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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: magdalena on October 16, 2015, 07:25:12 PM
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Posted by request of Suzanne Romano
48,000 SACRIFICES
I have made the decision to leave OLMC. This decision is based upon the facts that a) William Moran was allowed to use the main altar at OLMC for both daily and Sunday Mass, after the information from the Orthodox websites was made available to Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer (I myself gave him the info); b) William Moran, per Fr. Pfeiffer's admission, is servicing missions in both Phoenix and Colorado; c) Fr. Pfeiffer is making the simultaneous claims that he has ample proof that Moran is the real deal AND that they are "still investigating him" (an absolute contradiction in terms and in of conduct - for by his conduct Fr. Pfeiffer has clearly already absorbed him into his apostolate);" and d) OLMC is not addressing legitimate public concerns, but is rather calling these concerns "lies and persecutions."
I have teamed up with a traditional Catholic priest, validly ordained by the SSPX, who is more than willing to engage in a full spectrum spiritual warfare campaign to save the souls, and hopefully the apostolate, of Fathers Pfeiffer and Hewko. He will be performing sacrifices and offering prayers and Masses for this intention.
He proposed a campaign of spiritual sacrifices, using the sacrifice beads of the Little FLower if these can be made available, with a concrete goal of 48,000 sacrifices. There will be no tallies. The sacrifices will be delivered directly into the hand of Our Lady of Quito by the person making them. She will keep the count. She alone knows what is the real cost of what we seek; and so She alone will determine when enough sacrifices have been offered to obtain the deliverance of our beloved priests. You may or may not wish to count your sacrifices. The priest said counting is merely a mechanism of motivation. We also use the analogy of Divine Justice and Mercy to motivate ourselves. The priest is interested in the writings of Palau, and has asked me to send him a copy of the Struggle of the Soul With God.
Here is a straight quote from this priest: "Our work of prayer and sacrifice should follow the pattern laid down by Our Lady of Fatima and build on the Rosary and the sacrifices necessary to fulfill our duty of state in a holy, yet hidden way. Therefore, it is most suitable that spiritual reading, daily meditation, Mass be part of our routine, in the spirit of reparation to Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart, and through Her Heart, for the intentions of Her Heart regarding Fr. Joseph, and Fr. Hewko, who are sons of Her predilection."
Another quote from the priest: "Important sacrifices for you in your area, close to the area of combat is this: sedulously extirpate all recriminatory, accusatory, complaining, dark & investigative, incisive interior comments on people and THEIR INTENTIONS, angry thoughts because of the witnessed injustices etc. This interior struggle on your part is of the utmost importance. I urge you to avoid harboring evil thoughts towards others and, if the temptation should arise, to avoid acting like the upright crusader who deigns to assist at Mass for the salvation of all the other sinners there . . . . let us number ourselves – as I am sure you already do – among the sinners . . . . mortify your curiosity to know the latest . . . the latest, if serious, will be obvious later on.
"Try to go one step further, and remember what St. Peter Faber, St. Ignatius, and other holy missionaries have said; namely, that if we wish to do good for others, we must have charity for them, and this means that we should esteem them in our heart, refusing to demean them in the forum of our own mind. St. Therese of the Child Jesus noted the same in her autobiography regarding her novices whom she needed to correct.
"Meanwhile, let us be generous without being drained. We must fulfill our duty of state in a calm spirit of following the Grace of God and making our hearts true resting places for the Sacred Heart of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart of Mary, taking refuge frequently in Mary’s Immaculate Heart. We must do the small sacrifices, especially accepting the ones that Providence sends, and we must persevere . . . Salvation of others does not depend upon us, but depends upon us in union with Jesus and Mary alone. The devil will try to make the concern for the salvation of others ruin ourselves in a variety of ways, but we must not let this happen by taking care of our own soul first, and our neighbor’s soul in and through the Sorrowful and Immaculate Heart Mary."
This priest advised me that I must leave OLMC when Ambrose is entered in. His words: "If Ambrose enters, then the balance of the common good cancels the benefits of Mass there, and you shouldn’t go anymore, since reparatory action for Fr. Pfeiffer and Fr. Hewko, and indeed for all priests, can continue elsewhere."
I have to get off the internet now, except for posting good spiritual works on the PV forum.
I cannot post any replies here.
I simply ask you to offer prayers and sacrifices for two well beloved priests.
suzanneromano
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I have no objection to this particular "crusade" of hers, except that once again she's placing herself at the front of the church, if not at the pulpit itself, to lead the Catholic faithful. (cf. 1 Corinthians 14:34 "Let women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted them to speak, but to be subject, as also the law saith.")
I only need to point out that this Susanne Romano is a dogmatic home aloner now, not just a de-facto one because she will no longer support Fr. Pfeiffer's group (because of Ambrose Moran).
She has lost faith in ALL the Trad groups, including Fr. Pfeiffer's group, Bishop Williamson and anyone associated with him, while also opposing the neo-SSPX and sedevacantists. I was actually surprised, as I read this, to hear that there is still a priest she will deign to talk to and treat as a priest. I guess she's not "all the way gone" yet. Give her another year?
Her "forum", founded by her, is called Manly Fighters (in Latin). It fits her, in a way, but it's still somewhat ironic.
I read her announcement. She said if you wanted to talk about any existing Trad groups, including "Pfeiffer, Fellay, or Williamson" then take it elsewhere. Her group was about moving on from the failure that is the Trad movement. She was giving up on "traditional Catholicism" as any kind of organized force.
We don't need to "figure out what went wrong" on some ivory tower where we indiscriminately shoot venom at all and sundry -- including 99% of the clerics in the Traditional movement. Or a group of Catholics who have "moved on" from that old Traditional movement. They (I shouldn't make them sound like a decent sized group; I should be more specific: "both of them") are basically home aloners. That is certainly not what is needed.
Remember that ladder of trust I've spoken about in the past? She's about on the bottom rung: home-aloneism, with only complete despair beneath her. Beware that path.
She, and anyone who adheres to her "movement" will try to prove us, the naysayers, wrong by a last burst of zeal, activity, prayer crusades, etc. but make no mistake: cutting yourself off from the sacraments is a dangerous and deadly thing, long term. Once a person cuts himself off from God's grace, the life-giving sap of the Church, he will always wither. We are creatures and God is the creator; we need God and his grace, and Mass and the sacraments is how God wants to give us a regular increase in sanctifying grace, as well as many actual graces.
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Fr. Pfeiffer is making the simultaneous claims that he has ample proof that Moran is the real deal AND that they are "still investigating him" (an absolute contradiction in terms and of conduct - for by his conduct Fr. Pfeiffer has clearly already absorbed him into his apostolate);" and d) OLMC is not addressing legitimate public concerns, but is rather calling these concerns "lies and persecutions."
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This priest advised me that I must leave OLMC when Ambrose is entered in. His words: "If Ambrose enters, then the balance of the common good cancels the benefits of Mass there, and you shouldn’t go anymore, since reparatory action for Fr. Pfeiffer and Fr. Hewko, and indeed for all priests, can continue elsewhere."
Sad state of affairs.......
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It is indeed a sad state of affairs all of the way around. I commend her for an effort which is a true Catholic response to the troubles in which these priests have found themselves. She is indeed a woman but she is moving by the advice and inspiration of a Catholic priest, and lame as it sounds where is the man who is advocating something like this? You at the back of the room...please stand up............
We really must begin building up the bond between Christians again instead of cutting them asunder with partisan attacks against priests, Bishops, and each other.
Sects and factions claiming exclusivity, in the Church, are the Devil's work.
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It is indeed a sad state of affairs all of the way around. I commend her for an effort which is a true Catholic response to the troubles in which these priests have found themselves. She is indeed a woman but she is moving by the advice and inspiration of a Catholic priest, and lame as it sounds where is the man who is advocating something like this? You at the back of the room...please stand up............
We really must begin building up the bond between Christians again instead of cutting them asunder with partisan attacks against priests, Bishops, and each other.
Sects and factions claiming exclusivity, in the Church, are the Devil's work.
That all sounds great, but I only know of one "sect" which is claiming exclusivity. I guess make that two: the SSPX (at least many of the laity) think the SSPX is synonymous with the Church. There are probably others too.
But not all believe they have exclusivity.
And you assume that the rest of us aren't doing anything, just because we're not banging on pots and pans? Some of us are just living our Catholic lives, making countless sacrifices every day, known only to God and ourselves -- which all spiritual authors agree is much better than occasional "stupendous, news worthy" actions that you could literally write home to mother about.
Don't believe me, go look it up. The latter carries a risk of pride and patting ourselves on the back, as well as vainglory.
Slow and steady wins the race. Don't knock the Church's traditional teaching on "hidden virtues" and hidden prayers and sacrifices. Not all sacrifices have to be part of a campaign, be tallied by your local Trad chapel, or be part of some symbolic number to be worth anything.
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Well we all know Matthew that you have been accused of being a "tradcuмenist." I have also been called the same for having similar views and not "excommunicating" other trad groups.
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Well we all know Matthew that you have been accused of being a "tradcuмenist." I have also been called the same for having similar views and not "excommunicating" other trad groups.
Excuse my unkind expression but who cares what the fools in the "gated communities" say. They are blinded by their own devotions. They make up any nonsensical label so they can better ridicule their fellow Catholics. They are certainly quick to sideswipe the peace of Christ among His flock.
None of us is perfect, and we are all feeling our way through this devilish fog which has enveloped the Church. All of the old maxims about divided we fall are clearly demonstrated in today's neo-traditional movement. It's" every man for himself" out there.
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I only need to point out that this Susanne Romano is a dogmatic home aloner now, not just a de-facto one because she will no longer support Fr. Pfeiffer's group (because of Ambrose Moran).
That is quite an exaggeration. I've known dogmatic home-aloners. They are, as the word implies, home-aloners who hold to their position as a dogma. They believe it is sinful to patronize traditional priests of any variety because of various violations of divine law.
At worst, she is a "sentimental" home-aloner-- avoiding traditional groups because of the continued disappointment they've brought her. And I'm not even saying that's true, I don't think it is. There's a difference between being non-partisan and being a home-aloner.
She has lost faith in ALL the Trad groups, including Fr. Pfeiffer's group, Bishop Williamson and anyone associated with him, while also opposing the neo-SSPX and sedevacantists. I was actually surprised, as I read this, to hear that there is still a priest she will deign to talk to and treat as a priest. I guess she's not "all the way gone" yet. Give her another year?
Point in case. A dogmatic home-aloner does not have priests they associate with.
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It is indeed a sad state of affairs all of the way around. I commend her for an effort which is a true Catholic response to the troubles in which these priests have found themselves. She is indeed a woman but she is moving by the advice and inspiration of a Catholic priest, and lame as it sounds where is the man who is advocating something like this? You at the back of the room...please stand up............
We really must begin building up the bond between Christians again instead of cutting them asunder with partisan attacks against priests, Bishops, and each other.
Sects and factions claiming exclusivity, in the Church, are the Devil's work.
That all sounds great, but I only know of one "sect" which is claiming exclusivity. I guess make that two: the SSPX (at least many of the laity) think the SSPX is synonymous with the Church. There are probably others too.
But not all believe they have exclusivity.
And you assume that the rest of us aren't doing anything, just because we're not banging on pots and pans? Some of us are just living our Catholic lives, making countless sacrifices every day, known only to God and ourselves -- which all spiritual authors agree is much better than occasional "stupendous, news worthy" actions that you could literally write home to mother about.
Don't believe me, go look it up. The latter carries a risk of pride and patting ourselves on the back, as well as vainglory.
Slow and steady wins the race. Don't knock the Church's traditional teaching on "hidden virtues" and hidden prayers and sacrifices. Not all sacrifices have to be part of a campaign, be tallied by your local Trad chapel, or be part of some symbolic number to be worth anything.
Matthew,
I don't assume anything like that.
I believe you.
I don't knock the Church's teaching.
I don't believe in publicized prayer campaigns with tallies, tabs, and inspirational jabs to get folks to sign the papers.
I believe in "pray in secret and there tell the Father of your needs."
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d) OLMC is not addressing legitimate public concerns, but is rather calling these concerns "lies and persecutions."
Someone took a lesson from Menzingen, and "lies and persecutions" is synonymous with "Internet rumours."
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d) OLMC is not addressing legitimate public concerns, but is rather calling these concerns "lies and persecutions."
Someone took a lesson from Menzingen, and "lies and persecutions" is synonymous with "Internet rumours."
That is just how that struck me as well.
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I only need to point out that this Susanne Romano is a dogmatic home aloner now, not just a de-facto one because she will no longer support Fr. Pfeiffer's group (because of Ambrose Moran).
That is quite an exaggeration. I've known dogmatic home-aloners. They are, as the word implies, home-aloners who hold to their position as a dogma. They believe it is sinful to patronize traditional priests of any variety because of various violations of divine law.
At worst, she is a "sentimental" home-aloner-- avoiding traditional groups because of the continued disappointment they've brought her. And I'm not even saying that's true, I don't think it is. There's a difference between being non-partisan and being a home-aloner.
She has lost faith in ALL the Trad groups, including Fr. Pfeiffer's group, Bishop Williamson and anyone associated with him, while also opposing the neo-SSPX and sedevacantists. I was actually surprised, as I read this, to hear that there is still a priest she will deign to talk to and treat as a priest. I guess she's not "all the way gone" yet. Give her another year?
Point in case. A dogmatic home-aloner does not have priests they associate with.
You're right, she's more than "de-facto" home aloner who just doesn't happen to have a Mass nearby, but she (at least right now) hasn't crossed over into the fully dogmatic home-aloner category.
She does it for her "beliefs" or "convictions", but it's more of a sentiment or feeling thing, as you say. She's merely given up on all the groups.
But does that have anything to do with dogma? To me reality, truth and dogma are very, very closely related. If she says "they're all rotten" doesn't that imply some measure of belief/dogma to it?
Do all dogmatic home-aloners believe that all Trad priests are not priests, or that their masses are sinful? Or can some of them believe they are all too dangerous to hang around for other reasons?
It's true she's not saying they aren't priests, but she says there is something SO WRONG with all of them that she doesn't even want to waste a single brain cell thinking or talking about them any more. That might not be dogmatic, but what is it then?
Still, a distinction should be made between her and actual dogmatic home-aloners, since such a distinction exists.
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She has a forum? I see her as more of a blogger where only one opinion is expressed.
Who is hosting it?
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I only need to point out that this Susanne Romano is a dogmatic home aloner now, not just a de-facto one because she will no longer support Fr. Pfeiffer's group (because of Ambrose Moran).
That is quite an exaggeration. I've known dogmatic home-aloners. They are, as the word implies, home-aloners who hold to their position as a dogma. They believe it is sinful to patronize traditional priests of any variety because of various violations of divine law.
At worst, she is a "sentimental" home-aloner-- avoiding traditional groups because of the continued disappointment they've brought her. And I'm not even saying that's true, I don't think it is. There's a difference between being non-partisan and being a home-aloner.
She has lost faith in ALL the Trad groups, including Fr. Pfeiffer's group, Bishop Williamson and anyone associated with him, while also opposing the neo-SSPX and sedevacantists. I was actually surprised, as I read this, to hear that there is still a priest she will deign to talk to and treat as a priest. I guess she's not "all the way gone" yet. Give her another year?
Point in case. A dogmatic home-aloner does not have priests they associate with.
You're right, she's more than "de-facto" home aloner who just doesn't happen to have a Mass nearby, but she (at least right now) hasn't crossed over into the fully dogmatic home-aloner category.
She does it for her "beliefs" or "convictions", but it's more of a sentiment or feeling thing, as you say. She's merely given up on all the groups.
But does that have anything to do with dogma? To me reality, truth and dogma are very, very closely related. If she says "they're all rotten" doesn't that imply some measure of belief/dogma to it?
Do all dogmatic home-aloners believe that all Trad priests are not priests, or that their masses are sinful? Or can some of them believe they are all too dangerous to hang around for other reasons?
It's true she's not saying they aren't priests, but she says there is something SO WRONG with all of them that she doesn't even want to waste a single brain cell thinking or talking about them any more. That might not be dogmatic, but what is it then?
Still, a distinction should be made between her and actual dogmatic home-aloners, since such a distinction exists.
I share many of the same sentiments. I would say it's "more than a feeling."
One does right to avoid and disassociate from scandal. If one's dealings in tradition are inundated with scandal, from what point do we judge? If we are blessed enough to always or even periodically deal with good, holy, and irreproachable priests-- then God has found fit to bless us. Not all are so fortunate. And as none of these priests have any proper authority, we are not bound to patronize them. It is a prudential decision to avail ourselves of these priests. Sometimes, prudence demands they be avoided.
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I believe in the present moment who necessarily wants or needs to go to mass: It does not matter whether the priest is part of the SSPX or Institute of Christ the King, that's what counts ist that the priest himself, loves God, is teaching the true catholic doctrine (and does not try to convert us to conciliar and schismatic people). Because the SSPX is betraying our Lord RIGHT NOW, as well betraying the Archbishop Lefebvre, I would not attend any SSPX Mass! I do not want to be there at this betrayal! If I would have a family with many children, I would certainly go for example, to the holy mass of a good and kindly priest of the Institute Christ the King. Most priests became Priests in this Institute with good intentions! But the priests in the SSPX are right now betraying the own founder and Christ! No, I refuse to enter the SSPX chapel, chapels where Christ through the superior and most of the priests, is slaughtered. Maybe it is better to go to the indult mass... this would be better, because most priests knows neither Lefebvre nor that that they are doing something wrong. But the SSPX priests are not innocent! They know what they do! No matter what, it is good to find a good catholic and humble priest, and not priests who think to be the Pope!
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I detect a very distinct tone of despair in [Suzanne Romano]'s post. And that's a direct consequence of the Pfeifferian cult programming that the Boston compound was the last remaining remnant of Catholicism in the world. I detected that tone very early on in Father Pfeiffer's sermons, called it out, and was attacked for it -- but it was clearly there. This impression was subsequently confirmed by the red-lighting of even other Resistance priests. So, sure, for the Pfeiferrian cultist, when Boston fails, that might as well be considered as the defection of the Church itself. Magdalena needs to get de-programmed from that mentality.
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I detect a very distinct tone of despair in magdalena's post. And that's a direct consequence of the Pfeifferian cult programming that the Boston compound was the last remaining remnant of Catholicism in the world. I detected that tone very early on in Father Pfeiffer's sermons, called it out, and was attacked for it -- but it was clearly there. This impression was subsequently confirmed by the red-lighting of even other Resistance priests. So, sure, for the Pfeiferrian cultist, when Boston fails, that might as well be considered as the defection of the Church itself. Magdalena needs to get de-programmed from that mentality.
Ladislaus: Magdalena Posted it by request of Suzanne Romano. It is Suzanne Romano who needs to be reprogrammed,or deprogrammed,take your pick.
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Thank you, Richard. I must say, however, that prayer and sacrifices are definitely needed during these troubled times in which we find ourselves.
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Thank you, Richard. I must say, however, that prayer and sacrifices are definitely needed during these troubled times in which we find ourselves.
Indeed.
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heheh, Ms. Romano isn't being despairing, just extreme. Funny.
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It doesn't surprise me that Suzzane Romano is now fallen away from traditional Catholicism as someone had commented. She doesn't seem to have maintained any position for very long and my memory fails me but I think she wasn't even raised Catholic (which is neither here nor there). Apparently she started out at the diocese went to SSPX and then the resistance...in 2008 she affixed her name to a docuмent of the Remnant in international support for Benedict's changing of the good Friday liturgy... :scratchchin:
http://remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/archive-2008-0215-declaration-in-support-of-pope.htm
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It doesn't surprise me that Suzzane Romano is now fallen away from traditional Catholicism as someone had commented. She doesn't seem to have maintained any position for very long and my memory fails me but I think she wasn't even raised Catholic (which is neither here nor there). Apparently she started out at the diocese went to SSPX and then the resistance...in 2008 she affixed her name to a docuмent of the Remnant in international support for Benedict's changing of the good Friday liturgy... :scratchchin:
http://remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/archive-2008-0215-declaration-in-support-of-pope.htm
If you will read this letter, it is essentially a show of support in favor of not letting the Jews further influence Catholic doctrine and liturgy, something which in the first place is none of their business.
This unholy influence being handed over to them at the false council, the Jєωιѕн council of Vatican II.
A surprising development among the milquetoast Remnant/indult crowd.
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I detect a very distinct tone of despair in magdalena's post. And that's a direct consequence of the Pfeifferian cult programming that the Boston compound was the last remaining remnant of Catholicism in the world. I detected that tone very early on in Father Pfeiffer's sermons, called it out, and was attacked for it -- but it was clearly there. This impression was subsequently confirmed by the red-lighting of even other Resistance priests. So, sure, for the Pfeiferrian cultist, when Boston fails, that might as well be considered as the defection of the Church itself. Magdalena needs to get de-programmed from that mentality.
Ladislaus: Magdalena Posted it by request of Suzanne Romano. It is Suzanne Romano who needs to be reprogrammed,or deprogrammed,take your pick.
Ms. Romano has made the first steps on that by beginning a good Catholic work, and by separating herself from the morass and the unhealthy goings on at OLMC.