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Offline DecemRationis

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Re: 2026 episcopal consecrations by Bp. Zendejas
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2026, 12:37:20 AM »
Quote from: Matthew on July 01, 2026, 09:15:12 PM
But isn't this wild?



The CURRENT Superior General is saying that BOTH PARTIES (the SSPX as well as Modernist Rome) have a genuine love for the Truth and for souls "at all times"!

And who says the SSPX hasn't changed? Is this how they train their priests now? They aren't even Traditional anymore!

I'm sorry, but +ABL would be turning over in his grave if he weren't enjoying the Beatific Vision at the moment. This is diametrically opposed to everything +ABL ever said, or stood for. If you're going to go THIS HARD against your Founder, his beliefs, principles and intentions, why not just start your own society?

On first blush, I thought Pagliarani's homily at the consecrations today was darn good. And then . . . there was that horrible. Great reminder, and the juxtaposition of what Pagliarani said today and the above says a lot about the current SSPX. 

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Offline madwoman

Re: 2026 episcopal consecrations by Bp. Zendejas
« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2026, 01:32:19 PM »
The difference between Bishop Williamson consecrating bishops and the SSPX consecrating bishops is that the SSPX, in 1988 and now went thru the proper channels for papal approval even though they knew both time they would not get it.  The resistance and sedavacantist do not and did not.  The Pope is still the head of the Catholic church even though he is in great error.  Our Lady said and warned us about bad Popes, bishops, cardinals, priests to come, but she didn't say don't recognize that the Pope is not Pope. Sedavacantist position, and now the resistance taking that position is very concerning. We must try to reach out to Rome because that is the head of the Catholic church like it or not.  We do not have to follow them into heresy and error though.  The SSPX did everything correctly. I'm not saying the SSPX is perfect, but by their fruits you will know them.  They are thriving even with some mistakes along the way. stay strong SSPX!
  
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Offline Matthew

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Re: 2026 episcopal consecrations by Bp. Zendejas
« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2026, 02:03:15 PM »
Quote from: madwoman on July 02, 2026, 01:32:19 PM
The difference between Bishop Williamson consecrating bishops and the SSPX consecrating bishops is that the SSPX, in 1988 and now went thru the proper channels for papal approval even though they knew both time they would not get it.  The resistance and sedavacantist do not and did not.  The Pope is still the head of the Catholic church even though he is in great error.  Our Lady said and warned us about bad Popes, bishops, cardinals, priests to come, but she didn't say don't recognize that the Pope is not Pope. Sedavacantist position, and now the resistance taking that position is very concerning. We must try to reach out to Rome because that is the head of the Catholic church like it or not.  We do not have to follow them into heresy and error though.  The SSPX did everything correctly. I'm not saying the SSPX is perfect, but by their fruits you will know them.  They are thriving even with some mistakes along the way. stay strong SSPX!
 

The SSPX isn't strong at all. They have completely compromised all over the place, in countless ways. They have gone against their founder Archbishop Lefebvre who would sternly rebuke them today, if he were still alive.

The changes, compromises, and contradictions of the SSPX are so numerous, you could make a book with 1000 of them. Sean Johnson was able to collate a book with 101 such compromises just a few years into the New SSPX era. But frankly, it's too easy now. Every single chapel works with their diocese and diocese-friendly groups as much as possible, and it's not even remarkable anymore.

Here's a convenient, short link to Sean's collation of evidence against the SSPX. Easy to hand-write on bulletins, flyers, napkins, bathroom walls, etc.
https://www.cathinfo.com/c.htm

But claiming that Modern Rome has a love of the Truth -- that's a complete betrayal and compromise. And your Superior General, Fr. Pagliarani, said it. Just 4 months ago, too!


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...let us consider Father Pagliarani's words written to Cardinal Fernández.
 
Let us reread an excerpt from the General Council's response to the Prefect of the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, dated February 18, 2026:
"For the Society’s part, a doctrinal discussion has always been—and remains—desirable and useful. Indeed, even if we do not reach an agreement, fraternal exchanges allow us to better know one another, to refine and deepen our own arguments, and to better understand the spirit and intentions behind our interlocutor’s positions—especially their genuine love for the Truth, for souls, and for the Church. THIS HOLDS TRUE , AT ALL TIMES, FOR BOTH PARTIES.
[Response from the SSPX General Council to the Prefect of the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, Ash Wednesday, February 18, 2026.]
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: 2026 episcopal consecrations by Bp. Zendejas
« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2026, 02:10:00 PM »
Quote from: madwoman on July 02, 2026, 01:32:19 PM
The difference between Bishop Williamson consecrating bishops and the SSPX consecrating bishops is that the SSPX, in 1988 and now went thru the proper channels for papal approval even though they knew both time they would not get it.

Riiight.  So SSPX get an "A for effort" and the old "participation trophy".  Doesn't matter that the end result only proved Bishop Wiiliamson correct.

So, the perfect analogy here is ... SSPX says "we must make an effort to run 25 miles in 30 seconds."  Williamson says, "I'm not going to bother, since it's an exercise in futility, plus you might get a heart attack trying."

But even though the end result is the same, there is a formal difference, namely where the SSPX are so weak regading their profession of the Traditional faith that they believe it to be COMPATIBLE with the Novus Ordo Religion, and capable of existing side by side with it.  +Willamson said (correctly) that it's not.

This is quite similar to the debate between "Bishop" Athanasius Schneider and Archbishop Vigano, where the former thinks that Vatican I can be fixed, and that a few accidental course corrections can restore the Church, whereas +Vigano held that the two are radically incompatible, and that there can be no (Hegelian) synthesis between the two, and the Conciliar Religion, with all its pomps, and all its works, i.e. Vatican II, the NOM, the new "saints", the new moral law, 60 years of Modernist pseudo-Magisterium, it needs to all be disposed of tidily in the waste bin before there's any hope of a restoration ... since the two are radically incompatible.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: 2026 episcopal consecrations by Bp. Zendejas
« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2026, 02:11:33 PM »
Quote from: Matthew on July 02, 2026, 02:03:15 PM
But claiming that Modern Rome has a love of the Truth -- that's a complete betrayal and compromise. And your Superior General, Fr. Pagliarani, said it. Just 4 months ago, too!

THIS ^^^
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