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Offline Jr1991

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Re: 2022 SSPX US transfers
« Reply #90 on: June 17, 2022, 11:47:06 AM »
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  • Wow, they are cleaning house in Sanford. Any chance Prior Toupee will get transferred?

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    Re: 2022 SSPX US transfers
    « Reply #91 on: June 17, 2022, 12:08:01 PM »
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  • Wow, they are cleaning house in Sanford. Any chance Prior Toupee will get transferred?

    Is that the one where the band leader comes up to the communion rail, and sways and frollips back and forth to the chant?
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    Re: 2022 SSPX US transfers
    « Reply #92 on: June 17, 2022, 12:30:51 PM »
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  • I heard fr. Fabula is going to Miami
    I heard he's going to Phoenix.
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    Re: 2022 SSPX US transfers
    « Reply #93 on: June 17, 2022, 12:43:43 PM »
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  • Against this view is Bishop Williamson, who’s whose “loose confederation of independents”
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    Re: 2022 SSPX US transfers
    « Reply #94 on: June 17, 2022, 05:53:10 PM »
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  • Fr. Pieroni 100% gets it. We are going to miss him.
    What do you mean 100% gets it?


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    Re: 2022 SSPX US transfers
    « Reply #95 on: June 19, 2022, 07:29:34 AM »
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  • What do you mean 100% gets it?
    Based, red-pilled and extremely clear minded about how the world works and the problems facing the modern man, both in a secular and spiritual way. 

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    Re: 2022 SSPX US transfers
    « Reply #96 on: June 19, 2022, 07:55:00 AM »
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  • Based, red-pilled and extremely clear minded about how the world works and the problems facing the modern man, both in a secular and spiritual way.
    I see, but is his ordination valid?

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    Re: 2022 SSPX US transfers
    « Reply #97 on: June 19, 2022, 09:46:42 AM »
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  • I see, but is his ordination valid?
    I don’t know. I suppose you could call him at the Ridgefield priory and ask him. The number is on the website. 


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    Re: 2022 SSPX US transfers
    « Reply #98 on: June 19, 2022, 10:33:26 AM »
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  • Is Fr Jacobs any good? Is there a picture of him somewhere, I feel like I should know him already, the name sounds familiar.
    Fr. Jacobs is very good!

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    Re: 2022 SSPX US transfers
    « Reply #99 on: June 19, 2022, 01:46:20 PM »
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  • Is that the one where the band leader comes up to the communion rail, and sways and frollips back and forth to the chant?

    Yes, that is him. 

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    Re: 2022 SSPX US transfers
    « Reply #100 on: June 19, 2022, 02:04:31 PM »
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  • I see, but is his ordination valid?
    I posted earlier in this thread that I had heard that Fr. Pieroni was conditionally reordained by one of the SSPX Bishops. Someone from my chapel told me
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    Re: 2022 SSPX US transfers
    « Reply #101 on: June 19, 2022, 03:52:32 PM »
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  • I posted earlier in this thread that I had heard that Fr. Pieroni was conditionally reordained by one of the SSPX Bishops. Someone from my chapel told me

    It's a scandal that we have to rely on hearsay to know whether someone has been conditionally ordained.  This should all be published publicly on the SSPX website.  There's been a long history in the SSPX, predating the neo-SSPX of performing conditional ordinations in a "hush hush" manner.

    There was a time in the mid-1990s where a mysterious "priest" (Father/Mr. Belland) showed up at STAS and was offering Mass at the main altar.  Both my brother Steve and I went digging to find out who he was ordained by.  He was in fact a Novus Ordo "priest".  But after digging we found that there was a secretive conditional ordination ceremony done.  We only found out by word of mouth from the sacristan who set up the bishop's chapel for the conditional.

    But that was not always the case, as in some instances the NO presider refused conditional ordination ... at which point he should have been shown the door.  In fact the case of one "Father" Stark was a huge reason for the split of The Nine.  Tragically, Archbishop Lefebvre sided with Stark and allowed him to continue simulating Mass at SSPX chapels and instead showed the Traditional priests the door for refusing to accept that.  No, the split of The Nine was NOT about sedevacantism, as is popularly (and incorrectly) believed.

    That's all due to politics with the Novus Ordo.  We can't say that the NO Rite of Ordination is doubtful or possibly invalid because that would be to impugn the Conciliar "hierarchy".

    Of course, if there's no positive doubt, it's a sacrilege to perform even a conditional ordination.  But if a conditional ordination is permitted, then there's positive doubt, and it's REQUIRED to perform one before subjecting the faithful to such dubious priests.  So the faithful have a right to know.

    This nonsense has plagued the SSPX since its early days I'm afraid.

    One incident that does amuse me, however, is the conditional ordination of Father Carlos Casavantes.  It's amusing because he was "ordained" to the priesthood directly by JP2 in Rome.  :laugh1:

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    Re: 2022 SSPX US transfers
    « Reply #102 on: June 19, 2022, 05:32:32 PM »
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  • It's a scandal that we have to rely on hearsay to know whether someone has been conditionally ordained.  This should all be published publicly on the SSPX website.  There's been a long history in the SSPX, predating the neo-SSPX of performing conditional ordinations in a "hush hush" manner.

    There was a time in the mid-1990s where a mysterious "priest" (Father/Mr. Belland) showed up at STAS and was offering Mass at the main altar.  Both my brother Steve and I went digging to find out who he was ordained by.  He was in fact a Novus Ordo "priest".  But after digging we found that there was a secretive conditional ordination ceremony done.  We only found out by word of mouth from the sacristan who set up the bishop's chapel for the conditional.

    But that was not always the case, as in some instances the NO presider refused conditional ordination ... at which point he should have been shown the door.  In fact the case of one "Father" Stark was a huge reason for the split of The Nine.  Tragically, Archbishop Lefebvre sided with Stark and allowed him to continue simulating Mass at SSPX chapels and instead showed the Traditional priests the door for refusing to accept that.  No, the split of The Nine was NOT about sedevacantism, as is popularly (and incorrectly) believed.

    That's all due to politics with the Novus Ordo.  We can't say that the NO Rite of Ordination is doubtful or possibly invalid because that would be to impugn the Conciliar "hierarchy".

    Of course, if there's no positive doubt, it's a sacrilege to perform even a conditional ordination.  But if a conditional ordination is permitted, then there's positive doubt, and it's REQUIRED to perform one before subjecting the faithful to such dubious priests.  So the faithful have a right to know.

    This nonsense has plagued the SSPX since its early days I'm afraid.

    One incident that does amuse me, however, is the conditional ordination of Father Carlos Casavantes.  It's amusing because he was "ordained" to the priesthood directly by JP2 in Rome.  :laugh1:
    Yeah I'm not a fan of the "hush hush" conditional ordinations that go on with the SSPX. To be honest, from what I've seen and heard, the SSPX hasn't been consistent on the question of conditional ordinations. The main problem is with the new rite of episcopal consecration with its unclear form, and so now you have the vast majority of newly Novus Ordo priests who were ordained by new rite Bishops.
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    Re: 2022 SSPX US transfers
    « Reply #103 on: June 19, 2022, 06:19:54 PM »
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  • Yeah I'm not a fan of the "hush hush" conditional ordinations that go on with the SSPX. To be honest, from what I've seen and heard, the SSPX hasn't been consistent on the question of conditional ordinations. The main problem is with the new rite of episcopal consecration with its unclear form, and so now you have the vast majority of newly Novus Ordo priests who were ordained by new rite Bishops.

    Right.  I find both the Priestly Ordination and Episcopal Consecration to be highly problematic, and certainly enough to establish clear positive doubt.  Now, if I believed that the NO hierarchy were legitimate, I would dismiss any doubts I had because the Church, guided by the Holy Spirit, could not promulgate dubious Sacramental Rites.  So there is kindof a dialectic between SVism and the validity of NO Sacraments.

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    Re: 2022 SSPX US transfers
    « Reply #104 on: June 23, 2022, 12:41:22 AM »
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  • Any word on Fr. Deister of Our Lady Immaculate Church in Oak Park, IL?
    please pray for me