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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: bvmknight on March 14, 2013, 01:59:18 PM
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I have just spoken to Father Johnson who told me that the words of his sermon were not directed at our family but to the people who were there in the pews. He told me that he was disappointed that so few were coming to Stations of the Cross and that he was explaining that if he was not their spiritual father then they were like illegitimate children or protestants. He said that he did mention us as a family that had their children confirmed in Post Falls and he continues to warn everyone against the “Resistance priests” and Bishop Williamson. He believes their disobedience was very serious. I hope I have what he told me correct this time.
Before I posted the original claim about his sermon I spoke to several people including people who were at both Masses. Many people were upset and it is possible that they misunderstood what Father was saying. I did try to get it correct and be sure of what was said before I posted it here since it was very serious. I apologize if I have any way spread error as it was not at all my intention. I humbly ask forgiveness. Please pray for Father Johnson and my family. I am sorry for any trouble this has caused.
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Bvm, you say the sermon was not directed specifically towards you and your familily. Sounds pretty thin to me, in that several people who were there apparently testify that you were singled out. Did they all get it wrong.
I have written Fr. Johnson a personal letter and hand delivered it yesterday to the ICC priory office. I wanted to corroborate with him that he had either said these things or had not. I told him that this was all online now, and it needed to be cleared up and explained.
I know Father Johnson pretty well. I used to make confessions to him, and I served him at Mass on a number of occasions. He was ordained by Bp. Williamson about 4 years ago, I think. He is an older priest, though junior to me by about 10 years. Fr. Johnson had high praise for Bp. Williamson at one time. In fact, he told me, had the bishop not stepped in during the 80s the whole work in the U.S. would have been lost. The Archbishop was ready to pack it all in and go back to Europe after "the nine" had had their fling. The SSPX then was at the point of abandoning our shores.
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I have just spoken to Father Johnson who told me that the words of his sermon were not directed at our family but to the people who were there in the pews. He told me that he was disappointed that so few were coming to Stations of the Cross and that he was explaining that if he was not their spiritual father then they were like illegitimate children or protestants. He said that he did mention us as a family that had their children confirmed in Post Falls and he continues to warn everyone against the “Resistance priests” and Bishop Williamson. He believes their disobedience was very serious. I hope I have what he told me correct this time.
Before I posted the original claim about his sermon I spoke to several people including people who were at both Masses. Many people were upset and it is possible that they misunderstood what Father was saying. I did try to get it correct and be sure of what was said before I posted it here since it was very serious. I apologize if I have any way spread error as it was not at all my intention. I humbly ask forgiveness. Please pray for Father Johnson and my family. I am sorry for any trouble this has caused.
I do thank you for this, bvmknight, clarity is very important is this fight of the Faith. There is still none the less, the overwhelming issue that Fr. Johnson, with the rest of Post Falls priests, and so many of other priests within the U.S. District, are actively following a "false" obedience; and tying to "apostate" us to go with them. Hence, they still are all consistent in their sermons against the True position of the fight of Archbishop Lefebvre.
For what Fr. Johnson, and all of the rest wants everyone to "believe", that this is just about "obedience"; not a fight about the True Faith.
How ironic also that this is what Archbishop Lefebvre was accused of; and these N-SSPX priests cannot see that this is the same playbook Menzingen is doing against their own brother priests...
For those who seek -they will find- if they want to.
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Father said he received a letter and I think that is what prompted the call. I have spoken to people who were there and it seems that whether he intended it or not, it came off as an attack on our family. Even people who don't agree with us made comments that implied they thought so as well. I do not wish to slander anyone. Perhaps I shouldn't have posted the original post at all. I was motivated by the fact that hearing what is going on at other parishes has helped me keep my eyes more open and I hoped this story would help others. I hope it is clear that our family is not angry with Father at all.
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Bvm, you say the sermon was not directed specifically towards you and your familily. Sounds pretty thin to me, in that several people who were there apparently testify that you were singled out. Did they all get it wrong.
In that case, Fr. Johnson owes no less than a public, written, clarification of his words. I've heard countless times from numerous people that "it's not what I meant" or "you misunderstood", and each time bar none, it was a lie.
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back pedalling, seems to me.....
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bvmknight,
If Fr. Johnson said the remarks were not directed toward you then please consider the case closed.
Keep up your prayer life, stand fast and true for the Catholic Faith and continue to assist at Mass.
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Yes, WATCH and PRAY....... :pray:
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If that many people are misunderstanding what is said in his sermons, I think Fr. should clarify the matter publicly, since he was misunderstood publicly.
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I have just spoken to Father Johnson who told me that the words of his sermon were not directed at our family but to the people who were there in the pews. He told me that he was disappointed that so few were coming to Stations of the Cross ...
So far so good. If attendance at Stations is down, that's a bad sign. There are
a lot of graces attached to Stations during Lent, and all Catholics should be getting
involved with that.
...and that he was explaining that if he was not their spiritual father then they were like illegitimate children or protestants.
Still no problem. Children should be submissive to the spiritual leadership of their
pastor, their priest.
He said that he did mention us as a family that had their children confirmed in Post Falls and he continues to warn everyone against the “Resistance priests” and Bishop Williamson. He believes their disobedience was very serious. I hope I have what he told me correct this time.
This is where the problem begins. Having your children confirmed by Bishop
Williamson is not anything to be ashamed of, in fact, it could be a most prodigious
grace that will last a lifetime! There is a small chance that he's only saying
that he "believes their disobedience was very serious" because he has to say
that. But he is objectively adding to the confusion. The Menzingen-denizens
are relying on this confusion, and the good priests do not have to participate
in the subterfuge. Disobedience to FALSE commands are not disobedience to
the truth.
Before I posted the original claim about his sermon I spoke to several people including people who were at both Masses. Many people were upset and it is possible that they misunderstood what Father was saying. I did try to get it correct and be sure of what was said before I posted it here since it was very serious. I apologize if I have any way spread error as it was not at all my intention. I humbly ask forgiveness. Please pray for Father Johnson and my family. I am sorry for any trouble this has caused.
I'm sure there is some clearing up to do. But what will come of it, who knows?
The Menzingen-denizens are just waiting for their chance to snip off someone's
head these days, and that is EVIL!!
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"believes their disobedience was very serious"
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"believes their disobedience was very serious"
You made a mistake in the quote feature, Matto. I did not say that.
It goes like this:
He said that he did mention us as a family that had their children confirmed in Post Falls and he continues to warn everyone against the “Resistance priests” and Bishop Williamson. He believes their disobedience was very serious. I hope I have what he told me correct this time.
I had some comments on bvmknight's report. I suppose Fr. Johnson is one of
those who is not allowed to use the Internet, because if he could, it would be
great for him to come in here to give his version of this. And if he could, he
would have, already. And he has not, for if he had we would know it, even if
he were to use an unidentified username: we would know it is him, trust me.
And then, of course, there would be consequences. It seems to be the case
that he has chosen to avoid the consequences, and we can hardly blame him
for that. Still, there is some confusion boiling out of this and IMO it isn't doing
the Faithful any good, Resistance Faithful or NOT.
...........The screw turns...........
It seems bvmknight is worried that his family was mentioned in context of
having done something that they should not have done, and I can entirely
agree with that, because I would be concerned too, if that were said about
my family. I'll tell you this much: if I had a son or daughter who needed
Confirmation I would have been highly likely to have booked the trip
necessary for the sacrament in February as bvmknight did. I came close to
making the trip even WITHOUT having a confirmandus in tow!!
And I can assure you, I would not be afraid to take this up in person with Fr.
Johnson. This would be Fr. Michael Johnson. He is not one to be difficult to
speak with. I really hope there is some kind of misunderstanding going on.
...........Another turn...........
Remember, though, 'misunderstandings' can have serious consequences in
the SSPX. Fr. Hector Bolduc purchased all of St. Mary's Kansas parish
property with his own money, and started the parish there when there was
only two Faithful in the area. And he built not only the physical structure
but the people who support it. Then he went to Winona Minnesota and did
it all over again. Then he went to other places and got them started. He
did all that, with his own money, time, trouble and effort, and what did the
Society do for him? Expelled him. Why? It was a misunderstanding.
But did Fr. Bolduc ever complain about it? Not a word. That's a tough act
to follow! If I were Fr. Johnson, I don't think I would even want to get started
down that road.
...........???????????...........
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If there a reason for not mentioning which chapel this is happening at? If so, would someone PM me w/location? It sounds like one I would rather avoid in my travels.
Marsha
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[Is] there a reason for not mentioning which chapel this is happening at? If so, would someone PM me w/location? It sounds like one I would rather avoid in my travels.
Marsha
If you had been reading posts on CathInfo for the past few months, you would
know that bvmknight and hollingsworth are from Post Falls, Idaho, plus, put that
together with the following post...
Bvm, you say the sermon was not directed specifically towards you and your [family]. Sounds pretty thin to me, in that several people who were there apparently testify that you were singled out. Did they all get it wrong[?]
I have written Fr. Johnson a personal letter and hand delivered it yesterday to the ICC priory office. I wanted to corroborate with him that he had either said these things or had not. I told him that this was all online now, and it needed to be cleared up and explained.
I know Father Johnson pretty well. I used to make confessions to him, and I served him at Mass on a number of occasions. He was ordained by Bp. Williamson about 4 years ago, I think. He is an older priest, though junior to me by about 10 years. Fr. Johnson had high praise for Bp. Williamson at one time. In fact, he told me, had the bishop not stepped in during the 80s the whole work in the U.S. would have been lost. The Archbishop was ready to pack it all in and go back to Europe after "the nine" had had their fling. The SSPX then was at the point of abandoning our shores.
... and then you would know that Immaculate Conception Church in Post
Falls is the location in question.
So it was "mentioned" but not obviously. As for "avoiding it" if I were
to be traveling through there, I would want to stop in to collect some context
and bearings, so I would more accurately understand what I'm reading later.
It always helps to have been to a place if you're going to hear people talking
about things that happened there. History has significance in the geographical
locations where events took place.
And there is something going on in Post Falls regarding the Catholic Faith.
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I received a handwritten reply next day from Fr. Johnson. I will not reveal the full contents of his short letter. Suffice to say, he offered no disclaimers or clarifications. He did not assure me that his words from the pulpit had not been directed at bvmknight and her family. Rather he chided the two priests and Bp. Williamson for failure to keep "solemn promises of obedience." Maybe Father felt that the best defense is a good offense; I don't know. In any case, what he reportedly said to bvmknight by way of explanation, he did not say to me.
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We are not in Post Falls. The chapel I was referring to is near Seattle, Washington.
I did not mean to cause confusion. I did not post it because I felt we deserved an apology. I was just trying to let people know the attitude toward the Resistance priests and especially toward Bishop Williamson.
The good news is that many more people showed up for the Stations of the Cross this past Friday.
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I received a handwritten reply next day from Fr. Johnson. I will not reveal the full contents of his short letter. Suffice to say, he offered no disclaimers or clarifications. He did not assure me that his words from the pulpit had not been directed at bvmknight and her family. Rather he chided the two priests and Bp. Williamson for failure to keep "solemn promises of obedience." Maybe Father felt that the best defense is a good offense; I don't know. In any case, what he reportedly said to bvmknight by way of explanation, he did not say to me.
If wrong, I would always encourage a person to apologise. I wouldn't grovel to SSPX clergy. With respect to them they know more than they are letting on. Anybody who challenges will be regarded as "disobedient". It's only natural they will close ranks to save face for their pious union. They know something is wrong but will close ranks to protect themselves.
A priest should do what is right and oppose what is wrong.
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John Grace:
It's only natural they (sspx priests) will close ranks to save face for their pious union. They know something is wrong but will close ranks to protect themselves.
A priest should do what is right and oppose what is wrong.
Yes, they all know that something is wrong. But, nevertheless, they close ranks, as you say. It's the 'my-country-right-or-wrong' atttitude. These priests exhibit a misplaced and ill-advised 'patriotism,' IMO
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John Grace: It's only natural they (sspx priests) will close ranks to save face for their pious union. They know something is wrong but will close ranks to protect themselves.
A priest should do what is right and oppose what is wrong.
Yes, they all know that something is wrong. But, nevertheless, they close ranks, as you say. It's the 'my-country-right-or-wrong' atttitude. These priests exhibit a misplaced and ill-advised 'patriotism,' IMO
It's not a bad thing to close ranks but I don't accept the priests don't know what is going on. Like the laity, they are either for an agreement or not. I realise many will stick with Bishop Fellay no matter what.
At this stage I think priests like Fr Pfeiffer need our support. It's positive that an organic resistance has emerged.
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We are not in Post Falls. The chapel I was referring to is near Seattle, Washington.
Corpus Christi Church?
I did not mean to cause confusion. I did not post it because I felt we deserved an apology. I was just trying to let people know the attitude toward the Resistance priests and especially toward Bishop Williamson.
The good news is that many more people showed up for the Stations of the Cross this past Friday.
It's always good news for more attendees for Stations. They might be getting
into the swing for Holy Week - it's next week, you know...
It would be nice to have any fog cleared up before Holy Week, but that could be
a long shot, by the looks of things.