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« Reply #30 on: July 17, 2014, 07:12:33 AM »
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  • Priest #2 behind Fr. Chazal is Fr. Faure.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

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    « Reply #31 on: July 17, 2014, 09:46:44 AM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
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    Here's a picture of some of the participants, courtesy of francefidele.fr:



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    Fr. Hewko is on the right holding the candlestick.

    The Dominicans of Avrille are very much there--Fr. Pierre Marie, O.P., the Prior, is standing on the right of Bishop Williamson (as you look at the picture), Fr. Marie-Dominique, O.P. is the smiling face just to the right of Fr. Pierre-Marie, O.P. and just to the left of Fr. Hewko who is holding the candlestick. There are two others in the picture, but I am not sure of their names.

    Since the Dominican Fathers hosted this event, they are very much involved.

    I would like to remember the name of the one other priest with hands folded in prayer, like +W has.  He's on the right.  [Right#5]



    It seems this must be Fr. Pivert, Right#5.  

    Here is another photo of him, once again, standing with hands prayerfully folded (same hands, same surplice, same collar, same shoes, same hair, same ears, same nose, same glasses, same posture, only a little more serious expression):





    Here is an earlier photo from about 20 years ago, apparently (without the serious expression, but same ears, same nose, same eyes, same eyebrows (a little darker), same chin, same cheekbones, same collar! same haircut!):





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    I would suggest beginning with +W in the middle and going left to the priest just past Fr. Pfeiffer, then from +W to the right, making 3 more past Fr. Hewko.  Since they are not arranged in rows, you have to go side to side, regardless of front-to-back.

    Everyone's face is visible, and they can be described "horizontally" alone.  There are 9 on each side, 5 between +W and Fr. Hewko, and 6 between Fr. Chazal and Fr. Pfeiffer.  I thought the one on the far right might be Fr. Fernando Altamira, but I guess he's not.  The fleur-de-lis in the middle is a nice touch.



    Alleluia.                  

    (Time after Pentecost)                  


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    One vote for Fr. Pivert to be consecrated Bishop!  :thinking:

    100 years from now they'll have statues of Fr. Pivert that look just like this......

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    « Reply #32 on: July 17, 2014, 10:03:07 AM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
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    Here's a picture of some of the participants, courtesy of francefidele.fr:



    So far, we have:

    From +W left,
    1 - Fr. Chazal (French, of course),
    2 - one priest behind Fr. C.
    3 - one in the front row,
    4 - one in the back with the candlestick,
    5 - Dom Tomas Aquino in front,
    6 - a Benedictine just behind him, Fr. Bruno, OSB
    7 - one apparently French priest in the back
    8 - Fr. Pfeiffer
    9 - and another French priest in front;

    Then from +W to the right:
    1 - one Dominican (has a hood?) in the middle,
    2 - one tall priest in the back,
    3 - Fr. Pierre Marie, O.P. in front,
    4 - Fr. Marie-Dominique, O.P. smiling, just to the right of Fr. Pierre-Marie, O.P.
    5 - one French priest in the front with prayer-folded hands
    6 - Fr. Hewko in the back with the candlestick,
    7 - one taller priest in front with hands folded over his missal
    8 - one priest in the back,
    9 - and finally, the younger-looking one on the far right.

    If anyone can fill in the names that would be great!  You can use these numbers, just say Left#3, or Right#7.


    I don't know which Number the priest is at Bishop Williamson's immediate right, but this again is Fr. De Merode, the new superior of the Priestly Union(SSPX) in France. I think he is later referred to on this thread as priest #5 even though priest #5 is Dom Tomas Aquino.

    http://farfalline.blogspot.com.br/2014/06/carta-do-padre-roland-de-merode-ao.html
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

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    « Reply #33 on: July 17, 2014, 10:14:26 AM »
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    only thing i know is fr pfeiffer looks extremely relaxed and happy.  :dancing-banana: sorry francis, but the banana had to go in !


     :incense: :dancing-banana: :incense:  Frances being exorcised by Fr. Pfeiffer & Bp. W.?

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    « Reply #34 on: July 17, 2014, 10:45:06 AM »
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    If anyone can fill in the names that would be great!  You can use these numbers, just say Left#3, or Right#7.


    Here's my best stab at it:

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    Quote from: ancien regime
    Here's a picture of some of the participants, courtesy of francefidele.fr:



    So far, we have:

    From +W left,
    1 - Fr. Chazal (French, of course),
    2 - Fr. Faure
    3 - Fr. de Mérode
    4 - one in the back with the candlestick, - Fr. Fuchs?
    5 - Dom Tomas Aquino in front,
    6 - a Benedictine just behind him, Fr. Bruno, OSB
    7 - Fr. Rioult
    8 - Fr. Pfeiffer
    9 - Fr. Pinaud

    Then from +W to the right:
    1 - one Dominican (has a hood?) in the middle,
    2 - one tall priest in the back, - Fr. René Trincado
    3 - Fr. Pierre Marie, O.P. in front,
    4 - Fr. Marie-Dominique, O.P. smiling, just to the right of Fr. Pierre-Marie, O.P.
    5 - Fr. Pivert?
    6 - Fr. Hewko in the back with the candlestick,
    7 - one taller priest in front with hands folded over his missal
    8 - one priest in the back,
    9 - and finally, the younger-looking one on the far right. - Fr. Picot?


    Anyone who is sure, please point out any errors.  Thanks.


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    « Reply #35 on: July 17, 2014, 11:49:56 AM »
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  • number 5 is Fr. Pivert

    number 8 is Fr. Hyacinth-Marie, O.P.

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    « Reply #36 on: July 17, 2014, 12:10:36 PM »
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  • So far, we have:

    From +W left,
    1 - Fr. Chazal
    2 - Fr. Faure
    3 - Fr. de Mérode
    4 - with candlestick - Fr. Fuchs?
    5 - Dom Tomas Aquino in front,
    6 - a Benedictine just behind him, Fr. Bruno, OSB
    7 - Fr. Rioult
    8 - Fr. Pfeiffer
    9 - Fr. Pinaud

    Then from +W to the right:
    1 - Dominican
    2 - Fr. René Trincado?
    3 - Fr. Pierre Marie, O.P. in front,
    4 - Fr. Marie-Dominique, O.P.
    5 - Fr. Pivert
    6 - Fr. Hewko - with the candlestick,
    7 - one taller priest in front with hands folded over his missal
    8 - Fr. Hyacinth-Marie, O.P.
    9 - Fr. Picot?

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    « Reply #37 on: July 17, 2014, 12:25:16 PM »
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  • Quote from: Centroamerica
    Quote from: Neil Obstat
    Quote from: ancien regime
    Here's a picture of some of the participants, courtesy of francefidele.fr:



    So far, we have:

    From +W left,
    1 - Fr. Chazal (French, of course),
    2 - one priest behind Fr. C.
    3 - one in the front row,
    4 - one in the back with the candlestick,
    5 - Dom Tomas Aquino in front,
    6 - a Benedictine just behind him, Fr. Bruno, OSB
    7 - one apparently French priest in the back
    8 - Fr. Pfeiffer
    9 - and another French priest in front;

    Then from +W to the right:
    1 - one Dominican (has a hood?) in the middle,
    2 - one tall priest in the back,
    3 - Fr. Pierre Marie, O.P. in front,
    4 - Fr. Marie-Dominique, O.P. smiling, just to the right of Fr. Pierre-Marie, O.P.
    5 - Fr. Francois Pivert prayerfully folded hands, with one vote for bishop
    6 - Fr. Hewko in the back with the candlestick,
    7 - one taller priest in front with hands folded over his missal
    8 - one priest in the back,
    9 - and finally, the younger-looking one on the far right.

    If anyone can fill in the names that would be great!  You can use these numbers, just say Left#3, or Right#7.


    I don't know which Number the priest is at Bishop Williamson's immediate right [that would be Right#1], but this again is Fr. De Merode, the new superior of the Priestly Union(SSPX) in France. I think he is later referred to on this thread as priest #5 even though priest #5 is Dom Tomas Aquino.

    http://farfalline.blogspot.com.br/2014/06/carta-do-padre-roland-de-merode-ao.html


    Dom Tomas Aquino is Left#5.  You're saying Right#1 is Fr. de Merode.  And Centroamerica assures us he's Left#3.

    Okay!  This is progress!  

    +W proceeding left:
    Left#1 - Fr. Chazal
    Left#2 - Fr. Faure (correct?)
    Left#3 - (B from A thinks this is Fr. de Mérode, I say this is correct)
    Left#4 - (B from A says this is Fr. Fuchs)
    Left#5 - Dom Tomas Aquino
    Left#6 - Fr. Bruno OSB
    Left#7 - (B from A says it's Fr. Rioult <-- Sermon «Les canonisations» en Francais)*
    Left#8 - Fr. Pfeiffer
    Left#9 - (B from A says it's Fr. Pinaud)

    *Fr. Rioult begins and ends his sermon on « Les canonisations de jean XXIII et de Jean-Paul II » with a FLAWLESS Sign of the Cross in FRENCH!  Do you people know how lucky you are to have a priest who provides for you the spittin' image of the Curé d'Ars?!?!

    +W proceeding right:
    Right#1 - (Centroamerica says this is Fr. de Mérode)
    Right#2 - Fr. René Trincado
    Right#3 - Fr. Pierre Marie, O.P.
    Right#4 - Fr. Marie-Dominique, O.P.
    Right#5 - Fr. Francois Pivert
    Right#6 - Fr. David Hewko
    Right#7 - (no progress here!)
    Right#8 - - - - - (ditto)  ,,,,,,,,,,[ETA:  8 - Fr. Hyacinth-Marie, O.P. ]
    Right#9 - Fr. Picot

    ***WE NEED HELP WITH Right#7&8!!***




    Fr. Roland de Mérode


    Fr. Martin Fuchs (Declaration Letter @ TheRecusant):

    Wait...... there must be some mistake......see below......
    (The jockey's name is Martin Fuchs -- this is how 'Internet rumours' get started,
    but I can tell you one thing:  I'll never forget Fr. Fuch's first name now!  HAHAHAHA)



    Fr. Nicolas Pinaud:



    Fr. René Trincado:



    "Los Padres de Mérdode, Faure y Picot"  (In Los Angeles "Los Padres" is a National Forest! .........
    ..But you can't see the forest for the trees. HAHAHA):



    Note: "3JPG" below depicts Fr. Francois Pivert standing with prayerfully-folded hands, Fr. Rioult facing left behind him, Fr. Martin Fuchs seated at the right hand of +W, and Fr. David Hewko to his left, with a candle mounted on his head (:wink:).



    ..............please forgive me if I'm having too much fun with this but I think this whole story is really really exciting and I'm just having a hard time controlling myself here...............
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    « Reply #38 on: July 17, 2014, 12:32:52 PM »
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    Hey, guys, it just hit me -- how 'controversial' these priests are!   :laugh2:


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    « Reply #39 on: July 17, 2014, 12:39:23 PM »
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  • Quote from:  B from A

    Anyone who is sure, please point out any errors.  Thanks.



    It's really cute how you're worried about 'errors'!  


    (If only we were so concerned about our punctuation & grammar!  HAHAHAHA)

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    « Reply #40 on: July 17, 2014, 12:54:28 PM »
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    For CONSTRUCTION enthusiasts:

    These gray masonry walls behind these priests are obviously not in California.  Because in L.A., you would NEVER FIND concrete block walls with such oddball sizes for the blocks as these rectangles behind the priests' heads:




    ..some courses are 8" tall, some are 10", some are 9" and some courses are 7-1/2".  

    Some blocks are 16" wide, and some are 10", but others are 14" or 11" or 9-1/2" or 17", and this simply does not happen in California.  


    To top it off, some blocks turn the corner without any joint and the corner isn't 90 degrees.  GET A LOAD OF THOSE TWO RIGHT BEHIND +W's LEFT ELBOW:



    They have three exposed arises, two positive and one negative, with a vertical front face and one vertical side face at 60 degrees, joining a sloped inside top face with a 20% gradient!  They don't sell those at the materials yard!  It would take three months to special order one and it would cost an arm and a leg!  


    Wakeup call:  

    These walls are not concrete block.  They are SOLID STONE.  (but in L.A. they would say, "UNREINFORCED MASONRY!?!?")


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    « Reply #41 on: July 17, 2014, 02:39:21 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
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    For CONSTRUCTION enthusiasts:

    These gray masonry walls behind these priests are obviously not in California.  Because in L.A., you would NEVER FIND concrete block walls with such oddball sizes for the blocks as these rectangles behind the priests' heads:




    ..some courses are 8" tall, some are 10", some are 9" and some courses are 7-1/2".  

    Some blocks are 16" wide, and some are 10", but others are 14" or 11" or 9-1/2" or 17", and this simply does not happen in California.  


    To top it off, some blocks turn the corner without any joint and the corner isn't 90 degrees.  GET A LOAD OF THOSE TWO RIGHT BEHIND +W's LEFT ELBOW:



    They have three exposed arises, two positive and one negative, with a vertical front face and one vertical side face at 60 degrees, joining a sloped inside top face with a 20% gradient!  They don't sell those at the materials yard!  It would take three months to special order one and it would cost an arm and a leg!  


    Wakeup call:  

    These walls are not concrete block.  They are SOLID STONE.  (but in L.A. they would say, "UNREINFORCED MASONRY!?!?")


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    What you are seeing in these photographs is the interior of the chapel in the Couvent de la Haye aux Bonshommes, the home of the Dominicans in Avrille, France.

    The monastery was built in the 12th century. So, those stones are close to 900 years old--which is why they don't look like anything you would see in California, or anywhere else in the U.S.A.

    The land was donated to the Order of Grandmont by the Empress Maude (Mathilde), the second wife of Geoffroy Plantagenêt and the mother of Henry II of England. Henry II donated monies to the Grandmontains to found a monastery as a part of his penance for the murder in A.D. 1170 of St. Thomas à Becket, the Archbishop of Canterbury.

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    « Reply #42 on: July 17, 2014, 03:53:18 PM »
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  • It's a new group.   Not the original sspx created by archbishop
    Lefebvre.  How many others left Sspx and Vatican II
    To go toward scandal of sedevacantism or worse.  Might
    End up like urritiogoity.
    May God bless you and keep you

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    « Reply #43 on: July 17, 2014, 04:01:57 PM »
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  • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
    It's a new group.   Not the original sspx created by archbishop
    Lefebvre.


    Yet, it includes many of the original priests. How many were ordained by the Archbishop or attended Econe?

    How many in positions of power in the Society were close friends, ordained by, or went to Econe under the Archbishop?

    I can imagine how Fr. Bouchacourt would be treated by the Archbishop.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

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    « Reply #44 on: July 17, 2014, 05:05:46 PM »
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    The monastery was built in the 12th century. So, those stones are close to 900 years old--which is why they don't look like anything you would see in California, or anywhere else in the U.S.A.



    You wouldn't believe what they build to make a movie.  What it "looks like" is all that matters.  It takes a keen eye to notice that it's just a fake.  I had a friend visit here from Germany, and I showed him some of the sights.  When we passed a castle built on a hillside, he commented that's just like the castles in Germany on the Rhine.  I told him that what you see looks like it's stone but it's just wood framing covered with stucco, made to LOOK like it's stone, and it's only about 10 years old.  He didn't believe me so I had to give him a close-up encounter.  He was SCANDALIZED.  

    This is so much like the Neo-SSPX, really, because it's a question of substance.  Appearances are everything to a Modernist.  But substantive content is what matters to true Traditionalists.  

    Curiously, as marvelous as this ancient stonework is, if it were to stand in California, it probably would not survive two centuries or perhaps not even one year.  A magnitude 8.3 earthquake (which has never been recorded in France) has a way of turning unreinforced masonry into a heap of rubble.    

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