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Title: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
Post by: Pax Vobis on February 26, 2018, 02:56:16 PM
This past friday, February 23, 2018, the ultra-liberal 'bishop' Foys of the diocese of Covington, KY visited the sspx school/chapel of Our Lady of the Assumption.  He toured the highschool and grade school buildings, as well as the chapel and had lunch with the prior, Fr Musha, and some other school officials.  When he visited the grade-school building, grades K-7, he was greeted with catholic hyms sung by the children.

Many parents found out about this visit only the night before, and some parents kept their children home from school that day.  One parishoner told me that he texted Fr Musha and asked what was going on.  Fr told him that (paraphrasing) "Bishop Foys asked to visit and since he's our bishop, we didn't want to say no."  Fr offered to meet and discuss this event in person with the parishoner, but Fr has not responded to attempts to schedule.

This parishoner also told me that last year, when Fr Waggner was in town, that he and Fr Musha visited Bishop Foys' office and said hello.

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My opinion is that this is a test, to see what kind of 'outcry' there will be from the school and laity.  The school has over 200 children and the parish is around 400-500 people overall - a very large, and rapidly growing chapel.  I also think this is a form of pyschological war, to condition the laity to slowly accept the future reality of being under the local bishop.  I'm sure this is not an isolated incident and has happened at other chapels around the country.

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Here is a run-down of the 'greatest hits' of this ultra-liberal, Bishop Foys.
 
1) The Northern KY 'right to life' group is one of the most conservative and active groups in all of KY.  There are so many catholics in the N.Ky and Cincinnati area that this 'right to life' group often affects many political races and has done countless good.  Bishop Foys has told his diocese to cut ties with this group because they are 'not collaborative' with opposing views.

http://www.wave3.com/story/5588139/diocese-bars-area-right-to-life-group-from-churches?clienttype=printable (http://www.wave3.com/story/5588139/diocese-bars-area-right-to-life-group-from-churches?clienttype=printable)

2.  Bishop Foys denied the printing of an advertisement in the diocesan newspaper for a public rosary march in honor of Our Lady of Fatima, organized by traditionals in the area.

3.  The Covington diocese has a very active ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ community, supported by the Bishop.
Title: Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
Post by: PG on February 26, 2018, 04:16:19 PM
I agree with you.  This sounds like a test to see what the reaction is.  And, it is insulting.  Less than 24 hours of notice, and the children have to sing for him.  I looked him up on the internet and saw him promoting the satanic year of mercy logo.  
Title: Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
Post by: Mr G on February 26, 2018, 04:37:45 PM
https://www.thecatholictelegraph.com/covington-bishop-cautions-faithful-about-attending-schismatic-walton-ky-church/14778 (https://www.thecatholictelegraph.com/covington-bishop-cautions-faithful-about-attending-schismatic-walton-ky-church/14778)

The complete text of Bishop Foy’s letter is included below.
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To the Faithful of the Diocese of Covington: 

There has been established within the jurisdiction of the Diocese of Covington, specifically in Walton, Kentucky, a church whose name is Our Lady of the Assumption Church. This entity is a chapel of the Society of St. Pius X. The church and the society that sponsors it have created much confusion and misunderstanding in the Diocese of Covington. I have personally been asked many questions about both. It is therefore necessary and it falls upon me to clarify the situation for the Faithful of the Diocese of Covington so as to avoid further confusion.

The Society of St. Pius X was formed after the Second Vatican Council by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre. On 30 June 1988 he proceeded to consecrate bishops for the Society of St. Pius X against the direction of His Holiness Blessed Pope John Paul II. Archbishop Lefebvre and the four men consecrated bishops for the Society of St. Pius X were excommunicated. Our Emeritus Holy Father Benedict XVI lifted that excommunication during his pontificate. When he did so, he stated: “Doctrinal questions obviously remain and until they are clarified the Society has no canonical status in the Church and its ministers cannot legitimately exercise any ministry.” Concretely, this means the priests of the Society of St. Pius X are suspended (cf. Code of Canon Law, canon 265). Please note, the Sacraments of Penance (Confession) and Matrimony, administered by priests of the Society of St. Pius X, are invalid (cf. Code of Canon Law, canon 966 and canons 1108 and 1109). Unfortunately, some believed and some were led to believe that when the excommunication of the four bishops of the Society of St. Pius X was lifted, the Society of St. Pius X was reconciled to the Roman Catholic Church. This is not – nor has ever been – the case.

It is morally illicit (unlawful) for the Faithful to participate in Masses of the Society of St. Pius X unless they are legitimately impeded from participating in a Mass celebrated by a Catholic priest in good standing in the Church (cf. Code of Canon Law, canon 844.2). The fact of not being able to assist at the celebration of the “Tridentine” Mass is not considered a sufficient motive for attending Masses offered by priests of the Society of St. Pius X. Participation in such Masses and in the administration of the sacraments at the chapels of the Society of St. Pius X can, over a period of time, lead to a schismatic habit of thought and heart as one slowly imbibes a mentality which separates itself from the Magisterium of the Holy Roman Catholic Church. For those faithful who desire the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass according to the Extraordinary Form (“Tridentine” Mass) they will find such valid and lawful Masses celebrated at All Saints Church in Walton, KY, every Sunday at 9:15 a.m. and every First Saturday at 9:15 a.m. Masses according to the Extraordinary Form are also celebrated daily at St. Bernard Church in Dayton, KY at 6:30 a.m. and on Sundays at 8 a.m.

The doctrinal questions that remain unresolved between the Roman Catholic Church and the Society of St. Pius X are not insignificant. A special Pontifical Commission, Ecclesia Dei, under the auspices of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, continues to work toward needed resolution. Until that is achieved, the lack of full communion of the Society of St. Pius X with the Roman Catholic Church and our Holy Father the Pope continues to wound the unity with which our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ endowed His mystical body, the Church. Therefore, let us all pray for the Church that her unity may be healed for the glory of God and the salvation of souls.

Given at the Chancery of the Diocese of Covington on this the 23 Day of May in the Year of Our Lord 2013

Most Reverend Roger J. Foys, D.D.
Bishop of Covington
Title: Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
Post by: GottmitunsAlex on February 26, 2018, 05:03:12 PM
As folks have mentioned before. The deal has been sealed since way back. 
No more conditional ordinations, condemnations, knowingly and continuously proclaiming a heretic's name in the canon of the mass...
They're just trying to find the most painless ways of letting the faithful know about it.

Title: Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
Post by: Jovita on February 26, 2018, 06:10:50 PM
If I had a child/ren in that school, I would withdraw them AND my support of the chapel. 
Title: Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
Post by: Jovita on February 26, 2018, 06:19:52 PM
To Mr. G,

Havent all bishops published letters regarding 'rogue' chapels within their diocese'? 
Title: Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
Post by: Pax Vobis on February 26, 2018, 06:42:12 PM
In 2013, Bishop Foys followed the typical, Vatican gameplan against tradition.  1) Issue a statement saying that the sspx doesn't fulfill one's sunday obligation and/or is schismatic.  2) Open an indult latin mass as an alternative.

There is a lively and growing indult community in northern ky, because many novus ordo catholics are either waking up and finding tradition again, or they are finding tradition for the first time.  Unfortunately, they are embracing the indult (and the accompanying sacrilegious new mass at the same time - which is illogical) but for some, this is not their fault, since they don't know any better as they grew up with the novus ordo and have no traditional history.  Yet, many of those who attend the indult are former trads and this is a horrible, but growing reality.

The sad part of this whole story is not the indult, or millenials leaving tradition, or Bishop Foys' marxism, but the sspx's continued apathetic and wimpy response to newrome.  They continue, systematically and openly, to bow before newrome, to ignore their foundations, to compromise the Truth.  This is a sign they are surely infiltrated and must be abandoned.  
Title: Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
Post by: Last Tradhican on February 26, 2018, 06:54:18 PM
"Bishop" Foys. This is what happens when the SSPX chooses to believe that the Novus Ordo consecrations of bishops are valid, they have to take orders from what possible could be a layman who isn't even a priest, let alone a bishop.

Cowards will put up with anything as long as they are taken care of.
Title: Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
Post by: Fanny on February 26, 2018, 09:56:12 PM
Why the surprise?
It's Kentucky...
 ...backwards is forwards and up is down.
Title: Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
Post by: PG on February 26, 2018, 10:17:57 PM
Why the surprise?
It's Kentucky...
 ...backwards is forwards and up is down.
That's awfully insulting.  My favorite politicians happen to be from Kentucky.  
Title: Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
Post by: Maria Regina on February 26, 2018, 10:50:04 PM
In 2013, Bishop Foys followed the typical, Vatican gameplan against tradition.  1) Issue a statement saying that the sspx doesn't fulfill one's sunday obligation and/or is schismatic.  2) Open an indult latin mass as an alternative.

There is a lively and growing indult community in northern ky, because many novus ordo catholics are either waking up and finding tradition again, or they are finding tradition for the first time.  Unfortunately, they are embracing the indult (and the accompanying sacrilegious new mass at the same time - which is illogical) but for some, this is not their fault, since they don't know any better as they grew up with the novus ordo and have no traditional history.  Yet, many of those who attend the indult are former trads and this is a horrible, but growing reality.

The sad part of this whole story is not the indult, or millenials leaving tradition, or Bishop Foys' marxism, but the sspx's continued apathetic and wimpy response to newrome.  They continue, systematically and openly, to bow before newrome, to ignore their foundations, to compromise the Truth.  This is a sign they are surely infiltrated and must be abandoned.  
Notice below that Father Musha of SSPX has accepted Bishop Foy as "our bishop"?
Lord have mercy.

This past friday, February 23, 2018, the ultra-liberal 'bishop' Foys of the diocese of Covington, KY visited the sspx school/chapel of Our Lady of the Assumption.  He toured the highschool and grade school buildings, as well as the chapel and had lunch with the prior, Fr Musha, and some other school officials.  When he visited the grade-school building, grades K-7, he was greeted with catholic hyms sung by the children.

Many parents found out about this visit only the night before, and some parents kept their children home from school that day.  One parishoner told me that he texted Fr Musha and asked what was going on.  Fr told him that (paraphrasing) "Bishop Foys asked to visit and since he's our bishop, we didn't want to say no." Fr offered to meet and discuss this event in person with the parishoner, but Fr has not responded to attempts to schedule.

This parishoner also told me that last year, when Fr Waggner was in town, that he and Fr Musha visited Bishop Foys' office and said hello.

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My opinion is that this is a test, to see what kind of 'outcry' there will be from the school and laity.  The school has over 200 children and the parish is around 400-500 people overall - a very large, and rapidly growing chapel.  I also think this is a form of pyschological war, to condition the laity to slowly accept the future reality of being under the local bishop.  I'm sure this is not an isolated incident and has happened at other chapels around the country.

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Here is a run-down of the 'greatest hits' of this ultra-liberal, Bishop Foys.
 
1) The Northern KY 'right to life' group is one of the most conservative and active groups in all of KY.  There are so many catholics in the N.Ky and Cincinnati area that this 'right to life' group often affects many political races and has done countless good.  Bishop Foys has told his diocese to cut ties with this group because they are 'not collaborative' with opposing views.

http://www.wave3.com/story/5588139/diocese-bars-area-right-to-life-group-from-churches?clienttype=printable (http://www.wave3.com/story/5588139/diocese-bars-area-right-to-life-group-from-churches?clienttype=printable)

2.  Bishop Foys denied the printing of an advertisement in the diocesan newspaper for a public rosary march in honor of Our Lady of Fatima, organized by traditionals in the area.

3.  The Covington diocese has a very active ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ community, supported by the Bishop.

Title: Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
Post by: Pax Vobis on February 27, 2018, 09:26:11 AM
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Why the surprise?
It's Kentucky...
 ...backwards is forwards and up is down.
Fanny, I know you have a personal vendetta against Fr Pfeiffer (and it may be warranted), who's from Ky, but this has nothing to do with that.  Fr Pfeiffer is over 1.5 hrs away from N.Ky.
Title: Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
Post by: Ladislaus on February 27, 2018, 09:29:38 AM
Fr told him that (paraphrasing) "Bishop Foys asked to visit and since he's our bishop, we didn't want to say no." 

But ... is he your bishop?  Inserting his name into the canon at Mass doesn't suffice.
Title: Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
Post by: Fanny on February 27, 2018, 09:44:38 AM
My favorite politicians happen to be from Kentucky.  
Need I say More?
Title: Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
Post by: Fanny on February 27, 2018, 09:46:34 AM
Fanny, I know you have a personal vendetta against Fr Pfeiffer (and it may be warranted), who's from Ky, but this has nothing to do with that.  Fr Pfeiffer is over 1.5 hrs away from N.Ky.
Has nothing to do with fr. Pfeiffer specifically.

Just look at the yuk that comes from ky.  
Here's a recent example:
https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/fr-robinson's-new-book-'the-realist-guide-to-religion-and-science'/

It is no wonder a certain true, legitimate, exorcist won't even enter that state...
Title: Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
Post by: poche on February 28, 2018, 05:29:47 AM
This past friday, February 23, 2018, the ultra-liberal 'bishop' Foys of the diocese of Covington, KY visited the sspx school/chapel of Our Lady of the Assumption.  He toured the highschool and grade school buildings, as well as the chapel and had lunch with the prior, Fr Musha, and some other school officials.  When he visited the grade-school building, grades K-7, he was greeted with catholic hyms sung by the children.

Many parents found out about this visit only the night before, and some parents kept their children home from school that day.  One parishoner told me that he texted Fr Musha and asked what was going on.  Fr told him that (paraphrasing) "Bishop Foys asked to visit and since he's our bishop, we didn't want to say no."  Fr offered to meet and discuss this event in person with the parishoner, but Fr has not responded to attempts to schedule.

This parishoner also told me that last year, when Fr Waggner was in town, that he and Fr Musha visited Bishop Foys' office and said hello.

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My opinion is that this is a test, to see what kind of 'outcry' there will be from the school and laity.  The school has over 200 children and the parish is around 400-500 people overall - a very large, and rapidly growing chapel.  I also think this is a form of pyschological war, to condition the laity to slowly accept the future reality of being under the local bishop.  I'm sure this is not an isolated incident and has happened at other chapels around the country.

---
Here is a run-down of the 'greatest hits' of this ultra-liberal, Bishop Foys.
 
1) The Northern KY 'right to life' group is one of the most conservative and active groups in all of KY.  There are so many catholics in the N.Ky and Cincinnati area that this 'right to life' group often affects many political races and has done countless good.  Bishop Foys has told his diocese to cut ties with this group because they are 'not collaborative' with opposing views.

http://www.wave3.com/story/5588139/diocese-bars-area-right-to-life-group-from-churches?clienttype=printable (http://www.wave3.com/story/5588139/diocese-bars-area-right-to-life-group-from-churches?clienttype=printable)

2.  Bishop Foys denied the printing of an advertisement in the diocesan newspaper for a public rosary march in honor of Our Lady of Fatima, organized by traditionals in the area.

3.  The Covington diocese has a very active ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ community, supported by the Bishop.
I think this is a good sign. Where I live the SSPX  community is considered as non Catholic.
Title: Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
Post by: poche on February 28, 2018, 05:31:32 AM
I agree with you.  This sounds like a test to see what the reaction is.  And, it is insulting.  Less than 24 hours of notice, and the children have to sing for him.  I looked him up on the internet and saw him promoting the satanic year of mercy logo.  
My understanding is that they sang Catholic hymns. I think that is appropriate for school children who consider themselves Catholic.
Title: Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
Post by: Pax Vobis on February 28, 2018, 11:15:37 AM
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I think this is a good sign. Where I live the SSPX  community is considered as non Catholic.
It's a good sign if the sspx wants to be 'hip' and accepted by heretical and uneducated catholics...Otherwise, it's a sign that the sspx is caving to peer pressure and becoming worldly.
Title: Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
Post by: wallflower on February 28, 2018, 03:21:14 PM

I can understand not wanting to turn down a visitor but why not have an after hours tour? Why submit all the children and the families to the confusion and the pomp and circuмstance for someone who a) may not even be a proper bishop and b) is a hardened liberal whose company would have been forbidden in saner times?

The SSPX leaders think that if they play the game these men will convert.  :facepalm: 

(or maybe more properly, "revert". God only knows which it truly is.)

I suppose if they had had an after hours tour they'd be criticized too as if they were trying to keep it secret. So maybe they can't win. But I am okay with that. I don't think they should in this case. Leave the NO to itself, people leave it for a reason.


Title: Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
Post by: Smedley Butler on March 01, 2018, 08:44:40 AM
Has nothing to do with fr. Pfeiffer specifically.

Just look at the yuk that comes from ky.  
Here's a recent example:
https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/fr-robinson's-new-book-'the-realist-guide-to-religion-and-science'/

It is no wonder a certain true, legitimate, exorcist won't even enter that state...
Who's that?
Title: Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
Post by: Last Tradhican on March 01, 2018, 08:57:08 AM
I think this is a good sign. Where I live the SSPX  community is considered as non Catholic.
Black is white and white is black to you, since you are a typical Novus Ordo blind guide who considers the counterfeit Vatican II church to be catholic.

It is actually a good sign to be considered not part of the counterfeit Vatican II church.
Title: Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
Post by: poche on March 02, 2018, 05:06:56 AM
Black is white and white is black to you, since you are a typical Novus Ordo blind guide who considers the counterfeit Vatican II church to be catholic.

It is actually a good sign to be considered not part of the counterfeit Vatican II church.
At least this bishop wanted to know how they were doing. He might learn something. Pope Francis was also friendly to the SSPX when he was archbishop of Buenos Aires. 
Title: Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
Post by: stgobnait on March 02, 2018, 08:10:40 AM
YES! That was because the SSPX had already become Nsspx.
Title: Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
Post by: wallflower on March 02, 2018, 10:27:30 AM
At least this bishop wanted to know how they were doing. He might learn something. Pope Francis was also friendly to the SSPX when he was archbishop of Buenos Aires.

And Pope Francis learned so much, didn't he?? So converted.

Or maybe we're the ones who have learned so much ....

Aren't we calling the Latin Mass the extraordinary form now?

And having NO possibly-priests oversee our weddings?

That's where presumption gets us.
Title: Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
Post by: Last Tradhican on March 02, 2018, 10:47:45 AM
Poche is a Novus Ordo blind guide, what do you expect him to say, something intelligent?
Title: Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
Post by: poche on March 03, 2018, 11:00:54 PM
And Pope Francis learned so much, didn't he?? So converted.

Or maybe we're the ones who have learned so much ....

Aren't we calling the Latin Mass the extraordinary form now?

And having NO possibly-priests oversee our weddings?

That's where presumption gets us.
It is not required to have a NO priest officiate at your wedding if you live in a parish which is run by a community that is dedicated to the TLM, the FSSP for example,
Title: Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
Post by: Incredulous on March 04, 2018, 04:17:26 PM
At least this bishop wanted to know how they were doing. He might learn something. Pope Francis was also friendly to the SSPX when he was archbishop of Buenos Aires.
Poche,

I'm sorry to see you persevering in acting as the clown...
(https://villagevoice.freetls.fastly.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/136598_main.jpg)
      neo-trad watchdog, of the Revolution.

Title: Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
Post by: Fanny on March 04, 2018, 04:48:07 PM
It is not required to have a NO priest officiate at your wedding if you live in a parish which is run by a community that is dedicated to the TLM, the FSSP for example,
1. Fssp seminary teaches the NO ordinary mass in their seminaries as well as the TLM extraordinary mass.  They must accept the NO mass as legitimate.  
2. An FSSP priest may have been ordained NO and jumped over to TLM.  No guarantee your FSSP priest was originally ordained in the old rite.
3. TLM is not equivalent to the tridentine mass.  Many traditionalists assume this to be true, but it is absolutely not.
4.  Now I understand your support of a NO "bishop" visiting an SSPX school.
Title: Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
Post by: Merry on March 04, 2018, 08:44:27 PM
So where are you from Fanny?  Who else don't you like in Kentucky?  
Title: Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
Post by: Maria Auxiliadora on March 04, 2018, 10:46:49 PM
1. Fssp seminary teaches the NO ordinary mass in their seminaries as well as the TLM extraordinary mass.  They must accept the NO mass as legitimate.  
2. An FSSP priest may have been ordained NO and jumped over to TLM.  No guarantee your FSSP priest was originally ordained in the old rite.
3. TLM is not equivalent to the tridentine mass.  Many traditionalists assume this to be true, but it is absolutely not.
4.  Now I understand your support of a NO "bishop" visiting an SSPX school.

Now, since the FSSP and other indult communities have given up the Ecclesiastical Traditions by accepting  to be regulated by Summorum Pontificuм, they have proudly accepted from the Ecclesia Dei Commission an "Ad Experimentum" 3 years indult to offer the pre Bugnini Holy Week Ceremonies except, they have to use the 2007 BXVI Good Friday Prayer for the Conversion of the Jєωs. Each community has to request independently, 25+ FSSP chapels and some Benedictines in France have requested it so far. The list is growing. Secretum Meum Mihi blog has updates.

They owe their beloved indult not to the Modernists or to their own efforts but to Catholics who have fought for our Traditions for the last 50 years and to ABL who preserved the priesthood at the price of "excommunication", but they will never admit that.

They are too ignorant to realize the harm they do to the Church by accepting this indult. By accepting it they are helping Francis in (trying to) reduce the Ecclesiastical Traditions to an INDULT. What are the Ecclesiastical Traditions to them anyway? Except a mean to appear more "traditional" and perhaps emptying some SSPX or traditional independent chapels' pews if convenient for some who drive a long distance while literally bending the knee to the Jєωs either in the 1962 rubrics or in this indult. Little they know that if it were not for independent chapels (and old SSPX) their indult would have disappeared. They have become an useful tool for the Modernists.




Source below: Gloria TV and Secretum Meum Mihi
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Blowoff, Vatican Allows Easter Rites Prior to the Reform of Pius XII (https://gloria.tv/article/UTFnHV9DiShv2RzpAJr2Z7Adk)

The Priestly Fraternity of St Peter has been granted an indult by the Vatican Commission Ecclesia Dei to use the liturgical books for Holy Week as they were until the [failed] reform of Pius XII (+1958). The indult is granted ad experimentum for three years.
 
 The information was published in several of the Fraternity’s US-parish bulletins. Each church of the Fraternity has to request permission from the superiors before taking advantage of the indult. According to rumours, 25 parishes have been granted permission so far.
 
 However, on Good Friday, the prayer for the Jєωs published by Pope Benedict XVI must be used.


 (https://gloria.tv/article/UTFnHV9DiShv2RzpAJr2Z7Adk) (https://gloria.tv/article/UTFnHV9DiShv2RzpAJr2Z7Adk)
Title: Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
Post by: Last Tradhican on March 05, 2018, 12:36:12 AM

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The Priestly Fraternity of St Peter has been granted an indult by the Vatican Commission Ecclesia Dei to use the liturgical books for Holy Week as they were until the [failed] reform of Pius XII (+1958 )
That is strange, what is the purpose? The reform of Holy week began in 1955, this means there is no difference between 1962 and 1958, they've been granted nothing.
Title: Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
Post by: Last Tradhican on March 05, 2018, 12:43:17 AM
Now, since the FSSP and other indult communities have given up the Ecclesiastical Traditions by accepting  to be regulated by Summorum Pontificuм, they have proudly accepted from the Ecclesia Dei Commission an "Ad Experimentum" 3 years indult to offer the pre Bugnini Holy Week Ceremonies except, they have to use the 2007 BXVI Good Friday Prayer for the Conversion of the Jєωs. Each community has to request independently, 25+ FSSP chapels and some Benedictines in France have requested it so far. The list is growing. Secretum Meum Mihi blog has updates.

They owe their beloved indult not to the Modernists or to their own efforts but to Catholics who have fought for our Traditions for the last 50 years and to ABL who preserved the priesthood at the price of "excommunication", but they will never admit that.

They are too ignorant to realize the harm they do to the Church by accepting this indult. By accepting it they are helping Francis in (trying to) reduce the Ecclesiastical Traditions to an INDULT. What are the Ecclesiastical Traditions to them anyway? Except a mean to appear more "traditional" and perhaps emptying some SSPX or traditional independent chapels' pews if convenient for some who drive a long distance while literally bending the knee to the Jєωs either in the 1962 rubrics or in this indult. Little they know that if it were not for independent chapels (and old SSPX) their indult would have disappeared. They have become an useful tool for the Modernists.




Source below: Gloria TV and Secretum Meum Mihi

 (https://gloria.tv/article/UTFnHV9DiShv2RzpAJr2Z7Adk) (https://gloria.tv/article/UTFnHV9DiShv2RzpAJr2Z7Adk)
Maria Auxiliardora, this is very interesting, can you repost ALL your material as a new thread. This is really odd, being as the Holy Week changes of Pius XII occurred in 1955.
Title: Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
Post by: Neil Obstat on March 05, 2018, 12:50:47 AM
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FWIW when the local bishop in Orange County tried to sneak incognito into OLHC in Garden Grove during a Mass, dressed as a layman, someone recognized him and quietly informed Msgr. Perez about his presence in the chapel. Monsignor got the school children to line up and approach the bishop, genuflecting and kissing his ring in turn.
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It's a traditional practice that isn't used much anymore in Newchurch, and the bishop was alert to the conspicuous honor he received.
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Title: Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
Post by: poche on March 05, 2018, 02:11:21 AM
1. Fssp seminary teaches the NO ordinary mass in their seminaries as well as the TLM extraordinary mass.  They must accept the NO mass as legitimate.  
2. An FSSP priest may have been ordained NO and jumped over to TLM.  No guarantee your FSSP priest was originally ordained in the old rite.
3. TLM is not equivalent to the tridentine mass.  Many traditionalists assume this to be true, but it is absolutely not.
4.  Now I understand your support of a NO "bishop" visiting an SSPX school.
My understanding is that if a priest of the Novus Ordo wants to come over to the SSPX then he doesn't have to be ordained all over again and that this has been the long standing policy of the SSPX.  
Title: Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
Post by: Fanny on March 05, 2018, 08:23:34 AM
Now, since the FSSP and other indult communities have given up the Ecclesiastical Traditions by accepting  to be regulated by Summorum Pontificuм, they have proudly accepted from the Ecclesia Dei Commission an "Ad Experimentum" 3 years indult to offer the pre Bugnini Holy Week Ceremonies except, they have to use the 2007 BXVI Good Friday Prayer for the Conversion of the Jєωs. Each community has to request independently, 25+ FSSP chapels and some Benedictines in France have requested it so far. The list is growing. Secretum Meum Mihi blog has updates.

They owe their beloved indult not to the Modernists or to their own efforts but to Catholics who have fought for our Traditions for the last 50 years and to ABL who preserved the priesthood at the price of "excommunication", but they will never admit that.

They are too ignorant to realize the harm they do to the Church by accepting this indult. By accepting it they are helping Francis in (trying to) reduce the Ecclesiastical Traditions to an INDULT. What are the Ecclesiastical Traditions to them anyway? Except a mean to appear more "traditional" and perhaps emptying some SSPX or traditional independent chapels' pews if convenient for some who drive a long distance while literally bending the knee to the Jєωs either in the 1962 rubrics or in this indult. Little they know that if it were not for independent chapels (and old SSPX) their indult would have disappeared. They have become an useful tool for the Modernists.




Source below: Gloria TV and Secretum Meum Mihi

 (https://gloria.tv/article/UTFnHV9DiShv2RzpAJr2Z7Adk) (https://gloria.tv/article/UTFnHV9DiShv2RzpAJr2Z7Adk)
You are right, except the FSSP founders know they should thank their existence to ABL.
One visit to one FSSP mass and you can sense the Catholic-on-sunday-only attitudes.  One visit.
It is becoming that way at my local sspx:  Holier than thou at mass but heathens during the week.
A Catholic should wear his Faith on his sleeve.