somebody from this list post the entire letter soon here on CI please? Readers really need to get the entire ugly picture!


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    God have mercy on Fr. Phluger.

    Yes, indeed. A high ranking and faithful SSPX cleric titled Fr Pfluger as the "demon of the SSPX" with good reason. Also let's not forget that Fr Pfluger's the man who imported Max "the Mossad friend with the Jєωιѕн name" Krah into the SSPX.

    Do you people know that one of Fr Niklaus Pfluger's biological brothers, who's also an SSPX priest, is very sick by now? And some good clerics think that this brother bears the sickness in order to atone (expiation) for his brother Niklaus' doings. Well, I think it's possible.


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    Long live Bishop Williamson!

    Yes.

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    « Reply #22 on: April 12, 2013, 03:29:01 AM »
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  • Oh boy, with Ethelred's help, this story is morphing into a cold war spy novel.

    The letter has been traced to the evil secret agent MK28, who ate lox and bagels while typing it.

    While the dashing English Bishop is stalked by the master German spy who reports to the big cheese in Menzingen.

    I wonder if agent Rostand is going to make an appearance ?

    I can't wait for Holly to post the next letter segment!
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    « Reply #23 on: April 12, 2013, 04:06:39 AM »
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  • Dear Ethelred,

    Thank you very much for the corrections.  I would like to print this OP out,
    even though it is yet incomplete, for personal reasons.  And I would like to
    make your own comments, in part, a header on the letter.  I think that it
    is well worth giving the uninformed readers who will see it a bit of a taste of
    the context before they get into the actual words of this scuм-bag of a priest.

    I don't think I have been quite this scandalized since I read excerpts from
    the тαℓмυd that a friend supplied to me that contain blasphemies against
    Our Lord and Our Lady.  This comes dangerously close to that.  

    I'll make your corrections, too, such as the spelling of Fr. Pfluger's name.

    And if it's not too much trouble, I know some German-speaking people who
    would appreciate a copy in the original German.  

    If nothing else, these very good translations could be used as examples of
    how to do high quality translation work for those working with German and
    English.  They could immortalize the despicable and sour attitude that this
    SSPX priest shows to his SENIOR Bishop.


    Quote from: Ethelred
    Quote from: hollingsworth

    I have secured permission to publish a private letter from Fr. [Niklaus Pfluger], 1st Asst. to Superior General Bernard Fellay,  to Bishop Richard Williamson.  The letter is almost two and one half years old, and was, of course, sent to His Excellency before the latter was expelled from the Society.  The letter was originally written in French.


    Thanks Hollingsworth for posting this one.

    Two minor corrections, though:

    1) the letter was originally written in German, which unfortunately is the native language of the Swiss-German Fr Pfluger.  This German letter is dated 27 December 2010. The translation is dated 1 January 2011.
    And the Judaizer Max Krah helped in writing the letter. Firstly, the original letter's word-docuмent has as creator "MK28" which is the Internet pseudonym of Max Krah (plus his age number when he started posting). Secondly, those knowing Krah's public and not-so-public writings in German, will recognise his many passages in the German original letter instantly.

    2) The name of the father is Niklaus Pfluger, (not Phluger). It may be hard for Anglo-Saxons to spell this name (and actually you don't need to spell it, just write it), but still it's Pfluger. The German word Pflug means plough in English, so his name in English would translate to something like plough-er. :-)

    Quote from: hollingsworth

    I did not do the translation, but am certain that it is accurate and idiomatic.


    A friend showed to me the German original and the English translation, and I can assure you that it is a professional translation. No surprise, because to my information His Excellency translated the letter from German to English (and we all know that his German is excellent).

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    (To be continued)


    Indeed. When do you post the rest of the letter? I would have hoped you had posted the entire letter in one go, because it really has to be read in one go in order to grasp it.



    I don't think it's going to be a problem.  I am grasping this quite well as it
    is, thank you very much.  And I don't mind having a breather in the meantime
    because after all, I do want to get a few hours' sleep tonight and if I had read
    the whole thing ---- ESPECIALLY SINCE WHAT COMES NEXT IS WORSE! ---
    I'd rather have it stop here so I can let off some steam by typing this!!!!!!!!!!


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    Since you e-mailed the complete letter to your mailing-list yesterday night, could you or somebody from this list post the entire letter soon here on CI please? Readers really need to get the entire ugly picture!


    I will make a Word file to upload when the whole shebang is posted.
    Then you can print that out for distribution.  This is the smoking gun.

    I know a priest who is reluctant to put out much "bad news" from the Society
    because "they haven't done much yet."  Well, this is pretty bad.  


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    God have mercy on Fr. Pfluger.


    Yes, indeed. A high ranking and faithful SSPX cleric titled Fr Pfluger as the "demon of the SSPX" with good reason. Also let's not forget that Fr Pfluger's the man who imported Max "the Mossad friend with the Jєωιѕн name" Krah into the SSPX.



    Do you people know that one of Fr Niklaus Pfluger's biological brothers, who's also an SSPX priest, is very sick by now? And some good clerics think that this brother bears the sickness in order to atone (expiation) for his brother Niklaus' doings. Well, I think it's possible.




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    Long live Bishop Williamson!

    Yes.




    The manner of Fr. Pfluger's speech is highly unworthy of his ordination.  This
    is what Our Lady meant when she said priests are falling into hell.  I used to
    wonder how that could be the case, but now I know.  

    Bishop Williamson has spent over two years coping with this burden and
    cross, unable to make it public out of a concern for common decency.  We
    are indebted to to him for his fortitude and forebearance.  To think this kind
    of thing exemplifies the sort of TRASHY ILL-TREATMENT he has endured over
    the past several years is utterly ghastly.  I am HORRIFIED!!

     

    When I first read the OP, the very first thing that hit me was the similarity
    between this and the sour, disrespectful and HATEFUL attitude that it shares
    with Fr. Schmidberger's comments regarding the Carmel St. Joseph that was
    just recently posted here on CI.  I copy it here for those who don't know what
    I am referring to:



    Post

    Quote from: Mea Culpa
    Quoting Fr. Schmidberger (below)......This seems to be a perfect description of Bp. Fellay and what he's actually doing to the SSPX!!!!


    "This separation should remind us all of the warnings of the great Apostle Paul: "He that thinketh himself to stand, let him take heed lest he fall." (1 Cor 10:12). He does not 'say he who stands', but 'he who thinks that he stands',  precisely because many souls believe themselves in safety; they bathe themselves in virtue, while pride and self-righteousness have ensnared their hearts long ago. Stubbornness, self-righteousness, condescension, criticism, false dialectic, mockery and malice are not the gifts of the Holy Ghost, but characteristics of the adversary of God. It does not matter to him whether he causes the downfall of a soul through its well-known weaknesses, or through its pride of its own virtues. Too often the devil turns into an angel of light and performs his work of seduction sub specie boni – under the disguise of good. If one carries one’s own right too far, for example, the highest injustice can be done."



    THEREFORE,

    We have here two birds of a feather.  Fr. Pfluger and Fr. Schmidberger.  They
    both are utterly rude and contemptuous of good, holy religious, the first of
    a Bishop and the second of a Carmel cloister.  

    They should be ashamed of themselves!  

    And to think that Fr. Pfluger has the gall, the TEMERITY, to squeal toward
    +Williamson that he ought to apologize to someone!  It is Fr. Pfluger who
    should be doing the apologies!  Unbelievable!  

    I really wish this could have been released before the stupid speech in Post
    Falls yesterday.  


    So, we already know a lot about the nefarious doings of +Fellay, and that
    would leave only one suspect remaining.  Fr. Nely.  

    Who has the goods on Fr. Nely?  What are his dirty deeds?  He couldn't be
    squeaky clean with all this bad example in his company.  




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    « Reply #24 on: April 12, 2013, 04:09:17 AM »
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    Oh boy, with Ethelred's help, this story is morphing into a cold war spy novel.

    The letter has been traced to the evil secret agent MK28, who ate lox and bagels while typing it.

    While the dashing English Bishop is stalked by the master German spy who reports to the big cheese in Menzingen.

    I wonder if agent Rostand is going to make an appearance ?

    I can't wait for Holly to post the next letter segment!



    Uh, Incred., please don't knock the lox.  And please don't forget the cream cheese.

    Sincerely,
    a TOASTED bagel, lox and cream cheese fan.
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    « Reply #25 on: April 12, 2013, 04:59:35 AM »
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  • I have omitted the usernames, as readers are not going to know anything
    about that.  It might be too confusing for them.  If anyone has a problem
    with this idea, let me know and I can fix it before I post the Word file for
    downloading all over the world!!


    FWIW here is the one-page intro I patched together from several posts here:


    (An Internet source says):  

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    I have secured permission to publish a private letter from Fr. Niklaus Pfluger, 1st Asst. to Superior General Bernard Fellay,  to Bishop Richard Williamson.  The letter is almost two and one half years old, and was, of course, sent to His Excellency before the latter was expelled from the Society.  The letter was originally written in German.

    This German letter is dated 27 December 2010. The translation is dated 1 January 2011.  And the Judaizer Max Krah helped in writing the letter. Firstly, the original letter's word-docuмent has as creator "MK28" which is the Internet pseudonym of Max Krah (plus his age number when he started posting). Secondly, those knowing Krah's public and not-so-public writings in German, will recognise his many passages in the German original letter instantly.

    I did not do the translation, but am certain that it is accurate and idiomatic.  A friend showed to me the German original and the English translation, and I can assure you that it is a professional translation. No surprise, because to my information His Excellency translated the letter from German to English (and we all know that his German is excellent).

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    God have mercy on Fr. Pfluger.

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    Yes, indeed. A high ranking and faithful SSPX cleric titled Fr. Pfluger as the "demon of the SSPX" with good reason. Also let's not forget that Fr. Pfluger's the man who imported Max "the Mossad friend with the Jєωιѕн name" Krah into the SSPX.

    Do you people know that one of Fr. Niklaus Pfluger's biological brothers, who's also an SSPX priest, is very sick by now? And some good clerics think that this brother bears the sickness in order to atone (expiation) for his brother Niklaus' doings. Well, I think it's possible.

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    Long live Bishop Williamson!

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    An extremely rude letter to +Williamson...The sspx is always harping on "obedience" to one's superior, yet Fr. Pfluger displays enormously uncharitable, cheeky, obnoxious, and strikingly mean tone towards his superior, a Bishop no less...totally wrong, and completely reprehensible.

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    The only purpose in writing this letter would be to provoke and elicit a response from Bishop Williamson which could later be used against him as evidence of insubordination for justifying his eventual and planned expulsion.

    The letter itself follows:
     
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    « Reply #26 on: April 12, 2013, 08:28:47 AM »
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  • Quote from: hollingsworth

    Letter from Fr Pfluger to Bishop Williamson, 1 January,  2011.


    Alas, I know you do not ask yourself such questions. Nor do you ask why I, and with me Menzingen and almost the entire Society of St Pius X and the world while we are about it, why we merely shake our heads and are simply disappointed.
    [/color]

    (To be continued)


    Fr. Pfluger admitting that they're (the neo-SSPX) one with the world.

    Bishop Williamson must truly love and have much hope for the society to return to its sense to hold back from openly posting these types of letters. I'm sure His Excellency must have a ton of garbage like this poured unto his lap throughout the years, but being the gentleman and upright leader that he is, has opted not to.  


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    « Reply #27 on: April 12, 2013, 09:26:42 AM »
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  • "The letter of the one to the three" STRIKE ONE.."The April 14th Doctrinal Preamble" signed and never repudiated by Bp Fellay..STRIKE TWO..."The obnoxious letter of Fr. Pfluger to Bp Williamson" which reads like something Mossad asset Max Krah would write STRIKE THREE...As my tough as nails old baseball coach Mr Suarez would say, " give me three laps around the other batting cage.."  This is really the straw that breaks the camel's back as far as I'm concerned...

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    « Reply #28 on: April 12, 2013, 10:03:01 AM »
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  • Ethelred - superb investigation.  This is all so ugly and devious.
    Incredulous - as usual, LOL!  

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    « Reply #29 on: April 12, 2013, 11:32:50 AM »
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  • Ethelred:
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    1) the letter was originally written in German, which unfortunately is the native language of the Swiss-German Fr Pfluger.  This German letter is dated 27 December 2010. The translation is dated 1 January 2011.
    And the Judaizer Max Krah helped in writing the letter. Firstly, the original letter's word-docuмent has as creator "MK28" which is the Internet pseudonym of Max Krah (plus his age number when he started posting). Secondly, those knowing Krah's public and not-so-public writings in German, will recognise his many passages in the German original letter instantly.

    2) The name of the father is Niklaus Pfluger, not Phluger. It may be hard for Anglo-Saxons to spell this name (and actually you don't need to spell it, just write it), but still it's Pfluger. The German word Pflug means plough in English, so his name in English would translate to something like plough-er. :-)


    Thanks for the corrections.  The only date I had was the one appearing at the top of the French version in my files.  I did not know it was in German originally.  As for pulling it all together, I suppose someone could do that then the whole letter is put online.  I have just felt to release it in this manner, bit by bit.