Author Topic: A Criticism of RECUSANT 10 (Read 10051 times)

Emerentiana · « **Reply #25 on:** October 02, 2013, 03:36:50 PM »

Quote from: denniswhiting

It is not necessarily irrational to judge an authority figure's rightness or wrongness on a particular issue from what you know of their character. Even if, for the time being and for reasons which may be sound, they refuse to give out detailed reasons for their choice. When you are aware of strong arguments for them to choose the other way, it is an uneasy situation to be in. There has to be a time limit. Is there not room for an honest differrence of opinion as to whether that time limit has already expired or whether it can go on for a bit longer?
As to Indult masses, I thought the objection to them was not that they were bad in themselves but that they tended to weaken the position of the SSPX. A Tridentine mass celebrated with due reverence is surely always valid and legitimate, even if the celebrant has unnecessarily sought the permission of the diocesan bishop?Dennis Whiting

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Well, Dennis, We can see that you know very little about the apostacy in the Conciliar Church.
The Indult masses are invalid, if the celebrants have been ordained in the New Rite after 1968. These celebrants are not true priests. They can go thru the motions of saying the Tridentine mass, but cannot effect the sacrament.

I think you are definately a troll :reporter: :detective:

Emerentiana · « **Reply #26 on:** October 02, 2013, 03:45:41 PM »

Quote from: John Grace

For clarification, I have no quarrel with denniswhiting. I have met him more than once and have no reason to question is sincerity.

I wouldn't attend the Indult (Approved Mass).
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I don't see any difference between the Indult and the SSPX.
I don't dispute the SSPX have good priests but my support is with the resistance.

I never kept one foot in the Novus ordo and another in Tradition. It's unfortunate I can't support the SSPX.

I don't believe outside of the resistance there is no salvation.

Well, John Grace, you also need to understand that the SSPX priests are VALID priests ordained by VALID bishops. The same is not always true of the Indult priests. Some of them have been ordained by INVALID bishops who were consecrated in the new rite after 1968.

To me this is the master deception of the devil! All of the presbyters in the world can say the Tridentine mass, and none of these masses will be valid, if they have been ordained in the new rite.
The devil has pulled off a perfect "coup". :devil2:

John Grace · « **Reply #27 on:** October 02, 2013, 03:59:30 PM »

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Well, John Grace, you also need to understand that the SSPX priests are VALID priests ordained by VALID bishops.

This is quite patronising as I am well aware of this. I wasn't clear in my comment. The hour is late here.

John Grace · « **Reply #28 on:** October 02, 2013, 04:02:48 PM »

Quote from: Emerentiana

Quote from: denniswhiting
It is not necessarily irrational to judge an authority figure's rightness or wrongness on a particular issue from what you know of their character. Even if, for the time being and for reasons which may be sound, they refuse to give out detailed reasons for their choice. When you are aware of strong arguments for them to choose the other way, it is an uneasy situation to be in. There has to be a time limit. Is there not room for an honest differrence of opinion as to whether that time limit has already expired or whether it can go on for a bit longer?
As to Indult masses, I thought the objection to them was not that they were bad in themselves but that they tended to weaken the position of the SSPX. A Tridentine mass celebrated with due reverence is surely always valid and legitimate, even if the celebrant has unnecessarily sought the permission of the diocesan bishop?Dennis Whiting
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Well, Dennis, We can see that you know very little about the apostacy in the Conciliar Church.
The Indult masses are invalid, if the celebrants have been ordained in the New Rite after 1968. These celebrants are not true priests. They can go thru the motions of saying the Tridentine mass, but cannot effect the sacrament.

I think you are definately a troll :reporter: :detective:

He isn't a troll. I last met him in June of this year.

Matto · « **Reply #29 on:** October 02, 2013, 04:04:15 PM »

Quote from: Emerentiana

To me this is the master deception of the devil! All of the p r e s b y t e r s in the world can say the Tridentine mass, and none of these masses will be valid, if they have been ordained in the new rite.

There is one thing I do not understand. After taking over the Church, why didn't the Jews and Freemasons in command make the Church change the rites of ordination and consecration in the Eastern rites and make them invalid also? If they did that, then the priesthood would nearly perish from the earth and there would be almost no valid Masses except for the insignificant traditional movement which only includes less than a thousand priests and around one tenth of one percent of all people who claim to be Catholic.