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« on: November 09, 2012, 12:42:33 AM »
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  • Archbishop Lefebvre founded the SSPX in order to help save the traditional Catholic Faith as well as to preserve the “Catholic Priesthood of Our Lord Jesus Christ “. He discarded the concept of blind obedience to the Church hierarchy, in order to achieve his aims.

    His Society is indeed geared, like all similar institutions, towards expecting strict obedience to the commands and directives of it’s Superior General. But would Archbishop Lefevbre wish that this obedience be taken for granted even when the Society seems to be abandoning it’s purpose and coming to a deal with Modernist Rome? Hardly likely!.

    Furthermore, Archbishop Lefevbre initially wanted one bishop ( Williamson ) to carry on the Episcopal functions for the Society after his death. Further thought led him to want to expand his Episcopal team to three members (Williamson, de Mallerais, de Galaretta). These three were his desired candidates for the episcopacy but, for human and social reasons, if recent postings are true, a forth member was added. (Fellay).

    These candidates were well known to Archbishop Lefebvre, and we must ask if he would have envisaged the expulsion of any of them from the Society on any ground whatsoever? Were they not consecrated to be Society Bishops for life?.

    Bishop Williamson has been accused of disobedience and incitement to rebellion, including his videotaped call for Bp Fellay to be “kicked out”. Even if true, was he doing all this for fun? Or did he, and others, priests and laity, have a fear that a betrayal of the Society’s purpose was underway, led by none other than Bishop Fellay?. Was he ever given an opportunity to put his fears before an appropriate tribunal in such a grave matter, rather than to just the General Council, which apart from the General Bursar, seems to be at one with Bishop Fellay?. A good opportunity for a once and for all thorough airing of views and settling of disputes  would have been the last General Chapter, but this avenue was blocked by Bp Fellay when he excluded Bp Williamson from it.

    Why should Archbishop Lefebvre be excused of offering blind and servile obedience to his superiors but not Bishop Williamson when there appears a need for such a course to be followed?

    The expulsion of Bishop Williamson is a scandal which Bishop Fellay must rectify immediately.





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    « Reply #1 on: November 09, 2012, 02:06:57 AM »
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  • It's great to see someone is doing some thinking!




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    Archbishop Lefebvre founded the SSPX in order to help save the traditional Catholic Faith as well as to preserve the “Catholic Priesthood of Our Lord Jesus Christ “. He discarded the concept of blind obedience to the Church hierarchy, in order to achieve his aims.


    Yes, but we ought to remember that the practice of "blind" obedience has never
    been a part of Catholic tradition, that is, outside of the Jesuit extreme
    interpretation.  In the various religious orders, obedience is held to a high level
    of priority, but always under the principle of truth and justice, such that a
    religious superior who demands that a subject commit a sin under obedience is
    not to be obeyed in the matter of that command.

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    His Society is indeed geared, like all similar institutions, towards expecting strict obedience to the commands and directives of it’s Superior General. But would Archbishop Lefevbre wish that this obedience be taken for granted even when the Society seems to be abandoning it’s purpose and coming to a deal with Modernist Rome? Hardly likely!


    Like with the corruption of any person or group of people, if the Founder had
    survived to judge what is going on, +Fellay would be the one 'excluded' to be sure!

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    Furthermore, Archbishop Lefevbre initially wanted one bishop ( Williamson ) to carry on the Episcopal functions for the Society after his death. Further thought led him to want to expand his Episcopal team to three members (Williamson, de Mallerais, de Galarreta). These three were his desired candidates for the episcopacy but, for human and social reasons, if recent postings are true, a forth member was added. (Fellay).

    These candidates were well known to Archbishop Lefebvre, and we must ask if he would have envisaged the expulsion of any of them from the Society on any ground whatsoever? Were they not consecrated to be Society Bishops for life?


    It seems there was never any specific provision for removal of one of the
    bishops, but there was established a provision, somehow, by +Fellay himself, for
    as Superior General he has the power to make certain kinds of changes in the
    charter or something like that.  Normally to exclude an episcopal office from a
    fraternal society, it would require the approval of the Supreme Pontiff... Hmmm.
    ............ Anyone want to guess how that would pan out ????

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    Bishop Williamson has been accused of disobedience and incitement to rebellion, including his videotaped call for Bp Fellay to be “kicked out”. Even if true, was he doing all this for fun?  Or did he, and others, priests and laity, have a fear that a betrayal of the Society’s purpose was underway, led by none other than Bishop Fellay?  Was he ever given an opportunity to put his fears before an appropriate tribunal in such a grave matter, rather than to just the General [Chapter], which apart from the General Bursar, seems to be at one with Bishop Fellay?  A good opportunity for a once and for all thorough airing of views and settling of disputes  would have been the last General Chapter, but this avenue was blocked by Bp Fellay when he excluded Bp Williamson from it.


    Said exclusion was arguably an act of treason by +Fellay, but you won't find the
    Pope stepping up to the plate on that one!  One source claims that all the
    capitulants had to sign an agreement that they would support any resolution of
    the Chapter that declares punitive measures to be taken against any of the
    bishops of the Society, be what they may, and without signing that, a capitulant
    would not be admitted to vote in the Chapter, which, if true, would be cause for
    the charge of a DOUBLE act of treason by +Fellay! I would seem that
    keeping +W out of the Chapter and preparing for the systematic expulsion of any
    of these original 3 bishops chosen by ABL from the beginning was the FIRST
    ORDER OF BUSINESS at this particular Chapter meeting.  What a scandal!  And
    to have done this in the context of an Ignatian retreat before it started.  This
    is something that not even Joseph Stalin or Adolf Hitler or Mao Tse Tung could
    have done!  No, not even Idi Amin or Fidel Castro!  No, +Fellay has outdone all
    the worst criminal tyrants in modern history.  What a blasphemy his memory
    evokes.  Not even Nicolae Ceausescu could have done this.  He wasn't a Catholic
    Bishop!  St. John Chrysostom said that the streets of Hell are paved with the
    skulls of rotten bishops...  Could he have had the likes of +Fellay in mind???
    Maybe he knew of one special place for +Fellay's skull... There is no crime
    more heinous than the one that destroys the faith of Catholics.  Our Lord said
    to fear not him who attacks your body, but rather fear him who can send your
    soul into eternal hellfire.  If you thought that Paul VI was bad, it would seem
    he can't hold a candle to +Fellay... And to to think that I actually met him in
    person one day..................

    If you think this is a joke, think again!

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    Why should Archbishop Lefebvre be excused of offering blind and servile obedience to his superiors but not Bishop Williamson when there appears a need for such a course to be followed?


    Sorry, I can't think of any reason...............

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    The expulsion of Bishop Williamson is a scandal which Bishop Fellay must rectify immediately.




    True enough.  But why would he?  Why would a bishop -- whose conviction and
    long-term planning and scheming, hand placing capitulants for the Chapter in
    each and every case with the sole criterion of a willingness to kowtow to his
    every whim, a bishop whose methods put even Nicolae Ceausescu to shame --
    why would such a bishop want to rectify his most dearly held objectives?  

    Sorry, I can't think of any reason...............



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    « Reply #2 on: November 09, 2012, 04:09:26 AM »
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  • The Society was only a vehicle (one of many) set up to deal with the Roman reformation. Bishops and priests created while on board do not stop being bishops and priests when no longer riding that vehicle. With regard to Bp. W the terms of readmittance are going to be just as onerous as the terms for entering conciliar Rome.  

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    « Reply #3 on: November 09, 2012, 04:27:01 AM »
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  • the expulsion of BWis indeed a scandal... he should have been present at the general chapter,he should have been there to face his accusers, and we may have had a different outcome. But bf's handlers had a different agenda, and those capitulaters should hang their heads in shame every time they hear the name of BW. He is a mirror to their treachery...

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    « Reply #4 on: November 09, 2012, 07:14:54 AM »
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  • Quote from: Francisco
    The expulsion of Bishop Williamson is a scandal which Bishop Fellay must rectify immediately.

    You're right.
    Still Bishop Fellay and his gang will continue to do as they please.
    The worldlings are unjust.


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    « Reply #5 on: November 09, 2012, 08:37:36 AM »
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    .................  One source claims that all the capitulants had to sign an agreement that they would support any resolution of the Chapter that declares punitive measures to be taken against any of the
    bishops of the Society, be what they may, and without signing that, a capitulant
    would not be admitted to vote in the Chapter, which, if true, would be cause for
    the charge of a DOUBLE act of treason by +Fellay! I would seem that
    keeping +W out of the Chapter and preparing for the systematic expulsion of any
    of these original 3 bishops chosen by ABL from the beginning was the FIRST
    ORDER OF BUSINESS at this particular Chapter meeting.  What a scandal!  And
    to have done this in the context of an Ignatian retreat before it started.  This
    is something that not even Joseph Stalin or Adolf Hitler or Mao Tse Tung could
    have done!  No, not even Idi Amin or Fidel Castro!  No, +Fellay has outdone all
    the worst criminal tyrants in modern history.  What a blasphemy his memory
    evokes.  Not even Nicolae Ceausescu could have done this.  He wasn't a Catholic
    Bishop!  St. John Chrysostom said that the streets of Hell are paved with the
    skulls of rotten bishops...  Could he have had the likes of +Fellay in mind???
    Maybe he knew of one special place for +Fellay's skull... There is no crime
    more heinous than the one that destroys the faith of Catholics.  Our Lord said
    to fear not him who attacks your body, but rather fear him who can send your
    soul into eternal hellfire.  If you thought that Paul VI was bad, it would seem
    he can't hold a candle to +Fellay... And to to think that I actually met him in
    person one day..................

    If you think this is a joke, think again!
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    If what the source  claims is true, then the Society is in a very bad shape at present!
    Are you aware that persons like Fr Couture, who conducted the pre-Chapter Retreat (!!!!!!!),  have said that the presence of the Blessed Virgin Mary could be felt at the Chapter. (And consequently) such was the profound sense of unity permeating the Chapter.

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    « Reply #6 on: November 09, 2012, 09:23:06 AM »
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    If what the source  claims is true, then the Society is in a very bad shape at present!
    Are you aware that persons like Fr Couture, who conducted the pre-Chapter Retreat (!!!!!!!),  have said that the presence of the Blessed Virgin Mary could be felt at the Chapter[?]  (And consequently) such was the profound sense of unity permeating the Chapter.


    Fr. Couture should know better.  St. John of the Cross thought that he felt
    the presence of Our Lord, until he asked the vision to appear as Christ
    crucified, at which point it was suddenly gone.  If the devil can fool a
    great saint, how much more could he fool the capitulants at the Chapter
    who were busy committing the ecclesiastical crime of the century?  

    People I know who went to Medjugorje claim the presence of Our Lady can
    be "felt" there, and they had a profound "sense of unity" permeating their
    tour.  Sailors in a submarine have a profound sense of unity.  Ever heard of
    a 'tent revival'?  There's a profound sense of unity for you.  Or the local
    pub?  How about Purgatory - since this is the month of the Holy Souls?

    Fr. Couture needs a better catechism class - run by Bishop Williamson!





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    « Reply #7 on: November 09, 2012, 09:24:30 AM »
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  • What matters right now is to know how is our dear Bishop Williamson?

    where is he going to reside?

    where will he say Holy Mass (in his bedroom?)

    who will care for him (meals, laundry, illness, etc)?

    what has the SSPX arranged for his dignified subsistence after 30 maybe more years of faithful work?

    or are they throwing him out and expect that he will manage to survive (or not!)?

    Bishop Fellay, Fathers Pfluger and Nelly, Father Morgan, answers please

     :boxer:
    O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
    Praised be Jesus ad Mary!

    "Is minic a gheibhean beal oscailt diog dunta"


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    « Reply #8 on: November 09, 2012, 09:50:52 AM »
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  • his 'brother ' bishops ' should answer that too.... but they wont... and fr couture should remember Faith is not about feelings.....but thats just my feelings on the subject.....

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    « Reply #9 on: November 09, 2012, 09:53:16 AM »
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  • Quote from: Francisco
    Archbishop Lefebvre founded the SSPX in order to help save the traditional Catholic Faith as well as to preserve the “Catholic Priesthood of Our Lord Jesus Christ “. He discarded the concept of blind obedience to the Church hierarchy, in order to achieve his aims.

    His Society is indeed geared, like all similar institutions, towards expecting strict obedience to the commands and directives of it’s Superior General. But would Archbishop Lefevbre wish that this obedience be taken for granted even when the Society seems to be abandoning it’s purpose and coming to a deal with Modernist Rome? Hardly likely!.

    Furthermore, Archbishop Lefevbre initially wanted one bishop ( Williamson ) to carry on the Episcopal functions for the Society after his death. Further thought led him to want to expand his Episcopal team to three members (Williamson, de Mallerais, de Galaretta). These three were his desired candidates for the episcopacy but, for human and social reasons, if recent postings are true, a forth member was added. (Fellay).

    These candidates were well known to Archbishop Lefebvre, and we must ask if he would have envisaged the expulsion of any of them from the Society on any ground whatsoever? Were they not consecrated to be Society Bishops for life?.

    Bishop Williamson has been accused of disobedience and incitement to rebellion, including his videotaped call for Bp Fellay to be “kicked out”. Even if true, was he doing all this for fun? Or did he, and others, priests and laity, have a fear that a betrayal of the Society’s purpose was underway, led by none other than Bishop Fellay?. Was he ever given an opportunity to put his fears before an appropriate tribunal in such a grave matter, rather than to just the General Council, which apart from the General Bursar, seems to be at one with Bishop Fellay?. A good opportunity for a once and for all thorough airing of views and settling of disputes  would have been the last General Chapter, but this avenue was blocked by Bp Fellay when he excluded Bp Williamson from it.

    Why should Archbishop Lefebvre be excused of offering blind and servile obedience to his superiors but not Bishop Williamson when there appears a need for such a course to be followed?

    The expulsion of Bishop Williamson is a scandal which Bishop Fellay must rectify immediately.


    My thoughts exactly, but better put. Thanks Francisco.
    --------------------------

    Right now there is no accord, everything is specualtion and fog.  I have only one fight right now, I will not stand by and let my good priests be thugged out of the SSPX. If there is a disagreement on the accord, that is no reason to throw out those confreres who have fought side by side with you for 40+ years. There is something seriously wrong in the mind of men who would do such a THING. For a Catholic to do such a thing is worse, and for a cleric to do it, it is shocking.

    Dear Bishop Fellay,
    Read what has been written here by Francisco and my comment. Come to your senses and bring all of the SSPX priests, and Bishop Williamson back.
    Come to your senses man! You are unwittingly being the instrument of the end of the SSPX as the leaders of the Traditionalist movement.
       +
    AMDG

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    « Reply #10 on: November 15, 2012, 03:14:28 PM »
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    .................  One source claims that all the capitulants had to sign an agreement that they would support any resolution of the Chapter that declares punitive measures to be taken against any of the
    bishops of the Society, be what they may, and without signing that, a capitulant
    would not be admitted to vote in the Chapter, which, if true, would be cause for
    the charge of a DOUBLE act of treason by +Fellay! I would seem that
    keeping +W out of the Chapter and preparing for the systematic expulsion of any
    of these original 3 bishops chosen by ABL from the beginning was the FIRST
    ORDER OF BUSINESS at this particular Chapter meeting.  What a scandal!  And
    to have done this in the context of an Ignatian retreat before it started.  This
    is something that not even Joseph Stalin or Adolf Hitler or Mao Tse Tung could
    have done!  No, not even Idi Amin or Fidel Castro!  No, +Fellay has outdone all
    the worst criminal tyrants in modern history.  What a blasphemy his memory
    evokes.  Not even Nicolae Ceausescu could have done this.  He wasn't a Catholic
    Bishop!  St. John Chrysostom said that the streets of Hell are paved with the
    skulls of rotten bishops...  Could he have had the likes of +Fellay in mind???
    Maybe he knew of one special place for +Fellay's skull... There is no crime
    more heinous than the one that destroys the faith of Catholics.  Our Lord said
    to fear not him who attacks your body, but rather fear him who can send your
    soul into eternal hellfire.  If you thought that Paul VI was bad, it would seem
    he can't hold a candle to +Fellay... And to to think that I actually met him in
    person one day..................

    If you think this is a joke, think again!


    If what the source  claims is true, then the Society is in a very bad shape at
    present!

    Are you aware that persons like Fr. Couture, who conducted the pre-Chapter Retreat (!!!!!!!),  have said that the presence of the Blessed Virgin Mary could be felt at the Chapter. (And consequently) such was the profound sense of unity permeating the Chapter.



    Okay, I finally found it.  

    Fr. Francois Chazal, in his October 14th recording available on
    InThisSignYouShallConquer.com says, at minute 46:05 the following:


    "...No Order is allowed to expel by itself, an episcopal member from its
    General Chapter.  It's impossible! It's one of the great irregularities of
    the General Chapter!  And making them sign, the members of the Chapter
    in advance, to whatever measures and punishments shall be taken
    against Bishop Williamson - made them SIGN in advance to whatever
    punishments would be done: even STALIN wouldn't use that technique!
    You know? Other questions?..." 46:30



    So, Fr. Coture, by dint of the fact that he was involved in the Chapter, must
    have therefore signed +Fellay's ULTRA COMMUNIST TACTIC contract, a pledge
    to uphold whatever measures would be taken against Bishop Williamson.

    Furthermore, in order for the other two bishops to have participated,
    Bishop Tissier de Mallerais and Bishop Alphonso de Galarreta, would have had
    to EITHER sign the agreement to punish +Williamson, or, at the VERY LEAST,
    would have agreed not to speak out against it, because they in fact have not
    been found anywhere speaking out against it.  The only reason I know it
    happened is because Fr. Chazal has testified to it.  And notice:

    Nobody Is Claiming That Fr. Chazal Has Spoken Any Inaccuracy Here.


    So, unchallenged, it stands on its own.





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    « Reply #11 on: November 15, 2012, 10:00:39 PM »
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    .................  One source claims that all the capitulants had to sign an agreement that they would support any resolution of the Chapter that declares punitive measures to be taken against any of the
    bishops of the Society, be what they may, and without signing that, a capitulant
    would not be admitted to vote in the Chapter, which, if true, would be cause for
    the charge of a DOUBLE act of treason by +Fellay! I would seem that
    keeping +W out of the Chapter and preparing for the systematic expulsion of any
    of these original 3 bishops chosen by ABL from the beginning was the FIRST
    ORDER OF BUSINESS at this particular Chapter meeting.  What a scandal!  And
    to have done this in the context of an Ignatian retreat before it started.  This
    is something that not even Joseph Stalin or Adolf Hitler or Mao Tse Tung could
    have done!  No, not even Idi Amin or Fidel Castro!  No, +Fellay has outdone all
    the worst criminal tyrants in modern history.  What a blasphemy his memory
    evokes.  Not even Nicolae Ceausescu could have done this.  He wasn't a Catholic
    Bishop!  St. John Chrysostom said that the streets of Hell are paved with the
    skulls of rotten bishops...  Could he have had the likes of +Fellay in mind???
    Maybe he knew of one special place for +Fellay's skull... There is no crime
    more heinous than the one that destroys the faith of Catholics.  Our Lord said
    to fear not him who attacks your body, but rather fear him who can send your
    soul into eternal hellfire.  If you thought that Paul VI was bad, it would seem
    he can't hold a candle to +Fellay... And to to think that I actually met him in
    person one day..................

    If you think this is a joke, think again!


    If what the source  claims is true, then the Society is in a very bad shape at
    present!

    Are you aware that persons like Fr. Couture, who conducted the pre-Chapter Retreat (!!!!!!!),  have said that the presence of the Blessed Virgin Mary could be felt at the Chapter. (And consequently) such was the profound sense of unity permeating the Chapter.



    Okay, I finally found it.  

    Fr. Francois Chazal, in his October 14th recording available on
    InThisSignYouShallConquer.com says, at minute 46:05 the following:


    "...No Order is allowed to expel by itself, an episcopal member from its
    General Chapter.  It's impossible! It's one of the great irregularities of
    the General Chapter!  And making them sign, the members of the Chapter
    in advance, to whatever measures and punishments shall be taken
    against Bishop Williamson - made them SIGN in advance to whatever
    punishments would be done: even STALIN wouldn't use that technique!
    You know? Other questions?..." 46:30



    So, Fr. Coture, by dint of the fact that he was involved in the Chapter, must
    have therefore signed +Fellay's ULTRA COMMUNIST TACTIC contract, a pledge
    to uphold whatever measures would be taken against Bishop Williamson.

    Furthermore, in order for the other two bishops to have participated,
    Bishop Tissier de Mallerais and Bishop Alphonso de Galarreta, would have had
    to EITHER sign the agreement to punish +Williamson, or, at the VERY LEAST,
    would have agreed not to speak out against it, because they in fact have not
    been found anywhere speaking out against it.  The only reason I know it
    happened is because Fr. Chazal has testified to it.  And notice:

    Nobody Is Claiming That Fr. Chazal Has Spoken Any Inaccuracy Here.
    So, unchallenged, it stands on its own.


    I would reckon it's true. Fr Pfluger is now in the Philippines, in advance of the forthcoming visit this month of two SSPX-SO priests. No doubt to push the message: We are as we were!


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    « Reply #12 on: November 15, 2012, 10:38:55 PM »
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  • Quote from: Francisco
    Archbishop Lefebvre founded the SSPX in order to help save the traditional Catholic Faith as well as to preserve the “Catholic Priesthood of Our Lord Jesus Christ “. He discarded the concept of blind obedience to the Church hierarchy, in order to achieve his aims.

    His Society is indeed geared, like all similar institutions, towards expecting strict obedience to the commands and directives of it’s Superior General. But would Archbishop Lefevbre wish that this obedience be taken for granted even when the Society seems to be abandoning it’s purpose and coming to a deal with Modernist Rome? Hardly likely!.

    Furthermore, Archbishop Lefevbre initially wanted one bishop ( Williamson ) to carry on the Episcopal functions for the Society after his death. Further thought led him to want to expand his Episcopal team to three members (Williamson, de Mallerais, de Galaretta). These three were his desired candidates for the episcopacy but, for human and social reasons, if recent postings are true, a forth member was added. (Fellay).

    These candidates were well known to Archbishop Lefebvre, and we must ask if he would have envisaged the expulsion of any of them from the Society on any ground whatsoever? Were they not consecrated to be Society Bishops for life?.

    Bishop Williamson has been accused of disobedience and incitement to rebellion, including his videotaped call for Bp Fellay to be “kicked out”. Even if true, was he doing all this for fun? Or did he, and others, priests and laity, have a fear that a betrayal of the Society’s purpose was underway, led by none other than Bishop Fellay?. Was he ever given an opportunity to put his fears before an appropriate tribunal in such a grave matter, rather than to just the General Council, which apart from the General Bursar, seems to be at one with Bishop Fellay?. A good opportunity for a once and for all thorough airing of views and settling of disputes  would have been the last General Chapter, but this avenue was blocked by Bp Fellay when he excluded Bp Williamson from it.

    Why should Archbishop Lefebvre be excused of offering blind and servile obedience to his superiors but not Bishop Williamson when there appears a need for such a course to be followed?

    The expulsion of Bishop Williamson is a scandal which Bishop Fellay must rectify immediately.





     Bishop Fellay will NOT recitify anything. We are dealing with diabolical disorientation-- I don't think he is in complete control of what he says and does at all times. Pray for him. Those who are "outside" of this mess have a special grace from God. Thank Him EVERYDAY or it may be taken away.

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    A FEW STRAY THOUGHTS ON BP. WILLIAMSONS EXPULSION
    « Reply #13 on: November 16, 2012, 03:53:32 PM »
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    I would reckon it's true. Fr Pfluger is now in the Philippines, in advance of the forthcoming visit this month of two SSPX-SO priests. No doubt to push the message: We are as we were!


    I hope someone there bothers to record what Fr. Pfluger says.  In the Philippines,
    the faithful are abandoning the NeoSSPX in droves, that is, the ones most
    devoted to the founding principles, who have been making the effort to record
    sermons of Fr. Pfeiffer and Chazal, are largely convinced that now that they've
    been expelled, their chapels are an empty shell of hypocrisy, so there isn't much
    point in going anymore.  The two Frs. have advised against that extreme reaction,
    but the people seem more prone to act on their convictions there, culturally or
    something.  Fr. Pfeiffer said in one of his lectures here in the States, that once
    Philippine SSPX regulars found out that +Fellay was in principle making moves
    toward regularization with apostate Rome, it has been as if they have said,
    That's enough! ..It makes no difference if the 'deal' goes through or not: the fact
    that he has announced his desire and conviction to make the deal means in his
    heart he is already unfaithful to the Society's established purpose, to maintain
    Tradition.  Therefore we are finished with +Fellay and all he stands for, because
    he is now the enemy.


    This thing, by extension, actually touches on the 1962 Missal issue.  If
    +Lefebvre had had it his way, the Society would never have been coerced
    into the 1962 Missal and rubrics.  He only made that move as a concession
    with Rome, to make a political accommodation for the sake of "peace."  Well,
    it didn't work, did it?  Do we have peace?  Hardly.  This is war, as Fr. Chazal
    has said.


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    Quote from: Francisco
    Archbishop Lefebvre founded the SSPX in order to help save the traditional Catholic Faith as well as to preserve the “Catholic Priesthood of Our Lord Jesus Christ “. He discarded the concept of blind obedience to the Church hierarchy, in order to achieve his aims.

    His Society is indeed geared, like all similar institutions, towards expecting strict obedience to the commands and directives of it’s Superior General. But would Archbishop Lefevbre wish that this obedience be taken for granted even when the Society seems to be abandoning it’s purpose and coming to a deal with Modernist Rome? Hardly likely!.


    "Hardly likely?"  No such thing!  Archbishop Lefebvre pronounced his opposition
    on principle to this corrupt orientation.  He said, literally, that he desires the
    Society's members to follow him, so long as he remains faithful to these
    principles of Sacred Tradition which he has received, but the moment that he
    teaches something else, something different from these principles, it would
    be better if the faithful would no longer follow him.  Wouldn't he say that only
    if he had felt an attraction, an urge to go off the narrow way - the way to
    which he himself so narrowly clung, where was wont to direct his followers?  

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    Furthermore, Archbishop Lefevbre initially wanted one bishop ( Williamson ) to carry on the Episcopal functions for the Society after his death. Further thought led him to want to expand his Episcopal team to three members (Williamson, de Mallerais, [de Galarreta]). These three were his desired candidates for the episcopacy but, for human and social reasons, if recent postings are true, a forth member was added. (Fellay).

    These candidates were well known to Archbishop Lefebvre, and we must ask if he would have envisaged the expulsion of any of them from the Society on any ground whatsoever? Were they not consecrated to be Society Bishops for life?

    Bishop Williamson has been accused of disobedience and incitement to rebellion, including his videotaped call for Bp Fellay to be “kicked out”. Even if true, was he doing all this for fun? Or did he, and others, priests and laity, have a fear that a betrayal of the Society’s purpose was underway, led by none other than Bishop Fellay?. Was he ever given an opportunity to put his fears before an appropriate tribunal in such a grave matter, rather than to just the General [Chapter], which apart from the General Bursar, seems to be at one with Bishop Fellay?. A good opportunity for a once and for all thorough airing of views and settling of disputes  would have been the last General Chapter, but this avenue was blocked by Bp Fellay when he excluded Bp Williamson from it.

    Why should Archbishop Lefebvre be excused of offering blind and servile obedience to his superiors but not Bishop Williamson when there appears a need for such a course to be followed?

    The expulsion of Bishop Williamson is a scandal which Bishop Fellay must rectify immediately.



     Bishop Fellay will NOT recitify anything. We are dealing with diabolical disorientation-- I don't think he is in complete control of what he says and does at all times. Pray for him. Those who are "outside" of this mess have a special grace from God. Thank Him EVERYDAY or it may be taken away.


    Yes, it would seem that all indications point to +Fellay's LONG TERM devotion
    to the object of regularization of the Society as a most untouchable principle,
    a thing so dearly held that nothing would be sufficient to convince him of its
    error - not even the sacrifice of one, two, or all three of his own brother bishops,
    and meanwhile the sacrifice of any SSPX priest who dares to act in like manner.  

    His is an all-consuming passion, one that can only be driven by a deeply-held
    conviction, a kind of obsession - or worse.


    We could usually look to Scripture for some kind of guidance, but if it is found
    there, it must be in the Apocalypse, as part of eschatology.  But there is one
    place:

    "For such false prophets are deceitful workmen, transforming themselves into
    the apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder: for Satan himself transformeth
    himself into an angel of light" (I Cor. xi. 13-14).






    I have some other material that puts this situation squarely in the realm of
    the Third Secret of Fatima, but that's going to have to wait for now..........








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