Author Topic: A Criticism of RECUSANT 10 (Read 10072 times)

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #15 on:** September 28, 2013, 04:55:43 PM »

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I think that some people are generating a personal hatred/dislike for the SSPX and or its priests to the extent of missing the point in the present situation.

Lest anyone think we go to an indult, let me disabuse them. We saw the error of our ways. However, though Matthew claims that the indult goes lower than the SSPX, I remind him and others again that the prior at ICC tells folks it is OK to go to the indult. Perhaps, he can write Fr. Vassal and take this complaint up with him. The point being that all priest in the Society are, apparently, not on the same page when it comes to indult attendance.

I have a talk from Father Bolduc (RIP, an independent former SSPX priest) who lists the multiple reasons why one should not attend the "indult" mess.

Let me list just a couple of reasons why.

First, if a novus ordo is also celebrated at the church where the "indult" mess is being said, how do you really know if you're getting communion from the novus ordo, or the "indult" especially if there's only one tabernacle there? For all you know, the priest is only consecrating the host for himself, and you really don't know if the priest is taking hosts that were already consecrated from the tabernacle that were there for the prior novus ordo that was "offered" earlier.

Secondly, (and this might not be problematic for SSPX goers, but it was for us who knew the implications) they use the "extraordinary form" of the Mass, which means the Missal of John XXIII. Some have no problem with this, but some do.

Lastly, your money, when you put it in the collection plate, is inevitably going to support your local novus ordo, and a mere pittance is going to actually go to that "indult" group you think you're supporting.

There are more, but these are the really good reasons to ponder.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #16 on:** September 28, 2013, 06:38:39 PM »

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There are few really in Ireland, who are SSPX 100%

That may have to do with the fact that SSPX is not 100% SSPX any longer. If you have a superior general who admits that 95% of V2 can pass muster, (and did so now more than a decade ago), and if, furthermore, he states that the New Mass was "legitimately promulgated," how could one expect that the Fellay-flavored sspx might be 100% Lefebvrian SSPX. Add to that our knowledge that as early as 1997, Bp. Fellay was actively conspiring with others to find a way of being practically reunited with Rome.

It was earlier than '97. I heard him give a conference in '96 wherein
he openly promoted the concept, using the words "luscious plumb" as
the image of what 'normalization' would be for the Society. He said it
is like a very attractive and delicious fruit that is there for the taking
if we would only reach out and pick it from the tree. Only later did I
realize I had heard words that may have been indistinguishable from
the words Eve had heard from the voice of the Serpent in the Tree of
the Knowledge of Good and Evil. I had heard him say this and at the
time I had thought "Oh, of course, how wonderful." Then I heard others
murmuring that we should pray for +Fellay, that he needs our prayers.

We really should, now even more than then!

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Is it any wonder that the faithful are all over the lot on this one? It's been years since SSPX priests and leaders have not blown a clear trumpet blast from the pulpit.

Very true, but to add to the complication of it all, it is each person's own
decision at what point the sum effect is too much: that last week it was
still okay, but this week it's over the line; and "If I go back I'll put my
faith in danger!" Only you can answer that question for yourself. And
you can't answer it for anyone else, either!! This is one place where the
power of the Keys comes in: The Pope can answer this question for the
entire world; but he must be willing to use the power of the keys. If the
pope were to do that, he would then have to abandon the postconciliar
lies. Because, "No man can serve two masters. For either he will hate
the one, and love the other: or he will sustain the one, and despise the
other. You cannot serve God and mammon" (Matt. vi. 24).

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #17 on:** September 28, 2013, 06:43:39 PM »

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The great Fr. Hector Bolduc.

Ora pro nobis!

John Grace · « **Reply #18 on:** September 29, 2013, 09:11:35 AM »

An important point is made in the 'How to help the Cause' Revisited.

"And don't worry too much about potential unpleasantness from any misguided would-be 'friends of Bishop Fellay'. "God takes care of His children. He will see that no harm comes to you'

With the comments on Ignis Ardens from 'friends of Bishop Fellay' and Frances docuмenting harassment, the above is a good comment.

John Grace · « **Reply #19 on:** September 29, 2013, 09:19:00 AM »

Also on Page 21 some common objections to the resistance are answered.

"If we stick with the SSPX we can 'resist from within'.

The reply

"That is a complete illusion. It is the superiors who form the subjects, not the subjects who form the superiors!" Archbishop Lefebvre.

I agree with this.