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Title: "UNION SACERDOTALE MARCEL LEFEBVRE"
Post by: untitled on July 16, 2014, 07:35:46 AM: The Priests of the Resistance in Avrillé meeting, decided to continue the SSPX under the name Union Sacerdotale Marcel Lefebvre. Since now it is the continuation of the work of Archbishop Lefebvre. It is the true SSPX.

The site Fidele France soon publish a letter to the Priests, by the Priests attending the meeting Avrillé, just ended.

Soure an photos: http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.fr/2014/07/surge-la-union-sacerdotal-marcel.html
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Post by: ancien regime on July 16, 2014, 08:53:58 AM: Here's a picture of some of the participants, courtesy of francefidele.fr:

(http://francefidele.fr/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Union-Sacerdotale.jpg)
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Post by: stgobnait on July 16, 2014, 09:12:38 AM: Excellent! :pray:
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Post by: Ladislaus on July 16, 2014, 09:14:10 AM: What ever happened to the "Strict Observance"?
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Post by: Francisco on July 16, 2014, 09:53:44 AM: Quote from: Ladislaus
What ever happened to the "Strict Observance"?

They are strictly observing the photographer in the picture posted by Ancien Regime !
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Post by: stgobnait on July 16, 2014, 10:07:34 AM: naw, not strictly ! :smirk:
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Post by: hollingsworth on July 16, 2014, 11:42:17 AM: So then, what message to we get from this photo of the new Union Sacerdotale? Is that not Bp. Williamson standing front and center? Does the bishop now recognize the new Avrille group as the true SSPX of the Archbishop? I do not perceive that he ever appeared that supportive of the "Resistance" here in the U.S. Someone set me straight.
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Post by: Mithrandylan on July 16, 2014, 12:12:13 PM: Quote from: hollingsworth
So then, what message to we get from this photo of the new Union Sacerdotale? Is that not Bp. Williamson standing front and center? Does the bishop now recognize the new Avrille group as the true SSPX of the Archbishop? I do not perceive that he ever appeared that supportive of the "Resistance" here in the U.S. Someone set me straight.

Fr. Pfeiffer is in the picture.
Title: "UNION SACERDOTALE MARCEL LEFEBVRE"
Post by: B from A on July 16, 2014, 12:14:29 PM: Quote from: Mithrandylan
Quote from: hollingsworth
So then, what message to we get from this photo of the new Union Sacerdotale? Is that not Bp. Williamson standing front and center? Does the bishop now recognize the new Avrille group as the true SSPX of the Archbishop? I do not perceive that he ever appeared that supportive of the "Resistance" here in the U.S. Someone set me straight.

Fr. Pfeiffer is in the picture.

And Fr. Hewko, Fr. Chazal, and some Benedictines from Brazil.
Title: "UNION SACERDOTALE MARCEL LEFEBVRE"
Post by: Francisco on July 16, 2014, 01:04:53 PM: Quote from: B from A
Quote from: Mithrandylan
Quote from: hollingsworth
So then, what message to we get from this photo of the new Union Sacerdotale? Is that not Bp. Williamson standing front and center? Does the bishop now recognize the new Avrille group as the true SSPX of the Archbishop? I do not perceive that he ever appeared that supportive of the "Resistance" here in the U.S. Someone set me straight.

Fr. Pfeiffer is in the picture.

And Fr. Hewko, Fr. Chazal, and some Benedictines from Brazil.

Where are the Avrillians then?
Title: "UNION SACERDOTALE MARCEL LEFEBVRE"
Post by: Centroamerica on July 16, 2014, 01:05:38 PM: It's a priestly union just live the Campos priests formed here in Brazil. Actually, I think it's brilliant. They can remain a loose association of priest without an official structure, but continue to function somewhat like a structure. It solves all the problems of lacking an official canonically erected society of priests, while continuing to function only as a union. It is like going back to the remedy of Bishop de Castro Mayer in his day.

I think it's the best news as of late. Now everyone can stop focusing on that derailing issue of being without a structured group. It certainly sounds like a good, temporary solution.
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Post by: B from A on July 16, 2014, 01:35:29 PM: Quote from: Francisco
Quote from: B from A
Quote from: Mithrandylan
Quote from: hollingsworth
So then, what message to we get from this photo of the new Union Sacerdotale? Is that not Bp. Williamson standing front and center? Does the bishop now recognize the new Avrille group as the true SSPX of the Archbishop? I do not perceive that he ever appeared that supportive of the "Resistance" here in the U.S. Someone set me straight.

Fr. Pfeiffer is in the picture.

And Fr. Hewko, Fr. Chazal, and some Benedictines from Brazil.

Where are the Avrillians then?

They're in the photo too. They're the monks in white. Looks like other SSPX priests such as Fr. Faure & Rioult are there too.

Mith's point in response to hollingsworth was that Fr. Pfeiffer of the "Resistance" in the U.S. is in the photo. Likewise I added Fr. Hewko, also of the U.S. Resistance, and I pointed out Fr. Chazal & the Benedictines just to show that this meeting included priests from other parts of the world.
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Post by: stgobnait on July 16, 2014, 01:37:09 PM: i dont see fr hewko...
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Post by: PG on July 16, 2014, 01:42:48 PM: That is quite a snap shot!
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Post by: ancien regime on July 16, 2014, 02:30:35 PM: Fr. Hewko is on the right holding the candlestick.

The Dominicans of Avrille are very much there--Fr. Pierre Marie, O.P., the Prior, is standing on the right of Bishop Williamson (as you look at the picture), Fr. Marie-Dominique, O.P. is the smiling face just to the right of Fr. Pierre-Marie, O.P. and just to the left of Fr. Hewko who is holding the candlestick. There are two others in the picture, but I am not sure of their names.

Since the Dominican Fathers hosted this event, they are very much involved.
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Post by: stgobnait on July 16, 2014, 02:36:56 PM: ah yes, thank you, and thank them, and Thank God.
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Post by: Centroamerica on July 16, 2014, 02:41:14 PM: Looks like 4 white hoods are the 4 Dominicans in the picture. The one with a black hood on Bishop Williamson's right, Dom Tómas Aquino, is the only Benedictine and the only priest from Brazil that I see in the photo. The rest with black and white cassocks can only be SSPX priests or independents. (Exception, of course, is Fr. Pfeiffer with the white cassock)
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Post by: B from A on July 16, 2014, 02:58:13 PM: Quote from: Centroamerica
Looks like 4 white hoods are the 4 Dominicans in the picture. The one with a black hood on Bishop Williamson's right, Dom Tómas Aquino, is the only Benedictine and the only priest from Brazil that I see in the photo. The rest with black and white cassocks can only be SSPX priests or independents. (Exception, of course, is Fr. Pfeiffer with the white cassock)

It's hard to tell in the group photo, but the man directly behind Dom Tómas looks like he might also be a Benedictine. The same man sitting next to him here?:

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DURzePHjixw/U8VArNVIT7I/AAAAAAAACcs/h5wdtWVlIvs/s1600/DSC00013.JPG)

Plus there were more Dominican monks in the photos of the Mass.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xlZWjo-3zDo/U8VB6c6b52I/AAAAAAAACdM/xLFQHKeGYuI/s1600/DSC00017.JPG)

See more photos here (http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.com/2014/07/importantes-novedades-para-la.html) & here (http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.com/2014/07/surge-la-union-sacerdotal-marcel.html).
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Post by: Centroamerica on July 16, 2014, 03:04:46 PM: Quote from: B from A
Quote from: Centroamerica
Looks like 4 white hoods are the 4 Dominicans in the picture. The one with a black hood on Bishop Williamson's right, Dom Tómas Aquino, is the only Benedictine and the only priest from Brazil that I see in the photo. The rest with black and white cassocks can only be SSPX priests or independents. (Exception, of course, is Fr. Pfeiffer with the white cassock)

It's hard to tell in the group photo, but the man directly behind Dom Tómas looks like he might also be a Benedictine. The same man sitting next to him here?:

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DURzePHjixw/U8VArNVIT7I/AAAAAAAACcs/h5wdtWVlIvs/s1600/DSC00013.JPG)

Plus there were more Dominican monks in the photos of the Mass.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xlZWjo-3zDo/U8VB6c6b52I/AAAAAAAACdM/xLFQHKeGYuI/s1600/DSC00017.JPG)

See more photos here (http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.com/2014/07/importantes-novedades-para-la.html) & here (http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.com/2014/07/surge-la-union-sacerdotal-marcel.html).

I don't know the details of how many Dominicans joined the resistance. It would be interesting to know if all of then joined. I had heard that one that was helping the US District did not join the resistance.

Perhaps, there was another Benedictine present. It would also be interesting to know who he was. He is not from the Benedictine monastery here in Brazil. He doesn't appear to be from the US Benedictine monastery. Maybe he is a Capuchin from Morgan?
Title: "UNION SACERDOTALE MARCEL LEFEBVRE"
Post by: CWA on July 16, 2014, 04:31:03 PM: Quote from: Centroamerica
I don't know the details of how many Dominicans joined the resistance. It would be interesting to know if all of then joined. I had heard that one that was helping the US District did not join the resistance.

I am under the impression that there was a new Dominican monastery started in Belgium, more or less by Menzingen, for a group (5?) of Avrillé Dominicans that agreed with Menzingen's new direction rather than the Traditional one. Not sure of the exact numbers, nor if any of the remaining Dominicans of Avrillé went along with that new Belgian group.

Quote from: Centroamerica
Perhaps, there was another Benedictine present. It would also be interesting to know who he was. He is not from the Benedictine monastery here in Brazil. He doesn't appear to be from the US Benedictine monastery. Maybe he is a Capuchin from Morgan?

Good question. Anyone else know who he is?
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Post by: John Steven on July 16, 2014, 04:48:11 PM: This is big news.
It is not entirely clear to me if this is just an organization for France or a worldwide endeavor and how it will affect the U.S., if at all. The U.S. priests were there but does this mean they are placing themselves under the direction of USML?
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Post by: Centroamerica on July 16, 2014, 07:28:11 PM: The American priests would certainly seem to be putting themselves under the direction of the Priestly Union. After all, it will be from the Priestly Union that a bishop to succeed Bishop Williamson will be chosen. Meanwhile, the snakes who have taken control of Menzingen (whether directly or indirectly) will be sitting back waiting for Bishop Tissier to pass away. We all know that's what it has come to. The modernists need to disarm Tradition. For decades it was the 5 and 6 bishops who carried the weight of the Traditional world. (+Lefebvre, +De Castro Mayer, +Fellay, +De Galaretta, +Tissier, +Williamson, + Rangel)

We all know how that story went. The modernists waited for the Archbishop to die. The Lion down in Campos was run out of the diocese by modernists. The two bishops passed from us but left 4 bishops and a 5th selected as successor in Campos. +Rangel was replaced by a defector and the numbers went quickly in ten years time from 6 to 4 traditionally Catholic bishops. Now with +Williamson out of the Society, they are operating with 3 bishops. When +Tissier passes or +De Galeretta etc. and if one or both is not replaced there will be an issue of only 1 or 2 bishops functioning together with the Society. And then what. Tradition being thoroughly vulnerable in such a humanistic terms and having to depend on +Fellay to be gutzy enough to consecrate bishops at the risks of being excommunicated. I wouldn't count on it. And then what with only one bishop eventually operating the entire world of tradition with the SSPX it would only seem
inevitable that the faithful become dependent on dubious, diocesan bishops.

I mean, I could be wrong, but altogether I see the resistance as having a meaningful future and the Society becoming more and more disarmed.
Title: "UNION SACERDOTALE MARCEL LEFEBVRE"
Post by: Centroamerica on July 16, 2014, 07:30:23 PM: The American priests would certainly seem to be putting themselves under the direction of the Priestly Union. After all, it will be from the Priestly Union that a bishop to succeed Bishop Williamson will be chosen. Meanwhile, the snakes who have taken control of Menzingen (whether directly or indirectly) will be sitting back waiting for Bishop Tissier to pass away. We all know that's what it has come to. The modernists need to disarm Tradition. For decades it was the 5 and 6 bishops who carried the weight of the Traditional world. (+Lefebvre, +De Castro Mayer, +Fellay, +De Galaretta, +Tissier, +Williamson, + Rangel)

We all know how that story went. The modernists waited for the Archbishop to die. The Lion down in Campos was run out of the diocese by modernists. The two bishops passed from us but left 4 bishops and a 5th selected as successor in Campos. +Rangel was replaced by a defector and the numbers went quickly in ten years time from 6 to 4 traditionally Catholic bishops. Now with +Williamson out of the Society, they are operating with 3 bishops. When +Tissier passes or +De Galeretta etc. and if one or both is not replaced there will be an issue of only 1 or 2 bishops functioning together with the Society. And then what. Tradition being thoroughly vulnerable in such a humanistic terms and having to depend on +Fellay to be gutzy enough to consecrate bishops at the risks of being excommunicated. I wouldn't count on it. And then what with only one bishop eventually operating the entire world of tradition with the SSPX it would only seem
inevitable that the faithful become dependent on dubious, diocesan bishops.

I mean, I could be wrong, but altogether I see the resistance as having a meaningful future and the Society becoming more and more disarmed.
Title: "UNION SACERDOTALE MARCEL LEFEBVRE"
Post by: untitled on July 17, 2014, 01:14:25 AM: B from A said: "It's hard to tell in the group photo, but the man directly behind Dom Tómas looks like he might also be a Benedictine."

He is Fr. Bruno OSB.
Title: "UNION SACERDOTALE MARCEL LEFEBVRE"
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 17, 2014, 01:16:01 AM: Quote from: ancien regime
Here's a picture of some of the participants, courtesy of francefidele.fr:

(http://francefidele.fr/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Union-Sacerdotale.jpg)

Quote from: B from A
Quote from: Francisco
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Quote from: Mithrandylan
Quote from: hollingsworth
So then, what message to we get from this photo of the new Union Sacerdotale? Is that not Bp. Williamson standing front and center? Does the bishop now recognize the new Avrille group as the true SSPX of the Archbishop? I do not perceive that he ever appeared that supportive of the "Resistance" here in the U.S. Someone set me straight.

Fr. Pfeiffer is in the picture.

And Fr. Hewko, Fr. Chazal, and some Benedictines from Brazil.

Where are the Avrillians then?

They're in the photo too. They're the monks in white. Looks like other SSPX priests such as Fr. Faure & Rioult are there too.

Mith's point in response to hollingsworth was that Fr. Pfeiffer of the "Resistance" in the U.S. is in the photo. Likewise I added Fr. Hewko, also of the U.S. Resistance, and I pointed out Fr. Chazal & the Benedictines just to show that this meeting included priests from other parts of the world.

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Fr. Hewko is on the right holding the candlestick.

The Dominicans of Avrille are very much there--Fr. Pierre Marie, O.P., the Prior, is standing on the right of Bishop Williamson (as you look at the picture), Fr. Marie-Dominique, O.P. is the smiling face just to the right of Fr. Pierre-Marie, O.P. and just to the left of Fr. Hewko who is holding the candlestick. There are two others in the picture, but I am not sure of their names.

Since the Dominican Fathers hosted this event, they are very much involved.

Isn't the shorter Dominican in the front, left center, Dom Tomas Aquino, Rector from Brazil?

I would like to remember the name of the one other priest with hands folded in prayer, like +W has. He's on the right.

We are looking at a group that may well soon be containing at least one more bishop.

This is really exciting. Please someone provide a definitive list of the names so I can study them!!

I would suggest beginning with +W in the middle and going left to the priest just past Fr. Pfeiffer, then from +W to the right, making 3 more past Fr. Hewko. Since they are not arranged in rows, you have to go side to side, regardless of front-to-back.
Everyone's face is visible, and they can be described "horizontally" alone. There are 9 on each side, 5 between +W and Fr. Hewko, and 6 between Fr. Chazal and Fr. Pfeiffer. I thought the one on the far right might be Fr. Fernando Altamira, but I guess he's not. The fleur-de-lis in the middle is a nice touch.

Another bit of trivia: how many languages are represented here? How many countries?? Obviously, they can all speak Latin! But most are fluent in French, some Spanish, others Portuguese, and German, and of course English. What about Dutch, Polish, Danish, Sweedish, Ukranian, Russian, Hungarian, Greek, Italian, Korean, Chinese, etc?

Alleluia.

(Time after Pentecost)

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Post by: Neil Obstat on July 17, 2014, 01:31:27 AM: Quote from: Centroamerica

I mean, I could be wrong, but altogether I see the resistance as having a meaningful future and the Society becoming more and more disarmed.

I don't think you're wrong, Centro.

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Post by: Neil Obstat on July 17, 2014, 01:58:42 AM: Quote from: ancien regime
Here's a picture of some of the participants, courtesy of francefidele.fr:

(http://francefidele.fr/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Union-Sacerdotale.jpg)

So far, we have:

From +W left,
1 - Fr. Chazal (French, of course),
2 - one priest behind Fr. C.
3 - one in the front row,
4 - one in the back with the candlestick,
5 - Dom Tomas Aquino in front,
6 - a Benedictine just behind him (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=32770&min=20#p3), Fr. Bruno, OSB
7 - one apparently French priest in the back
8 - Fr. Pfeiffer
9 - and another French priest in front;

Then from +W to the right:
1 - one Dominican (has a hood?) in the middle,
2 - one tall priest in the back,
3 - Fr. Pierre Marie, O.P. in front,
4 - Fr. Marie-Dominique, O.P. smiling, just to the right of Fr. Pierre-Marie, O.P.
5 - one French priest in the front with prayer-folded hands
6 - Fr. Hewko in the back with the candlestick,
7 - one taller priest in front with hands folded over his missal
8 - one priest in the back,
9 - and finally, the younger-looking one on the far right.

If anyone can fill in the names that would be great! You can use these numbers, just say Left#3, or Right#7.
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Post by: stgobnait on July 17, 2014, 02:41:25 AM: only thing i know is fr pfeiffer looks extremely relaxed and happy. :dancing-banana: sorry francis, but the banana had to go in !
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Post by: Neil Obstat on July 17, 2014, 03:15:00 AM: Quote from: stgobnait
only thing i know is fr pfeiffer looks extremely relaxed and happy. :dancing banana: sorry francis, but the banana had to go in !

That's because he's the one who just cracked the joke.

Dom Tomas and Fr. Bruno are laughing at it, but the French priest to Fr. P's right is still thinking what it means in French, so he's not laughing. Yet.

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Post by: Centroamerica on July 17, 2014, 07:11:03 AM: Fr. Bruno? I think we had asked about who the other Benedictine was. Where does Fr. Bruno hail from?
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Post by: Centroamerica on July 17, 2014, 07:12:33 AM: Priest #2 behind Fr. Chazal is Fr. Faure.
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Post by: Neil Obstat on July 17, 2014, 09:46:44 AM: Quote from: Neil Obstat
Quote from: ancien regime
Here's a picture of some of the participants, courtesy of francefidele.fr:

(http://francefidele.fr/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Union-Sacerdotale.jpg)

Quote from: ancien regime
Fr. Hewko is on the right holding the candlestick.

The Dominicans of Avrille are very much there--Fr. Pierre Marie, O.P., the Prior, is standing on the right of Bishop Williamson (as you look at the picture), Fr. Marie-Dominique, O.P. is the smiling face just to the right of Fr. Pierre-Marie, O.P. and just to the left of Fr. Hewko who is holding the candlestick. There are two others in the picture, but I am not sure of their names.

Since the Dominican Fathers hosted this event, they are very much involved.

I would like to remember the name of the one other priest with hands folded in prayer, like +W has. He's on the right. [Right#5]

It seems this must be Fr. Pivert, Right#5.

Here is another photo of him, once again, standing with hands prayerfully folded (same hands, same surplice, same collar, same shoes, same hair, same ears, same nose, same glasses, same posture, only a little more serious expression):

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LkdytP4r5vI/U8Zz0p-hGLI/AAAAAAAAAUc/9GJm_n_1pSc/s1600/3.JPG)

Here is an earlier photo from about 20 years ago, apparently (without the serious expression, but same ears, same nose, same eyes, same eyebrows (a little darker), same chin, same cheekbones, same collar! same haircut!):

(http://www.lasapiniere.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/images.jpeg)

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I would suggest beginning with +W in the middle and going left to the priest just past Fr. Pfeiffer, then from +W to the right, making 3 more past Fr. Hewko. Since they are not arranged in rows, you have to go side to side, regardless of front-to-back.

Everyone's face is visible, and they can be described "horizontally" alone. There are 9 on each side, 5 between +W and Fr. Hewko, and 6 between Fr. Chazal and Fr. Pfeiffer. I thought the one on the far right might be Fr. Fernando Altamira, but I guess he's not. The fleur-de-lis in the middle is a nice touch.

Alleluia.

(Time after Pentecost)

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One vote for Fr. Pivert to be consecrated Bishop! :thinking:

100 years from now they'll have statues of Fr. Pivert that look just like this......

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Post by: Centroamerica on July 17, 2014, 10:03:07 AM: Quote from: Neil Obstat
Quote from: ancien regime
Here's a picture of some of the participants, courtesy of francefidele.fr:

(http://francefidele.fr/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Union-Sacerdotale.jpg)

So far, we have:

From +W left,
1 - Fr. Chazal (French, of course),
2 - one priest behind Fr. C.
3 - one in the front row,
4 - one in the back with the candlestick,
5 - Dom Tomas Aquino in front,
6 - a Benedictine just behind him (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=32770&min=20#p3), Fr. Bruno, OSB
7 - one apparently French priest in the back
8 - Fr. Pfeiffer
9 - and another French priest in front;

Then from +W to the right:
1 - one Dominican (has a hood?) in the middle,
2 - one tall priest in the back,
3 - Fr. Pierre Marie, O.P. in front,
4 - Fr. Marie-Dominique, O.P. smiling, just to the right of Fr. Pierre-Marie, O.P.
5 - one French priest in the front with prayer-folded hands
6 - Fr. Hewko in the back with the candlestick,
7 - one taller priest in front with hands folded over his missal
8 - one priest in the back,
9 - and finally, the younger-looking one on the far right.

If anyone can fill in the names that would be great! You can use these numbers, just say Left#3, or Right#7.

I don't know which Number the priest is at Bishop Williamson's immediate right, but this again is Fr. De Merode, the new superior of the Priestly Union(SSPX) in France. I think he is later referred to on this thread as priest #5 even though priest #5 is Dom Tomas Aquino.

http://farfalline.blogspot.com.br/2014/06/carta-do-padre-roland-de-merode-ao.html
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Post by: Frances on July 17, 2014, 10:14:26 AM: Quote from: stgobnait
only thing i know is fr pfeiffer looks extremely relaxed and happy. :dancing-banana: sorry francis, but the banana had to go in !

:incense: :dancing-banana: :incense: Frances being exorcised by Fr. Pfeiffer & Bp. W.?
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Post by: B from A on July 17, 2014, 10:45:06 AM: Quote from: Neil Obstat
If anyone can fill in the names that would be great! You can use these numbers, just say Left#3, or Right#7.

Here's my best stab at it:

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Quote from: ancien regime
Here's a picture of some of the participants, courtesy of francefidele.fr:

(http://francefidele.fr/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Union-Sacerdotale.jpg)

So far, we have:

From +W left,
1 - Fr. Chazal (French, of course),
2 - Fr. Faure
3 - Fr. de Mérode
4 - one in the back with the candlestick, - Fr. Fuchs (http://rexcz.blogspot.com/2014/03/rex-interview-with-fr-martin-fuchs-2014.html)?
5 - Dom Tomas Aquino in front,
6 - a Benedictine just behind him (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=32770&min=20#p3), Fr. Bruno, OSB
7 - Fr. Rioult
8 - Fr. Pfeiffer
9 - Fr. Pinaud

Then from +W to the right:
1 - one Dominican (has a hood?) in the middle,
2 - one tall priest in the back, - Fr. René Trincado
3 - Fr. Pierre Marie, O.P. in front,
4 - Fr. Marie-Dominique, O.P. smiling, just to the right of Fr. Pierre-Marie, O.P.
5 - Fr. Pivert?
6 - Fr. Hewko in the back with the candlestick,
7 - one taller priest in front with hands folded over his missal
8 - one priest in the back,
9 - and finally, the younger-looking one on the far right. - Fr. Picot?

Anyone who is sure, please point out any errors. Thanks.
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Post by: ancien regime on July 17, 2014, 11:49:56 AM: number 5 is Fr. Pivert

number 8 is Fr. Hyacinth-Marie, O.P.
Title: "UNION SACERDOTALE MARCEL LEFEBVRE"
Post by: B from A on July 17, 2014, 12:10:36 PM: (http://francefidele.fr/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Union-Sacerdotale.jpg)

So far, we have:

From +W left,
1 - Fr. Chazal
2 - Fr. Faure
3 - Fr. de Mérode
4 - with candlestick - Fr. Fuchs?
5 - Dom Tomas Aquino in front,
6 - a Benedictine just behind him (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=32770&min=20#p3), Fr. Bruno, OSB
7 - Fr. Rioult
8 - Fr. Pfeiffer
9 - Fr. Pinaud

Then from +W to the right:
1 - Dominican
2 - Fr. René Trincado?
3 - Fr. Pierre Marie, O.P. in front,
4 - Fr. Marie-Dominique, O.P.
5 - Fr. Pivert
6 - Fr. Hewko - with the candlestick,
7 - one taller priest in front with hands folded over his missal
8 - Fr. Hyacinth-Marie, O.P.
9 - Fr. Picot?
Title: "UNION SACERDOTALE MARCEL LEFEBVRE"
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 17, 2014, 12:25:16 PM: Quote from: Centroamerica
Quote from: Neil Obstat
Quote from: ancien regime
Here's a picture of some of the participants, courtesy of francefidele.fr:

(http://francefidele.fr/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Union-Sacerdotale.jpg)

So far, we have:

From +W left,
1 - Fr. Chazal (French, of course),
2 - one priest behind Fr. C.
3 - one in the front row,
4 - one in the back with the candlestick,
5 - Dom Tomas Aquino in front,
6 - a Benedictine just behind him (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=32770&min=20#p3), Fr. Bruno, OSB
7 - one apparently French priest in the back
8 - Fr. Pfeiffer
9 - and another French priest in front;

Then from +W to the right:
1 - one Dominican (has a hood?) in the middle,
2 - one tall priest in the back,
3 - Fr. Pierre Marie, O.P. in front,
4 - Fr. Marie-Dominique, O.P. smiling, just to the right of Fr. Pierre-Marie, O.P.
5 - Fr. Francois Pivert prayerfully folded hands, with one vote for bishop
6 - Fr. Hewko in the back with the candlestick,
7 - one taller priest in front with hands folded over his missal
8 - one priest in the back,
9 - and finally, the younger-looking one on the far right.

If anyone can fill in the names that would be great! You can use these numbers, just say Left#3, or Right#7.

I don't know which Number the priest is at Bishop Williamson's immediate right [that would be Right#1], but this again is Fr. De Merode, the new superior of the Priestly Union(SSPX) in France. I think he is later referred to on this thread as priest #5 even though priest #5 is Dom Tomas Aquino.

http://farfalline.blogspot.com.br/2014/06/carta-do-padre-roland-de-merode-ao.html

Dom Tomas Aquino is Left#5. You're saying Right#1 is Fr. de Merode. And Centroamerica assures us he's Left#3.

Okay! This is progress!

+W proceeding left:
Left#1 - Fr. Chazal
Left#2 - Fr. Faure (correct?)
Left#3 - (B from A thinks this is Fr. de Mérode, I say this is correct)
Left#4 - (B from A says this is Fr. Fuchs)
Left#5 - Dom Tomas Aquino
Left#6 - Fr. Bruno OSB
Left#7 - (B from A says it's Fr. Rioult (http://www.lasapiniere.info/archives/1911) <-- Sermon «Les canonisations» en Francais)*
Left#8 - Fr. Pfeiffer
Left#9 - (B from A says it's Fr. Pinaud)

*Fr. Rioult begins and ends his sermon on « Les canonisations de jean XXIII et de Jean-Paul II » with a FLAWLESS Sign of the Cross in FRENCH! Do you people know how lucky you are to have a priest who provides for you the spittin' image of the Curé d'Ars?!?!

+W proceeding right:
Right#1 - (Centroamerica says this is Fr. de Mérode)
Right#2 - Fr. René Trincado
Right#3 - Fr. Pierre Marie, O.P.
Right#4 - Fr. Marie-Dominique, O.P.
Right#5 - Fr. Francois Pivert
Right#6 - Fr. David Hewko
Right#7 - (no progress here!)
Right#8 - - - - - (ditto) ,,,,,,,,,,[ETA: 8 - Fr. Hyacinth-Marie, O.P. ]
Right#9 - Fr. Picot

***WE NEED HELP WITH Right#7&8!!***

Fr. Roland de Mérode
(http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&s=attach&id=5279)

Fr. Martin Fuchs (Declaration Letter @ TheRecusant (http://www.therecusant.com/fr-fuchs)):
(http://www.swiss-team-trophy.ch/uploads/pics/martin_fuchs_nachwuchs_01.jpg)
Wait...... there must be some mistake......see below......
(The jockey's name is Martin Fuchs -- this is how 'Internet rumours' get started,
but I can tell you one thing: I'll never forget Fr. Fuch's first name now! HAHAHAHA)

Fr. Nicolas Pinaud:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-j_RPnyNzmJQ/UW2LnEVPAwI/AAAAAAAAAgs/TjSpDnpAyzY/s1600/padre+Nicolas+pinaud.jpg)

Fr. René Trincado:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5gUy-qJsAXk/UZ_7NoWwJkI/AAAAAAAAAqE/fQ_MfEi_reM/s400/DOM_19_MAYO-27.JPG)

"Los Padres de Mérdode, Faure y Picot (http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.com/2014/07/surge-la-union-sacerdotal-marcel.html)" (In Los Angeles "Los Padres" is a National Forest! .........
..But you can't see the forest for the trees. HAHAHA):
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fxHvcxnZYek/U8Z38_H2CwI/AAAAAAAAAVM/BnpTaRHNTi8/s1600/DSC00030.JPG)

Note: "3JPG" below depicts Fr. Francois Pivert standing with prayerfully-folded hands, Fr. Rioult facing left behind him, Fr. Martin Fuchs seated at the right hand of +W, and Fr. David Hewko to his left, with a candle mounted on his head (:wink:).

..............please forgive me if I'm having too much fun with this but I think this whole story is really really exciting and I'm just having a hard time controlling myself here...............
Title: "UNION SACERDOTALE MARCEL LEFEBVRE"
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 17, 2014, 12:32:52 PM: .

Hey, guys, it just hit me -- how 'controversial' these priests are! :laugh2:

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Title: "UNION SACERDOTALE MARCEL LEFEBVRE"
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 17, 2014, 12:39:23 PM: Quote from: B from A

Anyone who is sure, please point out any errors. Thanks.

It's really cute how you're worried about 'errors'!

(If only we were so concerned about our punctuation & grammar! HAHAHAHA)

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Title: "UNION SACERDOTALE MARCEL LEFEBVRE"
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 17, 2014, 12:54:28 PM: .

For CONSTRUCTION enthusiasts:

These gray masonry walls behind these priests are obviously not in California. Because in L.A., you would NEVER FIND concrete block walls with such oddball sizes for the blocks as these rectangles behind the priests' heads:

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fxHvcxnZYek/U8Z38_H2CwI/AAAAAAAAAVM/BnpTaRHNTi8/s1600/DSC00030.JPG)

..some courses are 8" tall, some are 10", some are 9" and some courses are 7-1/2".

Some blocks are 16" wide, and some are 10", but others are 14" or 11" or 9-1/2" or 17", and this simply does not happen in California.

To top it off, some blocks turn the corner without any joint and the corner isn't 90 degrees. GET A LOAD OF THOSE TWO RIGHT BEHIND +W's LEFT ELBOW:

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-HD--nEpn1R8/U8Zz3swQBNI/AAAAAAAAAUk/m1XfYcyawyE/s1600/4.JPG)

They have three exposed arises, two positive and one negative, with a vertical front face and one vertical side face at 60 degrees, joining a sloped inside top face with a 20% gradient! They don't sell those at the materials yard! It would take three months to special order one and it would cost an arm and a leg!

Wakeup call:

These walls are not concrete block. They are SOLID STONE. (but in L.A. they would say, "UNREINFORCED MASONRY!?!?")

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Title: "UNION SACERDOTALE MARCEL LEFEBVRE"
Post by: ancien regime on July 17, 2014, 02:39:21 PM: Quote from: Neil Obstat
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For CONSTRUCTION enthusiasts:

These gray masonry walls behind these priests are obviously not in California. Because in L.A., you would NEVER FIND concrete block walls with such oddball sizes for the blocks as these rectangles behind the priests' heads:

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fxHvcxnZYek/U8Z38_H2CwI/AAAAAAAAAVM/BnpTaRHNTi8/s1600/DSC00030.JPG)

..some courses are 8" tall, some are 10", some are 9" and some courses are 7-1/2".

Some blocks are 16" wide, and some are 10", but others are 14" or 11" or 9-1/2" or 17", and this simply does not happen in California.

To top it off, some blocks turn the corner without any joint and the corner isn't 90 degrees. GET A LOAD OF THOSE TWO RIGHT BEHIND +W's LEFT ELBOW:

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-HD--nEpn1R8/U8Zz3swQBNI/AAAAAAAAAUk/m1XfYcyawyE/s1600/4.JPG)

They have three exposed arises, two positive and one negative, with a vertical front face and one vertical side face at 60 degrees, joining a sloped inside top face with a 20% gradient! They don't sell those at the materials yard! It would take three months to special order one and it would cost an arm and a leg!

Wakeup call:

These walls are not concrete block. They are SOLID STONE. (but in L.A. they would say, "UNREINFORCED MASONRY!?!?")

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What you are seeing in these photographs is the interior of the chapel in the Couvent de la Haye aux Bonshommes, the home of the Dominicans in Avrille, France.

The monastery was built in the 12th century. So, those stones are close to 900 years old--which is why they don't look like anything you would see in California, or anywhere else in the U.S.A.

The land was donated to the Order of Grandmont by the Empress Maude (Mathilde), the second wife of Geoffroy Plantagenêt and the mother of Henry II of England. Henry II donated monies to the Grandmontains to found a monastery as a part of his penance for the murder in A.D. 1170 of St. Thomas à Becket, the Archbishop of Canterbury.
Title: "UNION SACERDOTALE MARCEL LEFEBVRE"
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on July 17, 2014, 03:53:18 PM: It's a new group. Not the original sspx created by archbishop
Lefebvre. How many others left Sspx and Vatican II
To go toward scandal of sedevacantism or worse. Might
End up like urritiogoity.
Title: "UNION SACERDOTALE MARCEL LEFEBVRE"
Post by: Centroamerica on July 17, 2014, 04:01:57 PM: Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
It's a new group. Not the original sspx created by archbishop
Lefebvre.

Yet, it includes many of the original priests. How many were ordained by the Archbishop or attended Econe?

How many in positions of power in the Society were close friends, ordained by, or went to Econe under the Archbishop?

I can imagine how Fr. Bouchacourt would be treated by the Archbishop.
Title: "UNION SACERDOTALE MARCEL LEFEBVRE"
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 17, 2014, 05:05:46 PM: Quote from: ancien regime

The monastery was built in the 12th century. So, those stones are close to 900 years old--which is why they don't look like anything you would see in California, or anywhere else in the U.S.A.

You wouldn't believe what they build to make a movie. What it "looks like" is all that matters. It takes a keen eye to notice that it's just a fake. I had a friend visit here from Germany, and I showed him some of the sights. When we passed a castle built on a hillside, he commented that's just like the castles in Germany on the Rhine. I told him that what you see looks like it's stone but it's just wood framing covered with stucco, made to LOOK like it's stone, and it's only about 10 years old. He didn't believe me so I had to give him a close-up encounter. He was SCANDALIZED.

This is so much like the Neo-SSPX, really, because it's a question of substance. Appearances are everything to a Modernist. But substantive content is what matters to true Traditionalists.

Curiously, as marvelous as this ancient stonework is, if it were to stand in California, it probably would not survive two centuries or perhaps not even one year. A magnitude 8.3 earthquake (which has never been recorded in France) has a way of turning unreinforced masonry into a heap of rubble.

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Title: "UNION SACERDOTALE MARCEL LEFEBVRE"
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 17, 2014, 05:16:51 PM: Quote from: Centroamerica
Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
It's a new group. Not the original sspx created by archbishop
Lefebvre.

Yet, it includes many of the original priests. How many were ordained by the Archbishop or attended Econe?

How many in positions of power in the Society were close friends, ordained by, or went to Econe under the Archbishop?

I can imagine how Fr. Bouchacourt would be treated by the Archbishop.

I have little doubt but that you've got a good grip on the reality, and that you wouldn't be too surprised to see how ABL would deal with Fr. Bouchacourt. But now that he is no longer here to prove the case, and the leadership of the Society has changed hands and the liberals are at the levers of power, all they have to say is, that you're wrong. (They would be lying, objectively, but with control of the levers they can lie with impunity.)

Like the cut stones in the walls of the chapel, it's all a matter of perception.

Regardless whether they were ordained by ABL or attended Econe and perhaps had ABL for a professor (such as Winona students who had had +W and have now turned against him!), when the grand sewer of all heresies worms its way into one's soul, changes happen in one's loyalties.

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Title: "UNION SACERDOTALE MARCEL LEFEBVRE"
Post by: Centroamerica on July 17, 2014, 05:18:48 PM: True, whether they attended Econe or not is meaningless if they are liberals.
Title: "UNION SACERDOTALE MARCEL LEFEBVRE"
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 18, 2014, 12:35:33 AM: Quote from: Centroamerica
True, whether they attended Econe or not is meaningless if they are liberals.

It is becoming ever more clear that +F and his henchmen most likely lied their way through seminary, concealing their true motives, so as to infiltrate and destroy the Society from the inside, just like the Anti-apostle in AA-1025 The Memoirs of an Anti-Apostle, by Marie Carré.

What we need is a definitive tome that takes Carré's book, and brings it up to date with the story of several of these Menzingburg Miscreants!

The obvious problem is that Carré's book is solidly based on the autobiographical notes of the miscreant himself. It would be perhaps possible that such texts exist regarding the MM clan, finding them would border on impossible, since after Carré's book, they would have known that keeping such papers (or data files??) could pose a tremendous danger to the security of "the work" (reminiscent of Opus Dei!!), and would rely on the providence of God to encounter them, as Carré did her materials in the hospital.

Nonetheless, there may be many circuмstantial statements and observations in all these stories that would portray a marked parallel if they could be uncovered. It would be a monumental task, however. And all the while, you would be HOUNDED by the likes of Krah and his minions to vilify you as a calumniator and fabricator of hearsay, innuendo and false accusations of their intentions.

For even before he was elected SG, there were SSPX priests saying that we should pray for Fr. Bernard Fellay, but they would not divulge the reasons that they would say that. I have no doubt but that there are A LOT of skeletons in the closets.

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Title: "UNION SACERDOTALE MARCEL LEFEBVRE"
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 18, 2014, 12:43:13 AM: .

Apparently the time has come when only a standing army of good priests who have suffered the punitive scourge of the MM clan due to their tenacious adherence to solid doctrine will be capable of facing the fight that lies ahead.

The history of the SSPX could therefore be viewed as the crucible by which this very rare breed has been forged as from gold purified in a furnace.

And their radar must be up and running to identify new incursions of future infiltrators.

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Title: "UNION SACERDOTALE MARCEL LEFEBVRE"
Post by: stgobnait on July 18, 2014, 02:41:26 AM: we should rejoice, as God has promised, He would not leave us orphans, and turn our sorrows into joy..... :pray:
Title: "UNION SACERDOTALE MARCEL LEFEBVRE"
Post by: Francisco on July 18, 2014, 03:37:34 AM: Quote from: B from A
(http://francefidele.fr/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Union-Sacerdotale.jpg)

So far, we have:

From +W left,
1 - Fr. Chazal
2 - Fr. Faure
3 - Fr. de Mérode
4 - with candlestick - Fr. Fuchs?
5 - Dom Tomas Aquino in front,
6 - a Benedictine just behind him (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=32770&min=20#p3), Fr. Bruno, OSB
7 - Fr. Rioult
8 - Fr. Pfeiffer
9 - Fr. Pinaud

Then from +W to the right:
1 - Dominican
2 - Fr. René Trincado?
3 - Fr. Pierre Marie, O.P. in front,
4 - Fr. Marie-Dominique, O.P.
5 - Fr. Pivert
6 - Fr. Hewko - with the candlestick,
7 - one taller priest in front with hands folded over his missal
8 - Fr. Hyacinth-Marie, O.P.
9 - Fr. Picot?
:

Three former inmates of the SSPX India Gulag - Frs de Merode,Chazal and Pfeiffer. Would Menzingen be worried? :smoke-pot:
Title: "UNION SACERDOTALE MARCEL LEFEBVRE"
Post by: untitled on July 19, 2014, 08:10:11 AM: Then from +W to the right:
1 - Fr. Innocent Marie OP (Avrillé).
Title: "UNION SACERDOTALE MARCEL LEFEBVRE"
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 19, 2014, 08:42:32 AM: Quote from: untitled

Then from +W to the right:
1 - Fr. Innocent Marie OP (Avrillé).

Thanks for all your help filling in the blanks, untitled! :cowboy:

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Title: "UNION SACERDOTALE MARCEL LEFEBVRE"
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 19, 2014, 08:49:11 AM: Quote from: Francisco

Three former inmates of the SSPX India Gulag - Frs de Merode,Chazal and Pfeiffer.
Would Menzingen be worried? :smoke-pot:

Can't you find something respectable to do with your time, Francisco?

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Title: "UNION SACERDOTALE MARCEL LEFEBVRE"
Post by: untitled on July 19, 2014, 10:18:17 AM: Then from +W to the right:

7 - Fr. Mathieu Salenave
Title: "UNION SACERDOTALE MARCEL LEFEBVRE"
Post by: untitled on July 19, 2014, 10:20:58 AM: 4 - with candlestick - Fr. Fuchs? Yes, he is Fr Fuchs.
2 - Fr. René Trincado? Yes, he is Fr. Trincado.
9 - Fr. Picot? Yes, he is Fr. Picot.
Title: "UNION SACERDOTALE MARCEL LEFEBVRE"
Post by: poche on July 21, 2014, 02:21:38 AM: Quote from: Centroamerica
It's a priestly union just live the Campos priests formed here in Brazil. Actually, I think it's brilliant. They can remain a loose association of priest without an official structure, but continue to function somewhat like a structure. It solves all the problems of lacking an official canonically erected society of priests, while continuing to function only as a union. It is like going back to the remedy of Bishop de Castro Mayer in his day.

I think it's the best news as of late. Now everyone can stop focusing on that derailing issue of being without a structured group. It certainly sounds like a good, temporary solution.

Isn't that how the Maryknollers are organized?