Author Topic: "UNION SACERDOTALE MARCEL LEFEBVRE" (Read 17800 times)

stgobnait · « **Reply #15 on:** July 16, 2014, 02:36:56 PM »

ah yes, thank you, and thank them, and Thank God.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #16 on:** July 16, 2014, 02:41:14 PM »

Looks like 4 white hoods are the 4 Dominicans in the picture. The one with a black hood on Bishop Williamson's right, Dom Tómas Aquino, is the only Benedictine and the only priest from Brazil that I see in the photo. The rest with black and white cassocks can only be SSPX priests or independents. (Exception, of course, is Fr. Pfeiffer with the white cassock)

B from A · « **Reply #17 on:** July 16, 2014, 02:58:13 PM »

Quote from: Centroamerica

Looks like 4 white hoods are the 4 Dominicans in the picture. The one with a black hood on Bishop Williamson's right, Dom Tómas Aquino, is the only Benedictine and the only priest from Brazil that I see in the photo. The rest with black and white cassocks can only be SSPX priests or independents. (Exception, of course, is Fr. Pfeiffer with the white cassock)

It's hard to tell in the group photo, but the man directly behind Dom Tómas looks like he might also be a Benedictine. The same man sitting next to him here?:

Plus there were more Dominican monks in the photos of the Mass.

See more photos here & here.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #18 on:** July 16, 2014, 03:04:46 PM »

Quote from: B from A

Quote from: Centroamerica
Looks like 4 white hoods are the 4 Dominicans in the picture. The one with a black hood on Bishop Williamson's right, Dom Tómas Aquino, is the only Benedictine and the only priest from Brazil that I see in the photo. The rest with black and white cassocks can only be SSPX priests or independents. (Exception, of course, is Fr. Pfeiffer with the white cassock)

It's hard to tell in the group photo, but the man directly behind Dom Tómas looks like he might also be a Benedictine. The same man sitting next to him here?:

Plus there were more Dominican monks in the photos of the Mass.

See more photos here & here.

I don't know the details of how many Dominicans joined the resistance. It would be interesting to know if all of then joined. I had heard that one that was helping the US District did not join the resistance.

Perhaps, there was another Benedictine present. It would also be interesting to know who he was. He is not from the Benedictine monastery here in Brazil. He doesn't appear to be from the US Benedictine monastery. Maybe he is a Capuchin from Morgan?

CWA · « **Reply #19 on:** July 16, 2014, 04:31:03 PM »

Quote from: Centroamerica

I don't know the details of how many Dominicans joined the resistance. It would be interesting to know if all of then joined. I had heard that one that was helping the US District did not join the resistance.

I am under the impression that there was a new Dominican monastery started in Belgium, more or less by Menzingen, for a group (5?) of Avrillé Dominicans that agreed with Menzingen's new direction rather than the Traditional one. Not sure of the exact numbers, nor if any of the remaining Dominicans of Avrillé went along with that new Belgian group.

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Perhaps, there was another Benedictine present. It would also be interesting to know who he was. He is not from the Benedictine monastery here in Brazil. He doesn't appear to be from the US Benedictine monastery. Maybe he is a Capuchin from Morgan?

Good question. Anyone else know who he is?

John Steven · « **Reply #20 on:** July 16, 2014, 04:48:11 PM »

This is big news.
It is not entirely clear to me if this is just an organization for France or a worldwide endeavor and how it will affect the U.S., if at all. The U.S. priests were there but does this mean they are placing themselves under the direction of USML?

Centroamerica · « **Reply #21 on:** July 16, 2014, 07:28:11 PM »

The American priests would certainly seem to be putting themselves under the direction of the Priestly Union. After all, it will be from the Priestly Union that a bishop to succeed Bishop Williamson will be chosen. Meanwhile, the snakes who have taken control of Menzingen (whether directly or indirectly) will be sitting back waiting for Bishop Tissier to pass away. We all know that's what it has come to. The modernists need to disarm Tradition. For decades it was the 5 and 6 bishops who carried the weight of the Traditional world. (+Lefebvre, +De Castro Mayer, +Fellay, +De Galaretta, +Tissier, +Williamson, + Rangel)

We all know how that story went. The modernists waited for the Archbishop to die. The Lion down in Campos was run out of the diocese by modernists. The two bishops passed from us but left 4 bishops and a 5th selected as successor in Campos. +Rangel was replaced by a defector and the numbers went quickly in ten years time from 6 to 4 traditionally Catholic bishops. Now with +Williamson out of the Society, they are operating with 3 bishops. When +Tissier passes or +De Galeretta etc. and if one or both is not replaced there will be an issue of only 1 or 2 bishops functioning together with the Society. And then what. Tradition being thoroughly vulnerable in such a humanistic terms and having to depend on +Fellay to be gutzy enough to consecrate bishops at the risks of being excommunicated. I wouldn't count on it. And then what with only one bishop eventually operating the entire world of tradition with the SSPX it would only seem
inevitable that the faithful become dependent on dubious, diocesan bishops.

I mean, I could be wrong, but altogether I see the resistance as having a meaningful future and the Society becoming more and more disarmed.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #22 on:** July 16, 2014, 07:30:23 PM »

The American priests would certainly seem to be putting themselves under the direction of the Priestly Union. After all, it will be from the Priestly Union that a bishop to succeed Bishop Williamson will be chosen. Meanwhile, the snakes who have taken control of Menzingen (whether directly or indirectly) will be sitting back waiting for Bishop Tissier to pass away. We all know that's what it has come to. The modernists need to disarm Tradition. For decades it was the 5 and 6 bishops who carried the weight of the Traditional world. (+Lefebvre, +De Castro Mayer, +Fellay, +De Galaretta, +Tissier, +Williamson, + Rangel)

We all know how that story went. The modernists waited for the Archbishop to die. The Lion down in Campos was run out of the diocese by modernists. The two bishops passed from us but left 4 bishops and a 5th selected as successor in Campos. +Rangel was replaced by a defector and the numbers went quickly in ten years time from 6 to 4 traditionally Catholic bishops. Now with +Williamson out of the Society, they are operating with 3 bishops. When +Tissier passes or +De Galeretta etc. and if one or both is not replaced there will be an issue of only 1 or 2 bishops functioning together with the Society. And then what. Tradition being thoroughly vulnerable in such a humanistic terms and having to depend on +Fellay to be gutzy enough to consecrate bishops at the risks of being excommunicated. I wouldn't count on it. And then what with only one bishop eventually operating the entire world of tradition with the SSPX it would only seem
inevitable that the faithful become dependent on dubious, diocesan bishops.

I mean, I could be wrong, but altogether I see the resistance as having a meaningful future and the Society becoming more and more disarmed.

untitled · « **Reply #23 on:** July 17, 2014, 01:14:25 AM »

B from A said: "It's hard to tell in the group photo, but the man directly behind Dom Tómas looks like he might also be a Benedictine."

He is Fr. Bruno OSB.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #24 on:** July 17, 2014, 01:16:01 AM »

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Here's a picture of some of the participants, courtesy of francefidele.fr:

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Quote from: Francisco
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So then, what message to we get from this photo of the new Union Sacerdotale? Is that not Bp. Williamson standing front and center? Does the bishop now recognize the new Avrille group as the true SSPX of the Archbishop? I do not perceive that he ever appeared that supportive of the "Resistance" here in the U.S. Someone set me straight.

Fr. Pfeiffer is in the picture.

And Fr. Hewko, Fr. Chazal, and some Benedictines from Brazil.

Where are the Avrillians then?

They're in the photo too. They're the monks in white. Looks like other SSPX priests such as Fr. Faure & Rioult are there too.

Mith's point in response to hollingsworth was that Fr. Pfeiffer of the "Resistance" in the U.S. is in the photo. Likewise I added Fr. Hewko, also of the U.S. Resistance, and I pointed out Fr. Chazal & the Benedictines just to show that this meeting included priests from other parts of the world.

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Fr. Hewko is on the right holding the candlestick.

The Dominicans of Avrille are very much there--Fr. Pierre Marie, O.P., the Prior, is standing on the right of Bishop Williamson (as you look at the picture), Fr. Marie-Dominique, O.P. is the smiling face just to the right of Fr. Pierre-Marie, O.P. and just to the left of Fr. Hewko who is holding the candlestick. There are two others in the picture, but I am not sure of their names.

Since the Dominican Fathers hosted this event, they are very much involved.

Isn't the shorter Dominican in the front, left center, Dom Tomas Aquino, Rector from Brazil?

I would like to remember the name of the one other priest with hands folded in prayer, like +W has. He's on the right.

We are looking at a group that may well soon be containing at least one more bishop.

This is really exciting. Please someone provide a definitive list of the names so I can study them!!

I would suggest beginning with +W in the middle and going left to the priest just past Fr. Pfeiffer, then from +W to the right, making 3 more past Fr. Hewko. Since they are not arranged in rows, you have to go side to side, regardless of front-to-back.
Everyone's face is visible, and they can be described "horizontally" alone. There are 9 on each side, 5 between +W and Fr. Hewko, and 6 between Fr. Chazal and Fr. Pfeiffer. I thought the one on the far right might be Fr. Fernando Altamira, but I guess he's not. The fleur-de-lis in the middle is a nice touch.

Another bit of trivia: how many languages are represented here? How many countries?? Obviously, they can all speak Latin! But most are fluent in French, some Spanish, others Portuguese, and German, and of course English. What about Dutch, Polish, Danish, Sweedish, Ukranian, Russian, Hungarian, Greek, Italian, Korean, Chinese, etc?

Alleluia.

(Time after Pentecost)

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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #25 on:** July 17, 2014, 01:31:27 AM »

Quote from: Centroamerica

I mean, I could be wrong, but altogether I see the resistance as having a meaningful future and the Society becoming more and more disarmed.

I don't think you're wrong, Centro.

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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #26 on:** July 17, 2014, 01:58:42 AM »

Quote from: ancien regime

Here's a picture of some of the participants, courtesy of francefidele.fr:

So far, we have:

From +W left,
1 - Fr. Chazal (French, of course),
2 - one priest behind Fr. C.
3 - one in the front row,
4 - one in the back with the candlestick,
5 - Dom Tomas Aquino in front,
6 - a Benedictine just behind him, Fr. Bruno, OSB
7 - one apparently French priest in the back
8 - Fr. Pfeiffer
9 - and another French priest in front;

Then from +W to the right:
1 - one Dominican (has a hood?) in the middle,
2 - one tall priest in the back,
3 - Fr. Pierre Marie, O.P. in front,
4 - Fr. Marie-Dominique, O.P. smiling, just to the right of Fr. Pierre-Marie, O.P.
5 - one French priest in the front with prayer-folded hands
6 - Fr. Hewko in the back with the candlestick,
7 - one taller priest in front with hands folded over his missal
8 - one priest in the back,
9 - and finally, the younger-looking one on the far right.

If anyone can fill in the names that would be great! You can use these numbers, just say Left#3, or Right#7.

stgobnait · « **Reply #27 on:** July 17, 2014, 02:41:25 AM »

only thing i know is fr pfeiffer looks extremely relaxed and happy. :dancing-banana: sorry francis, but the banana had to go in !

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #28 on:** July 17, 2014, 03:15:00 AM »

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only thing i know is fr pfeiffer looks extremely relaxed and happy. :dancing banana: sorry francis, but the banana had to go in !

That's because he's the one who just cracked the joke.

Dom Tomas and Fr. Bruno are laughing at it, but the French priest to Fr. P's right is still thinking what it means in French, so he's not laughing. Yet.

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Centroamerica · « **Reply #29 on:** July 17, 2014, 07:11:03 AM »

Fr. Bruno? I think we had asked about who the other Benedictine was. Where does Fr. Bruno hail from?